Similar happened with John Boyega in The Force Awakens
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10133011/Black-British-actress-removed-poster-new-Dune-movie-China.html
good
shareLul, that's China for ya. I think the Chinese over there consider them to be unwashed filth and inferior.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/18/covid-blackface-tv-chinas-racism-problem-runs-deep
China's usual excuse is "those who “make a fuss” about it “obviously have ulterior motives.” and will blame the West.
In CCTV's 2018 Lunar New Year gala, a skit intended to showcase the Chinese government’s friendship with African countries and China’s investment in Africa featured a Chinese actress in blackface with an exaggerated fake posterior and a basket of fruit on her head, reciting lines like, “China has done so much for Africa” and “I love Chinese people! I love China!” Accompanying her was an actor from Ivory Coast dressed in a monkey costume.
In the end, good on China, why? Because African communities can't really do anything about it and African nations don't seem to really care as they'll still deal with China because they bring the dough. They may raise complaints but that's about it hence why it continues. Probably Hollywood's way of affirming they love catering to racism if it brings the profits of the Chinese market, KEK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ehjt-ZH_o
Pretty much, without China, Africa would just be trash so PRAISE BE CHINA! Is how the Chinese see it. They're just proving a point that Africans are shooting themselves in the foot yet again after colonialism by doing business with China to get colonized/used once more. Oh wells.
Yeah, that is why Chinese people watch NBA, because there is no black people in it.
People like you know nothing about China, brainwashed by mainstream media, pretend to be smart and in turn tries to brainwash everyone else.
The poster is designed by Warner Bros, it is most likely their prejudice projected on Chinese people, the kind of ignorance similar to yours. Or another plausible scenario is that in China you don't have to be PC anymore, in the west you have to show diversity on posters.
Do you know how racist you have to be to think all Chinese are racists? The media does not even have to try hard, just point to a direction and racists like you are so eagerly jumping to that conclusion.
Talk about calling the kettle black.
CCP should hire you, you fit right in as their wumao. Dare you to criticize them while living there and see how you get with your social credit score.
Warner Bros adheres to the conditions set by the China Film Administration (CFA) under the Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) which dictates whether, when, and how a movie gets released. I bet you'll blame Paramount next for removing the Taiwan flag on Maverick's jacket most likely due to their prejudice projected on Chinese people. China never had to be PC, period, that don't mean they're behind the times with the stereotypes.
When did I claim ALL Chinese are racists? Someone needs to stop projecting.
Read up on history and what it takes to get into the Chinese market for foreign films.
To be fair though, they probably thought Zendaya is half-black but there was a lack of Chinese representation so instead they took one non-relevant character and replaced it with another more relevant one which was the Chinese actor Chen Chang (Taiwanese).
You are a racist, that much is clear. From your description of Zendaya, a disgusting one at that.
You don't even have the guts to own it.
Now we are done, because you are just repulsive.
You're disgusted that she's black? What? Whose the racist now? Wtf are you even talking about? You lack any form of coherence. You're right, we are done here wumao.
shareSource: https://moviechat.org/tt1160419/Dune-Part-One/61787399609a482a593ee6df/Chani-is-unwashed-Sex-scene-in-pt-2-Yuck?reply=61789bd8609a482a593ee98c
“Just trying to imagine Zendaya unwashed and smelly as she takes off her Fremen diaper suit, revealing a large unshaven bush before him, lol. Would be such a boner killer probably.”
Your words, not mine. Like I said you don't have the guts to own it. You can't even face yourself, can you?
“Just trying to imagine Zendaya unwashed and smelly as she takes off her Fremen diaper suit, revealing a large unshaven bush before him, lol. Would be such a boner killer probably.”
Really? Are you dumb? That had NOTHING to do with her race or appearance or anything of sorts. And you totally took out of the context of fremen life with 0 showers and washing ...
Your buddy, I take it?
shareWTF is a woman?
Oh, never mind ...
