Up until now, it looks like the franchise has been sidestepping the timeline of the original Planet of the Apes films. We are still in what is essentially prequel territory. Do you guys think they eventually remake the original films in this franchise? Or maybe create their own versions of the upcoming timeline?
sharei don't think they will get that far
those films are still thousands of years in the future
I think they're going to try to get a second trilogy out of this. But i'm skeptical they'll get past this one.
shareIt seems like the plan is for them to end up back where the original 1968 story "happened" by the end of the second trilogy in the reboot series... in other words, the sixth film would essentially be a remake of Planet of the Apes.
If I were them, I'd go back to the original book for inspiration there... they don't want to just make a soulless "modern" copy of the 1968 film, or a POTA "alternate universe" reimagining, like the 2001 movie. They could keep faithful to the original plot of the book, while still making it set in the universe of the reboot movies.
they are hoping to make 9, not 6
shareI hope they get back to the original setting by the sixth movie. If they make three more AFTER that, it should be a brand new trilogy, set thousands of years later in the FAR future, and give us a totally unique new world (I assume they won't go with "earth blows up" ending from Beneath the Planet of the Apes). They really don't want to drag it out for nine movies before they get back to the original Charlton Heston movie setting. I would name the sixth film simply "The Planet of the Apes", and make it a direct adaptation of the original Pierre Boulle novel (astronaut lands in a world run by intelligent talking Apes with modern day technology), only set in the universe of the reboot films. The film between Kingdom and the sixth movie will be able to fill in the gaps between what we just saw and the original novel.
someone else suggested Taylor arriving at the very end of 9, which sounds pretty good to me
maybe even thru CGI use
Eh, the original film is set around the year 4000. We're still only around 300 years into the future, so while you COULD drag it out for nine movies, I don't think the audience would stick around for that. I can't think of any film franchise that took nine movies to live up to its original intent.
It really wouldn't be that hard to "bridge the gap" between Kingdom and the original Planet of the Apes story with one more film. The fifth installment can show that the corrupt regime of the Ape Kingdom had dire consequences after what happened in Kingdom. As a result, there's an ape civil war, the monarchy is overthrown, religious clerics who enforced "Ape law" take over and "reformed" things. Over the course of the new movie, an Ape renaissance of sorts occurred over the centuries, to the point where Ape society advances to use modern technology, and the story of Caesar eventually falls into "legend" and becomes a vaguely explained creation myth about how the "first Ape" spoke and created their society and banished the savage human beasts away from civilization. Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangutans organize Ape society along their familiar roles in the original story (Orangutans become the politicians/religious clerics/government officials, Chimps become the scientists and everyday workers, Gorillas become the military/security officials), end of the film they erect a statue of the "lawgiver" Ape. Post-credits scene, 1000 years later, the Icarus lands... leading directly into the sixth installment: The Planet of the Apes
i am not arguing with you,
but there have been 33 mcu movies
and 25 bond films
so i don't see any reason they would have to stop at 9
Yes but it didn't take 9 movies to get to Bond's "origin story" or before they could adapt one of the books directly. Even in the MCU, it didn't take 9 movies before they got to the Avengers story. I'm sure they COULD make dozens more Planet of the Apes movies, I just don't think they want to take 9 movies before they get back to the setting of the original novel. If they've "greenlight" 9 movies, fine, they can do a third trilogy AFTER they get back to that setting.
We haven't seen any talking human go into hiding in caves with a nuke yet.
shareThey have about 18 more films to make before they get the the timeline of the original 1968 version
shareThey can skip ahead a couple of centuries…
shareI(n the first movie there is a story on the background on a news tv about a lost space craft.
shareyes but the ship floated around until 3978
shareThe Icarus in Rise is not the same as in the original films.
It was on a mission to Mars rather than Taylor's Icarus, which was specifically on a one way journey into the future.
So, this Icarus could really reappear any time. Or maybe it already did...
This is incorrect.
1) The ship in the first film wasn't even named Icarus ( it was Liberty I )
2) It also was not on a mission "to the future", it was supposed to fly at lightspeed towards another star, but instead it crashed back on Earth 2000 years later
I'm hoping after the Icarus lands and we see the events play out from the original film, and just before the planet is about to explode, we get to see a Dr Milo ape scientist salvage the ship and get it to fly and land back on Earth in present day and he stops Geneysis labs from creating the drug that doomed mankind. We see Milo going to Geneysis labs during the events shown in Rise of the Planet of the Apes and meets with Will to change the future
shareReally, I thought it was the same name? Maybe I've got that wrong...
But re that second point - Taylor and his crew knew they were on a one way mission into the future regardless of what happened with the mission going wrong and crash landing.
Na, it was called Icarus as well:-
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f90b6c0a690f0ba9429a27570681855a
https://planetoftheapes.fandom.com/wiki/Icarus/Liberty_1
Weird though, it just says the original was nicknamed Icarus but I don't know where they get that from? Maybe it was referenced like that in one of the sequels?
as far as I know, Icarus was made up by fans later on
shareYea, all because of a song from Iron Maiden, Flight of the Icarus
sharethanks i will have to google it
sharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMiE89-tvz4
At the 1:15 mark is probably the best voice of all time
cool thanks
shareWhat about the Liberty 1 name? Do you know where that comes from?
I'm trying to see if it was named that in the scripts or if it was on the side of the ship but I'm getting nothing... But then I guess there probably wasn't if fans made up a name anyway.
I think Liberty 1 was also made up by fans, but i'd have to look that up too
shareokay i just checked the first 3 shooting scripts and you are correct, none of them call it Liberty 1 ( or 2 ) they just say SPACESHIP lol
shareHa - That's funny, you had me rewatching the opening of the film to see if there were any markings on the ship saying "Liberty 1" as well 😂...
I don't know if you read that wiki page but I'm not sure where they got there stuff from - it was saying there were Liberty 1 to V, reverse engineered from a classified ship.
Probably some expanded universe novel or something. But anyway, got me interested in thinking that it would have been good if they'd made that a time loop thing in Escape and that the apes brought the ship (whatever it was called) back in time to before Taylor's mission had even been dreamed up.
i saw that too, and at first i thought they were implying something like in T2
sharelooks like we have a case similar to the Imperial Cruiser at the beginning of STAR WARS,
it was only named "Star Destroyer" AFTER the film was released
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It looks to me as though the second trilogy will continue directly from where Kingdom ended. There is the posiblity that the "resistance" humans - presumably not exposed to the virus - may have access to something that could, just maybe, counteract the effects of the virus. Thus the next two films may be about this - An attempt to undo everything - reducing the apes to simple apes again and restoring the capabilities of the feral humans.
Obviously, this is not going to succeed, but it will be made a major issue and Nova/Mae and Noa will agree to not allow it to happen. Theoretically audiences are invested in the apes and a character like Noa, will function like Caesar, as a peacemaker, attempting to foster friendship and equality between the two sapient species but not by mass diffusion of a "cure".