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Are we meant to feel bad for the old woman?


I acknowledge Christine made a few mistakes (worst of all the murder of the poor cat) but I don't understand if we are meant to feel bad for the gypsy?

She basically wanted money she had no intention of ever paying back...a bank is not a charity, she was on her third loan and felt hard done to because somebody finally saw she was a leech? She had options too, she seemed to have a big family who could help or even care for her or if nothing else go into residential care. She was no frail old lady either, she overpowered Christine in the car so she was strong enough physically to take a job some place to try and show she was trying to pay off the loan.

Mehhh if anyone deserved hell imo it was the old woman.

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but I don't understand if we are meant to feel bad for the gypsy?


The sick old Hungarian woman in the bank? Sure. The hag-demon who shows up later? Hardly. But they are not necessarily the same. The hag-demon might be just another form of the Lamia.

In any event, the evil of Christine's original act is not mitigated by what the demon-hag does later. Even if Ganush and the demon-hag are one, Christine did not know this. She thought she was victimizing a helpless old woman, merely to score points with her boss.


She basically wanted money she had no intention of ever paying back...a bank is not a charity, she was on her third loan and felt hard done to because somebody finally saw she was a leech?


None of this is supported by the film. The situation was, she had paid her mortgage for 30 years, had plenty of equity in the home, and therefore was certain to pay off her mortgage with interest eventually, at best (for her) after she made her final payments, at worst (for her) at a later foreclosure. There was no risk, to the bank, in a little further delay. They could afford to show some consideration to a sick old woman who had made every payment for 30 years.

The bank was merely being predatory. Mr. Jacks wanted to force a sale of the home during a down-market (allowing them to "sieze the trapped equity"); and also to make a sizeable amount in fees (meaning they are overcharging, since foreclosure fees are merely supposed to compensate, not serve as an incentive).

Their investment was not otherwise at risk; and Ganush, by all appearances, was in the midst of a genuine medical hardship.


She had options too, she seemed to have a big family who could help or even care for her or if nothing else go into residential care.


She seems to have a granddaughter; a young woman who Ganush (to her credit) does not want to burden. That is the only family mentioned in the film. The people at her funeral are just people at her funeral.

Why is charity always someone else's problem?

And how is living in a hellish nursing home, at taxpayers expense, better than continuing to live independently at home for as long as possible? The latter is the cheaper option that is less of a burden to EVERYONE. It even costs the bank nothing (except things they are not entitled to, like "trapped equity" and overcharged "fees").


She was no frail old lady either, she overpowered Christine in the car so she was strong enough physically to take a job some place to try and show she was trying to pay off the loan.


Well ... that was probably the first appearance of the demon or what Lorna Raver calls "the demon version of Mrs. Ganush". Ganush may already have been dead at that point.

But even if it was the real Ganush ... she died that very night. Are you really going to try to argue that she wasn't really sick?


Mehhh if anyone deserved hell imo it was the old woman.


Well, I'm sure the demon deserves hell. It is, after all, a demon. But perhaps all 3 of them deserve hell. Still, there is not much evidence against the relatively-human Mrs. Ganush we meet at the bank.

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I've never heard of a home mortgage loan with a term longer than 30 years. So the house should have already been paid off.

Originally, savings and loan associations held mortgages, not banks. The deregulation of the banking industry in the 1970s destroyed the S&L's. A bank might now be a service agent for whoever invested in the mortgage. Sounds like this crooked bank was continuing to collect on a mortgage that was already paid in full.

The situation was, she had paid her mortgage for 30 years, had plenty of equity in the home, and therefore was certain to pay off her mortgage with interest eventually, at best (for her) after she made her final payments, at worst (for her) at a later foreclosure. There was no risk, to the bank, in a little further delay. They could afford to show some consideration to a sick old woman who had made every payment for 30 years.

The bank was merely being predatory. Mr. Jacks wanted to force a sale of the home during a down-market (allowing them to "sieze the trapped equity"); and also to make a sizeable amount in fees (meaning they are overcharging, since foreclosure fees are merely supposed to compensate, not serve as an incentive).