Wumao:
50 Cent Party, 50 Cent Army and wumao (/ˈwuːmaʊ/) are terms for Internet commentators who are hired by the authorities of the People's Republic of China to manipulate public opinion and disseminate disinformation to the benefit of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP).[1][2][3][4][5] It was created during the early phases of the Internet's rollout to the wider public in China.
Interesting ... I'd like to know how to research this international trolling. We know it gets done, right under our noses, but who are the players, and what are their motives and intentions ... and especially methods?
shareAn ex girlfriend (american) used to call me racist for painting the gypsies in my country in a not too positive light (and it doesn't matter how much data I presented to support my position - these days if you call a cannibal a cannibal you are the racist).
And one day we were in Barcelona, having dinner at a street restaurant. My phone on the table. A gipsy approached our table to ask for money (and funny, he was from my country so when I told him to fuck off in our language he quickly took off) but the interesting thing was that she said "quickly, take your phone of the table before he steals it". I was looking at her like "WTF did you just say????"
Good to hear from the resident pro-China defender on MC.
Is your contention that Chinese in China are not racist?
I'm interested in your opinion as to whether the Chinese are more, less or about the same level of racism as Americans?
I've known a lot of Chinese people very well, and I've heard a lot of overt racism against blacks. Actually maybe the same or more than I have heard from white people who, well at least the white people I know do not much express any more and have at least in urban CA, USA accepted multiculturalism.
What I hear is that China is very racially monolithic, and that the Han Chinese are more or less colonizing everywhere and the dominant race. Taking over Tibet, which was occupied by military force.
You are critical, and have been critical many times that I have noticed of Americans in your opinion being racist against China. But you do not much really speak out to explain - you quietly whine about it, but do not express your opinion. Now's your chance.
From what I understand racism is never really an issue or even a topic in China because China has never been multicultural. The perceived racism against black people I think mostly have 2 sources:
1) Asians in general perceive fair skin as beauty. That is hardly Chinese, most Asian countries are like that. So of course dark skin of black people are not considered attractive in general. But I am sure girls look like Beyonce will still do well in Asia.
2) Culture influence from US sports, movies and TV shows, black people are perceived as athletic but not well educated. Again that kind of perceptions are common in most Asian countries. But in Asian countries education is considered to be utmost importance, not athleticism. That again is not working in favors of Africans, at least in Asia.
I never said Americans in general are racist. Please point to any post I made saying that, maybe I am not being self aware.
But in US it seems racism is a serious, even dominant, social issue. Racists in people are kind of elevated unlike in most Asian countries. There are probably just as many racists in Asian countries of course, but the symptoms of it rarely have a chance to show.
> From what I understand racism is never really an issue or even a topic in China because China has never been multicultural.
OMG that sounds so overly simplistic I would be tempted to the use the term "weasel words" because there are minorities in China, true - or not.
I did not mean to suggest that you are racist, except in the sense that I perceive you are a grand apologist and denier of Chinese racism, which you claim is non-existent.
I agree that it is probably important to understand and analyze the different modes of what racism is in different cultures.
American racism
Eastern European Racism
Chinese Racism
Japanese Racism
South American
Saudi Arabian
It is a tool employed to denigrate or dominate a group by a society - to make them the other in order to dehumanize them.
I admit it is a big problem in the US, but mostly in certain areas and niches.
The minorities are of ethnic groups, not race.
I heard there are discriminations against the Irish in UK, but we don't call it racism.
That is a dodge, a quibble, weasel words again.
But, OK, I get your point.
Is there a major difference if it ends up impacting the civil rights of those groups?
Is that a belief in China that since most of East Asian is ??? Asiatic race, but many ethnic groups that their natural scope of the Chinese empire is all of Asia where light or dark or whatever ethnic group should be under one monolithic government?
In China from what I understand minorities have "affirmative action" style government policies to support them. For example in Tibet, Tibetan natives, which accounts about 2% of Tibet population, have preference in schools and government welfare, etc.
But other than that how can you even tell? You see they look exactly the same as everyone else.
