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Central premise = fatally flawed plot hole


The central premise of the film ‘Limitless’ (2011) and its source novel ‘The Dark Fields’ (2001) is fatally flawed, since it is predicated on an urban legend. When Vernon introduces Eddie Morra to the NZT48 drug MacGuffin, he perpetuates the old “We only use 10% of our brain” myth (though doubling it to 20%), and Eddie fails to challenge him. Since that myth is false, it’s also false that 30 seconds after taking a ‘miracle pill’ anybody could become hyper-intelligent and memory-perfect.

The old “We only use 10% of our brain” myth has been extensively debunked [1] by, for instance:

• Neuroscientist Barry Beyerstein in "Whence Cometh the Myth that We Only Use 10% of our Brains?", in Prof. Sergio Della Sala's ‘Mind Myths: Exploring Popular Assumptions About the Mind and Brain’, 1999
» http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Myths-Exploring-Popular-Assumptions/dp/04 71983039

• Psychologist Benjamin Radford, Managing Editor of the ‘Skeptical Inquirer’, at Snopes.com, 2007
» http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

• Professor of Human Cognitive Neuroscience Sergio Della Sala in ‘Tall Tales about the Mind & Brain’, Xmas lecture in Edinburgh, 2008
— 'We only use 10% of our brain' myth debunked from 23:00 to 41:30
» video, 57:07 – http://www.ed.ac.uk/news/all-news/dalyell-prize

• Mythbusters Grant Imahara, Kari Byron, and Tory Belleci, in ‘MythBusters’ Episode 151, 2010
» http://mythbustersresults.com/tablecloth-chaos

Even with the willing suspension of disbelief in primary physiological/psychological truths, the films still fails – because as many authentically intelligent reviewers and board posters have pointed out, the writers just weren’t up to the task of writing a convincing hyper-intelligent memory-perfect protagonist, let alone a likeable one.

The only level on which the film works is as an allegorical and satirical fable on the dreadful state of C21 American society – desperate for the 30 second quick fix solution in pill form, addicted to vulgar materialism and “I'm all right, Jack” narcissistic egoism, obsessed with recreational sex, and mired in dog-eat-dog casino capitalism where businessmen are morally equivalent to drug dealers, all ruled over by the plutocracy of Big Capital. I guess you’re getting dealt the kind of decadent films you deserve.

dalinian

[1] The 'We only use 10% of our brain' myth has been extensively debunked – for instance:

• Studies of brain damage: If 90% of the brain is normally unused, then damage to these areas should not impair performance. Instead, there is almost no area of the brain that can be damaged without loss of abilities. Even slight damage to small areas of the brain can have profound effects.

• Evolution: The brain is enormously costly to the rest of the body, in terms of oxygen and nutrient consumption. It can require up to twenty percent of the body's energy – more than any other organ – despite making up only 2% of the human body by weight. If 90% of it were unnecessary, there would be a large survival advantage to humans with smaller, more efficient brains. If this were true, the process of natural selection would have eliminated the inefficient brains. By the same token, it is also highly unlikely that a brain with so much redundant matter would have evolved in the first place.

• Brain imaging: Technologies such as Positron Emission Tomography (PET) and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) allow the activity of the living brain to be monitored. They reveal that even during sleep, all parts of the brain show some level of activity. Only in the case of serious damage does a brain have "silent" areas.

• Localization of function: Rather than acting as a single mass, the brain has distinct regions for different kinds of information processing. Decades of research have gone into mapping functions onto areas of the brain, and no function-less areas have been found.

• Microstructural analysis: In the single-unit recording technique, researchers insert a tiny electrode into the brain to monitor the activity of a single cell. If 90% of cells were unused, then this technique would have revealed that.

• Metabolic studies: Another scientific technique involves studying the take-up of radioactively labelled 2-deoxyglucose molecules by the brain. If 90 percent of the brain were inactive, then those inactive cells would show up as blank areas in a radiograph of the brain. Again, there is no such result.

• Neural disease: Brain cells that are not used have a tendency to degenerate. Hence if 90% of the brain were inactive, autopsy of adult brains would reveal large-scale degeneration.

~ Neuroscientist Barry Beyerstein, quoted in ‘10% of brain myth’, Wikipedia
» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth

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I speak to people every day who can not possibly be using even 10% of their brains.

"I'm with the Government and I'm here to help you." me, every d@mn day of my life

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You are really good at copy and pasting OP

And then Jesus went up to Moses and was all like "Waddup Dawg"

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Haven't you thought that the "We only use 20% of our brain" line was said by the dealer just as a selling trick?

"I've got an astral goat named Herbie, she's faster than most but she's getting old."

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Yes sure, the seller dosent need to know the details of the product.
But he still isnt acting consistent though. He put himself in danger yet he is smart enough to stop smoking, but still drinks. Forget things like paying his load shark.
He has a limited supply yet he use way more than he need. Also not to mention he keeps taking a drug thats not tested and instead of using his money and intellect to do animal trails making it safe and things he use his money for designer clothes.

Anothing thing that seems weird to me is the thing in the water, hes like - I know what i wanna do but need money to do it.

It just seemed like he had bigger plans than wall street like i dont know cure different kinds of cancer or finding the Higgs boson, getting humans to another to another star, you know things smart people in general finds enjoyable.
Even if hes a massive egoist thats what he would do, find the Higgs boson and you would get the nobel price. That looks good on any ones shelf.
To me it seemed like the stock market was just to get cash only half way in i got that was his entire plan. In the grand scheme of things thats small potatoes.

I still enjoyed it though but it was a little inconsistent.

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I agree that the 10% comment/premise did throw me off as well, but sometimes to enjoy movies, you have to suspend belief or over-thinking and just enjoy the rest, which is what we did and we did enjoy it very much. It might have been better had they just said you only can rememember or organize less then 10% of your thoughts and memories and this drug changes that, making all of the connections work flawlessly so your brain becomes a super computer. Many of the best movies ever made have had plot holes or things like this, that does not make them bad movies. I don't think the writers or directors always think in terms of they same way people on here analyze movies, maybe they should, but it is a fact of life. What would your opinion of the whole movie be if that 10% part had been done differently and more believable?

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They didn't have to use that myth to have the premise of this movie. The basic question is "What if you could be the most intelligent you could become at any given time?" if that myth had never propogated, this movie would still have been made, because the question is essentially the same.

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You need to put more brainpower and less words into your analysis.

The only person in the movie who said the 20% line was the dealer. The same guy who mentioned he was lying about it being FDA approved. He was saying anything just to get another guy hooked on his dope.

Never in the movie is it explained how this drug works.

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I must first begin by stating that I was originally hesitant upon hearing Vernon's claim that a human uses only 20% of one's brain. However, one must remember that he was not a scientist, but a dealer; why is he expected to have all the answers?

A few minutes later, when Eddie was chatting with his landlord's wife/girlfriend, I recalled something I read in a book about regressive hypnosis. When in an hypnotic trance, one's memory becomes heightened to the point that one can recollect a page-worth of foreign text that they happened to glance at once many years prior. Whether or not there is truth in this, I haven't the foggiest idea nor the desire to search out any further information, partly because I am a fallibilist and therefore don't believe anything (something which makes movie watching quite enjoyable), and partly because, even if I were not a fallibilist, I wouldn't believe some imbecile with a computer over the writer of the aforementioned book.

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From the looks of this thread (as well as the 99 others on the same subject), you can tell the suckers who would have bought into Vernon's hustle.

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its a film. sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

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