Their investment was not otherwise at risk; and Ganush, by all appearances, was in the midst of a genuine medical hardship.

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Yes -- I had the same thought. She is behind on her payments, and she has been given extensions before. The bank is not doing anything immoral in foreclosing on her. If she has enough equity in the house, then she should have some options. And with that big family, why should the bank help her before her own family does. She is putting Christine in a bad position by e.g. begging in the bank (and then slobbering all over her). As a general rule, however, banks don't really profit by foreclosing on properties. Any amount received over the loan goes back to the owner. The old woman was pushy, and swiping the sweets off Christine's desk, and was gross to take out her false teeth etc. Maybe they could have made her more likeable. (And she wouldn't know if Christine really had the discretion to grant an extension on the payments.)

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A little late, but...
"The bank is not doing anything immoral" - That's funny, because it is a BANK. Maybe they don't do anything ILLEGAL. But as a bank they are definitely not connected to any moral principles...

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I didn't feel bad for the old woman. She had a granddaughter who was also a bitch. She had many options but she chose to put her future in someone else's hands. Plus she was disgusting at the bank. I mean who takes out their teeth and spits up yellow gross crap when asking for an extension? Especially one she doesn't deserve.

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yah i don't think the viewer is meant to sympathize with the old bag.
we are only shown that Christine is put in a random position that she didn't even create. damn gypsies man !!

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hahaha!

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I agree why didn’t the old lady just made a spell to win the lottery

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I read up on this movie, and honestly, I think the entire plot was just a flimsy excuse to show supernatural torture porn on a beautiful actress. If the old lady had truly wanted to get revenge, she would have done it to the girl's bosses, not to the girl herself; she was just the messenger, and was being pressured into making harder choices. The old lady deserved to go to hell more so than the girl she cursed.

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Agree with your last statement (and all your posts bashing leftist trash :D), but she cursed AL more because she felt AL shamed her by making her fall to the floor when she got on her knees and begged for an extension. So it was the act of shaming (which wasn't very convincingly shown, cause the scene made it look like AL just involuntarily recoiled back in surprise when the old lady grabbed her skirt, instead of doing it to deliberately inflict shame or pain) from the old lady's POV that made her curse, rather than getting her extension request denied.

And yes, that served as the perfect setup for the torture porn, some of which was pretty gross.

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There's a reason I don't watch movies like this, it gives you nightmares, especially if you have empathy and are putting yourself in the girl's shoes during the whole thing.

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it's funny you mention that. i never had nightmares, but i watched this in the theare back in 2009 when it was released late at night also.

so my and my friend leave the theatre and I go home, he lived in the city i had to take the subway to my apt outside the city. there was absolutely no one on the subway (which was odd because that usually doesn't happen), when i got off to my stop, the station was deserted and the lights were all shut off. i told myself "something ain't right". I didn't want to walk home because it was late and really dark out i tried calling my gf who was at home (our apt) but she didn't answer. i decide to walk after calling so many times with no answer.

here's the creepy part, I'm walking and to get to my apt i usually take a shortcut through this old dirt road in the woods (stupidly) and i see some guy approaching me walking really weird. he's kicking his legs high each step like he's dancing or something. we keep walking toward each other and he doesn't move out of the way.

we are face to face, i can feel his nasty hot breath on my face and he has a sinister grin on his face, he doesn't say a word. eventually i say "can i help you?" but he doesn't answer he never says a word he just keeps staring at me with that creepy grin. i start reaching in my pocket for my small knife thinking i'm possibly gonna die, then he walks passed me (the same goofy walk) so i keep walking and then i turn around to look and there's no one there...so i bolt home

dude must have been high

true story

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honestly, I think the entire plot was just a flimsy excuse to show supernatural torture porn on a beautiful actress.


Very well put. I honestly can't stand this movie because of the basic premise, and I don't understand why it was so well regarded.

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You're supposed to feel bad for the main character.

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