Han Chinese are very distinctive, very white skinned for the most part. Hell, I'm an American and more often than not I can guess an Asian person's country of origin when I meet them. The biggest confusion to that is that in all the Southeast Asian countries there is so much Chinese economic and population encroachment that the indigenous population, like the Native Americans here, have been sidelined in their own country ... and the Chinese companies in China preferentially do business their Chinese in say Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, though those countries resist it as best they can.
Again, I think you are not being honest in answers here. So, you say, "China, from what I understand" ... does that mean you do not have firsthand knowledge of China? So, the posts I've read of yours is mostly in defending your feeling that Chinese are being treated unfairly ... but how confident are you that this is not your own personal bias then?
I am Chinese ethnically, but I am Australian. I have been to China a lot, and took an interest in my heritage, so my knowledge of China is better than most foreigners.
Let's just say your perception of China is based on decades of mainstream media brainwashing and lies. If you want to know China then go over there and have a look. It is really not that hard.
Minorities in China are nothing like American natives in US, or aboriginals in Australia, how should I say it, it is just nothing alike. In China minorities by and large are no that different from everyone else.
> Let's just say your perception of China is based on decades of mainstream media brainwashing and lies.
I asked about your experience and did not tell you what it was.
Why do you think you can tell me what experiences I have had and what brainwashing it has done to me? So, no, let's not just say that. Let's not just offhandedly dismiss my point of view - and use that as reason to dodge my questions.
Because you demonstrated western pedestrian understanding of China, which is generally created by the media. The way I see it you can't be that ignorant if you have any real experience about China.
shareYou call it "western pedestrian understanding of China", I call it we have to start somewhere to have a discussion ... at least unless it all going to be propaganda and bullshit.
OK, I see my style of listening to you and sorting out what I think about it, superior to your assuming that I know nothing and my thoughts should be dismissed - because perhaps maybe the way I said something tweaked your emotions.
You basically dismissed me entirely as a way to avoid answering my questions.
I answered your question, fully, I might add. So far you did not even present an argument, of any kind. You just do the “propaganda and bullshit” routine, which is quite common when people have nothing to say, but refuse to concede.
shareRight ... I am not arguing i am trying to listen to you for your opinion on any real justification of the behavior of the CCP. So far all you are doing is accusing me of having other imaginary people's opinion and replying back is dismissive ways.
I just discovered this and was reading about it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-50-cent-party-2014-10?IR=T
The Chinese government doesn't just censor its internet. It also pays people to leave fake comments that make the country and its communist regime look good.
Ah, I just had an discussion about free speech, you can have a look: https://moviechat.org/tt9376612/Shang-Chi-and-the-Legend-of-the-Ten-Rings/613667c613bafc20e87bb36d/Very-bizarre-media-push?reply=613f09dd8d946145f5bf5804
share> Any comment?
So, I guess you cannot comment.
I just don't want to waste my time repeating myself. So I ask you the same thing. Do you have any comments on what I wrote about free speech in the other thread?
shareNot going to comment on another thread. Very dishonest of you to play that game. You can cut and paste here if you like.
shareOK.
Following is about it:
"Free expression" is a great topic. What is "free expression"? If you think a little deeper you will find it has nothing to do with you. Because none can hear you without a corporate platform, so it is really something for the corporate media. To allow them control our thoughts.
You can say I have a social media account and millions of followers. I am not corporate media and I will have my say. Well, Trump thought that too, I think you know what happened. If the president of united states can not escape corporate censorship, who has free expression?
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I think we already discussed this. "Free speech" is not for you or any individual. The more you fight for the right of free speech the more power you are going to give corporate media.
You are picking the wrong fight, it is actually their fight. But I think people are programmed too well to think outside of that.
If you want to fight for free speech for you. You should fight for the social media platforms to be regulated, like they have no right to censor you and me. If there has to be censorship then there has to be a law on what could be censored, censorship should be decided by courts, not by corporate elites.
So are you willing to fight for a censorship law? Does that sound more and more like China?
Now I think you can understand why corporate media hate China. When they say China has no protection for free speech, I think the censorship law is what they meant. Like I said before it's really their fight.
They are fighting for the right to lie to us and the right to censor us. That is what "Free speech" is and why "Free speech" and "Meida freedom" are so important to them.
The margins are getting very thing here, but I don't really how you can say Free Speech has nothing to do with you.
For two reasons. First you do not qualify who "you" is. And second freedom means freedom of a person, and a person is a you.
So, first question is, if you are going to try to write an essay about freedom of speech why start with confusion. If you have a thesis - make it clear and simple.
It's like my English prof. told me in college about writing an essay. It has a form. First you tell'em what you're gonna tell'em, then you tell'em, then you tell'em what you told'em.
Second, I disagree this is about the corporate media. The media is infrastructure, and as such the government sets the rules on the commons - like it is private how you can have a toll road, but if you put a toll on free speech, that is not free. The people who own the media and use it to control people for let's say both countries, China and US want a result.
Free speech is not just the ability to mutter to yourself. You have to have the right to speak out to a target audience and the right to be heard. I hear nothing of that in what you said.
Your casting of the President as someone who was muffled is totally incorrect. He was put off private platforms for consistently for years breaking their terms of service. That is a misrepresentation, basically a propaganda lie - but I don't really understand for what point you did it.
> The more you fight for the right of free speech the more power you are going to give corporate media.
There is no basis to say this and no evidence for it. It is a meaningless statement.
> If you want to fight for free speech for you. You should fight for the social media platforms to be regulated, like they have no right to censor you and me.
Every freedom much some with regulation - that does not mean they have no right to regulate it. If I am speaking to a public group, someone should not have the right to walk up with
loudspeaker and start making noise to interrupt my speech.
I can go on taking apart every point you made, but the better point would be for you to start by clearly defining what you think free speech is, or if you cannot perfectly define it, make a stab and it and work towards refining the definition.
It is very complicated today because since corporations and some countries and powerful people and groups can develop technology or use force to oppress people and destroy their right of free speech.
And you did all of that jumbled logic to defend China's censoring the Internet and hauling people off to prison.
I have to say, if that is what you are defending, I would really resent you if I were an Australian as you say you are, and you have beliefs that are inimical to my country and culture.
> They are fighting for the right to lie to us and the right to censor us.
Who is they. Your prose here is all over the place and very confusing. Please try again and be more clear. Don't try to bite off so much in on try - narrow down to what you think is most important.
Oh, in your opinion and what is the effect on Chinese free speech when they have speech propaganda soldiers being paid to push Chinese political agenda items without any indication that this message came from the government?
In the end denial is still the only thing you have, while corporate media is lying at will, day in and day out. Any attempts to stop it would be infringement on free speech and media freedom.
Like the topic of this thread, it is a lie have been proven false: https://moviechat.org/tt1160419/Dune-Part-One/617b1f6e53678f08aa9fc7be/Daily-Mail-takes-down-story-about-black-British-actress-removed-from-poster-in-China-after-it-was-proven-false
Now you are just relying on being shameless, which I can't say I am surprised.
It's been like 2 minutes ... I am sure you did not take the time to read and cooly listen to what I said before you just shot back an insult.
You say the corporate media is lying, which is such an overly broad comment it means nothing.
Oh, I only read the story because it's been reported on all over the world that China censors it people, puts them in jail, disappears them in some cases, threatens to invade their country, makes up its own business rules - as in forcing foreign companies to have Chinese partners.
I will refrain from calling you names, but your very comments are so insulting to my intelligence ... it's hard for me to believe you even know what you are saying, let alone that you mean it and it fits into some kind of logical framework in your view of life?
Did Chinese watch the NBA before that huge hulking Chinese player joined?
Yao Ming ... Jeremy Lin ... Sun Mingling
You see, Americans, as you will notice, admit to racism, and most think it is backward and wrong ... but Chinese seem to be in denial, and in fact seem to deny any criticism anyone levels at them, and further repress their own people. So ... maybe aside from racism, maybe there is something not very healthy and positive in the Chinese character as it expresses itself politically in its government and the world? Would you at least admit to that, and maybe give us an idea if you think that might change any time in the next 100 years?
In fact this subject should be a fulcrum to push American Conservatives to look carefully at themselves and if they criticize China maybe explain the difference between Chinese racism and American Conservative racism?
Like I said above, in most Asian countries you might be racist but you don't have that much a chance to show it, since everybody you meet is of the same race.
shareSo, maybe it shows in different ways, like a need to show the world that the Chinese are superior to make up for historic past.
Maybe you have no idea or insight, but why do you think with China being so huge, and already colonized over its own borders in Manchuria and Tibet ... why does China threaten Taiwan - very forceful, and even Japan?
Will anything make China happy and able to live with itself without regimenting and repressive its own people and others?
I think you read too much mainstream media reports about China. Most if not all of them showing China in negative lights, if not outright lies, day in and day out. That is brainwashing.
Remember China is a socialist country and almost all of these reports are from the media owned by billionaires. Think why they badmouth China.
> Remember China is a socialist country
I don't agree with that. I'd say that China is an relatively benevolent fascist authoritarian state that has outward designs on external lands and resources that it is only now beginning to support in threatening and belligerent military ways. You seem to imply that you do not think that China has a billionaire economic elite that has inordinate influence in the way its government is run ... like Putin's billionaire pals. The US is not quite to that point yet, but I think to the extent it is moving in that direction is a very bad omen.
It is not my imagination that China is seeking to take control of the South China Sea - even though there are plenty of other countries that use those waters for trade. Probably that is the reason they put so much emphasis on Taiwan - because then it gives them an excuse to extend their borders out into the ocean.
Do you not see that as a military maneuver? I could understand Russia moving into the Crimea, because Russia has very little other choice due to its lack of warm water ports, but China has hundreds or thousands of miles of coastline and plenty of ports.
It is kind of funny even. In US the left says China is far right and why it is evil. The right says China is far left communist and that is why it is evil. The only thing agreed is that China is evil. The mainstream media has been doing an excellent job in brainwashing you.
So I take it you are a liberal? You heard of news of China cracking down on tech billionaires recently, right? How could that be if China is "billionaire economic elite that has inordinate influence in the way its government is run"?
Anyway, let's get the truth out of way, since it is uncontroversial. If you read mostly mainstream western news then you probably think all the problem arise due to China abruptly and unreasonably released "The 9 dash line" in South China Sea. That is how the lie started. "The 9 dash line" was actually from "Republic of China", the currently Taiwanese government, surprising, isn't it?
"The 9 dash line" is actually from the "The 11 dash line" released by "Republic of China" government even before the current Chinese government even existed, and larger in scope. It was too close to Vietnam, so the current Chinese government removed 2 dashes and formed the current 9 dash line. Anything less than that Taiwanese government would accuse China of selling out of the country.
Of course that never really was an issue, because China never really enforced it and have worked with Asian countries to establish a code of conducts and jointly develop resources in it.
But US definitely is not going to let that happen, the only real problems now are the tensions created by US military involvement. US navy presence I think is not so much to intimidate China, because they know that is not enough. I think more to do with intimidating the other Asian countries in the region, to keep them in line. Of course the news is never going to say something like that.
> The only thing agreed is that China is evil.
So, logically them, it is possible that whatever evil means in this context is not being described well or justified well by what you hear in the mainstream chat rooms by either side.
I said China was [evil] if you want to use that term, because it is an undemocratic repressive dictatorship. Why do you go reference some voices you may have heard in chat, or read in the media, to replace what I just said clearly to you?
You don't know what I might see in China that seems evil to me, so then do not assume I think all of China's policies are bad or evil. Your logical and your statements are really simplistic. I'd appreciate it if you would stop that and think - about what I say. If you don't get it - ask a fucking question instead of assuming.
I never heard of the 9-dash line, so if you care to give me your take on take I'd be happy to listen, but do not expect me to accept it as gospel and not research it a bit if you do. Because your past interactions with me in this chat are not inducing a lot of trust in what you say.
I am hardly an expert in the South China Sea - happy to listen to another point of view, but the Philippine and Japan and I am sure Taiwan are being terrorized by China. What do you think is the overriding need for that? Answer please and please be clear.
> the only real problems now are the tensions created by US military involvement. US navy presence I think is not so much to intimidate China, because they know that is not enough. I think more to do with intimidating the other Asian countries in the region, to keep them in line.
Your view seems to be the these other Asian countries are puppets of the US? Is that fair to say? I have a lot of Burmese friends from the north of Myanmar who talk about how China is building highways into their country and taking resources out. China is very economically expansionist. I don't say that to equate it to evil - because the US is too - I say that to model the situation clearly and fairly. In the past if China did not like Imperialism and exploitation - was it because they did not think it was right, or because they were not the super-powers of the day and were the victims of it?
Should China be showing the world they are the mother of all imperialist powers for reason of pride, or is national pride something whose time should be past?
If you never heard of "The 9 dash line" and insist you have valid opinions about South China Sea, even used the words like "I am sure" then you are a lot more ignorant than I thought.
"Your view seems to be the these other Asian countries are puppets of the US? Is that fair to say?"
Let me give you an example of Malaysia. Remember Najib, one of the previous prime ministers of Malaysia. He was one of the biggest supporters of China's BRI initiative, he was removed because of 1MDB scandal as results of investigation of "Wall street journal", an American publication.
Mahathir Mohamad, who made a lot of anti-China comments got elected. But once he was elected his attitude changed, refused to cancel BRI deals. He was removed recently by a party coup. The new prime minister has been virtually silent about China, which is smart, for Malaysia to develop it's economy it needs BRI, but supporting it publicly is suicide by CIA.
You see money controls political parties, be it left or right. US currently has the most money.
"I have a lot of Burmese friends from the north of Myanmar who talk about how China is building highways into their country and taking resources out. China is very economically expansionist"
And China is taking a lot of resources out of Australia, do you see us complaining? We complained a lot because China refused to take more.
A lot of Australians also think the Chinese immigrants is the main reason property market is so high, because newspapers told them so. Even majority of the Australian Chinese community thought it was true. But the Chinese is not even the largest immigration intake, the British is. Only about 8.4% of overall immigrants were from China, compare to 12.7% from UK.
Also I worked in finance and I know for a fact it has nothing to do with that. Property price is always what people can afford, and it goes up because interest rates have been coming down from low teens 30 years ago to near zero.
Read the facts, not the narratives, because more often than not, they don't even match, but people are so intellectually lazy, they just accept whatever is fed to them. Especially when it is done relentlessly day in and day out.
> If you never heard of "The 9 dash line" and insist you have valid opinions about South China Sea, even used the words like "I am sure" then you are a lot more ignorant than I thought.
You could have just said, bur you chose to be insulting.
The nine-dash line—at various times also referred to as the ten-dash line and the eleven-dash line—is the demarcation line used by the People's Republic of China (China) for its claims of the major part of the South China Sea.
On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal constituted under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) concluded that China's historic-rights claim over the maritime areas (as opposed to land territories and territorial waters) inside the nine-dash line has no lawful effect if it exceeds what is entitled to under the UNCLOS.
Also I worked in finance and I know for a fact it has nothing to do with that. Property price is always what people can afford, and it goes up because interest rates have been coming down from low teens 30 years ago to near zero.
So when you called me "weasel words" and "bullshit ", that wasn't rude? And you are upset when I called you "ignorant"? Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
And what you quoted is exactly what you should have known. Like I said it was from "Republic of China", so say something about how unfair Taiwan is.
I worked in finance for more than 6 years. What finance experience do you have? Who is "ignorant"?
Anyway, now I guess you no longer have anything meaningful to say, going on full propaganda mode. I don't know, is that just ignorance or you are actually from an anti-China internet troll farm?
Either way this discussion is again no longer intelligent, so I am done with you.
> So when you called me "weasel words" and "bullshit ", that wasn't rude?
I described your COMMENTS, true, I did not call you "weasel words" and "bullshit". If you do not understand he English context I will explain it in simpler terms, but you seemed to be doing quite well with your English, so I think you know that.
That smacks of playing the victim ... oh, poor guy, got called "weasel words" and "bullshit "????
Claiming anything about your authority is pretty lame here and I would not get into a battle of BS with you - incidentally, I am not calling you BS, OK? For all I know you could be a janitor for Commonwealth Bank of Australia and that could be your financial expertise, or live in China? I don't ask you to prove anything to me, and I cannot prove anything to you - we just have what we know and what links we can cite to agree or disagree on. That's how this works - or doesn't work when some people put on airs.
To put on airs means - to act in a way that shows one thinks one is better than other people.
Some of her old friends have accused her of putting on airs since she became wealthy.
I described your COMMENTS, true, I did not call you "weasel words" and "bullshit".
Sniff, sniff .... you're gonna make me cry.
Seriously, words have meanings, and if you cannot handle it, don't use them in public.
I don't feel shame for joining in the fray here on MC. If you review the vast proportion of my comments and posts you would know I am extremely civil to people until they get way out of line. I will slam someone I feel deserves it and try to do it in an acceptable way, but I am not perfect. No need to feel shame for not being perfect.
On other hand, I would feel bad if I defended some of the indefensible things MY country has done in the world as you seem to be defending and offending about China. I've pointed out, civilly, in a civil manner, several dishonest things you have said, and dodges to questions as well as choosing not to answer direct questions and trying to cut loose of the subject by transferring to another thread.
I did notice you posted your ideas about free speech here, so that's up here I will read that and get back to you - but you are using rhetoric to evade the points, and shamelessly defending China fully. Is there anything you will say critical of China? Or do you get arrested for that? ;-)
I think I presented a fair argument of good and bad about China, source: https://moviechat.org/tt9376612/Shang-Chi-and-the-Legend-of-the-Ten-Rings/613667c613bafc20e87bb36d/Very-bizarre-media-push?reply=613f006c8d946145f5bf57ea
"In western countries where you and I live, we have something called liberal democracy. And we are programmed to think it is great. But you do know there are this thing called lobbyists. And I think you know the last US federal election cost $6 billion. First year after Biden off as vice president he took in $11 million, second year $4 million. After Obama was off as president he was paid half million dollars per 20 minute speeches to bankers (No wonder there was no banking reform). but he was not presidential candidate anymore so he did not have to declare his income like Biden did, so we don't know how much he was taking, but I bet it was much more than Biden. These are all well documented.
So our governments are ruled by corporate elites, China is ruled by political elites. But we have this facade of elections to determine which faction of corporate elites get to rule the government.
Our media are surprisingly all owned by corporate elites, and think what they would say about a country not ruled by them.
Also China is not authoritarian, is one party rule. Being authoritarian is more like one person rule, like kings or queens. China is not even unique, both Vietnam and Singapore are one party rule and they are our allies. Vietnam does not even go through the charade of elections like Singapore did (Singapore is ruled by the same political party since founding and they had regular elections, interesting, isn't it?), but you don't hear much of that, do you?
Think what media are telling you. Most of time instead of news we are fed narratives. Only when you start to think, the deprogramming can start. Then again it is up to you, I don't think it will change your life either way that much."
> "In western countries where you and I live, we have something called liberal democracy.
You know, I just think that is such a broad prejudicial statement that to subscribe to it and to seriously use it as an argument, a point of discussion here, it indicative of you being brainwashed into thinking you can categorize simply everyone who responds to as from the West and being brainwashed.
I think you should slow down and think more about what you are saying because this comment I am replying to is very broken and hard to decipher.
> Think what media are telling you. Most of time instead of news we are fed narratives.
Again, there you go. That may be true, to some extent or another, but you cannot used that to beat others over the head with some overly generalized statement. Speak for yourself and your own brainwashing - because you imply by constantly claiming I and I guess everyone else from the West is brainwashed that you know better than the whole Western world ... I suppose because you claim to live in the West/Australia.
Get over yourself.
I guess that is the only thing you have: denial.
shareSo after all this rhetoric, what I'm getting from you is that you are OK with China removing black people from their promotional posters. Correct?
shareYou are just so easily manipulated. China did not do that. Warner Bros did that.
shareYou talk a lot right here about manipulation. How would you compare that to the Chinese people who have their access to the Internet cut-off, censored and policies. OR, as I and others mentioned and if pretty well distributed in the Western media - China's troll army posting propaganda and interfering in other countries internet discussions.
Is it fine for China to censor the internet, and control what Chinese people hear about what is going on in the world.
Compare the magnitude and scale of what China does to its people, and how you call people you personally disagree with brainwashed? See a problem there?
Discussion of free speech is up there. Reply to that: https://moviechat.org/tt1160419/Dune-Part-One/61784f8b609a482a593ee503/Black-British-actress-removed-from-poster-in-China?reply=6179cb013a35a266901a78d4
shareI'm thinking. I disagree pretty much with most of what you are saying, and it is hard to compact that into a brief argument and cover your points.
shareStill can't come up with anything? The truth is hard to dispute, isn't it?
shareNot at all ... you put so much nonsense into that comment it's gonna take me a while to organize a reply ... assuming I want to devote that much time to you who are just going to reply with more pro-Chinese propaganda.
shareHow did you notice this? Do you use multiple accounts? Is "AnubisRaydeen" another you?
shareNo.
You should chill out and not make accusations neither of us can prove. No one is piling on to here ... maybe because I am usually the one to be critical of the US, and now I get a chance to express my foreign policy beliefs, which may to you, on a superficial level, sound supportive of America and like I have been brainwashed - which you have accused me of frequently here.
Yet another anti-Black post from you.
shareI didn't realize I was the one removing the black character or doing black face. Come up with a better excuse. I don't see you complaining about it so you must definitely support its removal. 🙄
shareYou do seem to be obsessed with making comments that have to do with race, with some kind of edge to them in line with Conservative commenters here. At least that is the impression I get.
shareIn china a children cartoon on national television had a character cursed. The "curse" was to become black princess instead of a white one. They literally think black is inferior.
sharevery good
shareThat's how much Hollywood REALLY cares about derpversity.
shareIt's an old poster, you can see it at IMDb in Dune's Photo Gallery.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/mediaviewer/rm88404993/
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The right-winger usual suspects from these boards stay away from these posts because, while they completely approve of China doing this kind of stuff, they cannot bring themselves to give any praise to a communist nation
shareWow!
Well, it is the crappy Daily Mail though.
I guess it would be too "woke" to insist that the Chinese have Western Social Justice and Multiculturalism shoved down their pieholes?
So ... I guess Conservatives are OK with this? What about it Conservatives?
Is there any indication or documentation that the "West" does anything like this with Chinese movies?
No one likes woke shoved down their pieholes but how is it woke by having 2 black actors in the poster?
What's that got to do with Conservatives? I don't think Conservatives care either way, more so on the left with the diversity, inclusion, etc. mantra.
No documentation that I have seen. We have 'freedoms' here and we don't censor, unless you're left leaning which come near CCP-level censorship on certain things. Right does it as well it seems but those are rarer cases.
> but how is it woke by having 2 black actors in the poster?
That is a bit of an obtuse response to my comment.
If this was in another context "conservatives" commenters would be howling woke all day long - and they do when you consider how many posts you see about women in men's roles, or transgender people or even on Dune where they substituted a black woman for Liet Kynes. I do think China should have woke shoved down their throats ... well, in as productive and positive way as possible.
I had to dig around a bit more since it's mostly (I assume) left-leaning (diversity, inclusion, etc.) sites that are reporting it.
https://movie.douban.com/photos/photo/2675934168/
I found this one which include Kynes as well. I am assuming there are more than one version.
The Daily Mail is a right wing tabloid, mate. BTW, it seems they removed the article or the link is broken
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