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nobody upset about the ending? - SPOILERS!


I really enjoyed this film and its honest and tender tone, but the end felt completely false and ruined everything for me: that Leonard gave the ring to Sandra.

It's one thing to get rejected by the girl you think you're in love with, but that's no reason to flee in the other girls arms and to marry her instead - that really hurts, because its a such a bitter arrangement: Sandra want to take care for Leonard and Leonard agrees to be taken care of. That's not about love. Very disappointing, because I really believe Sandra and Leonard could have become a loving couple.

I wished Leonard would have left the ring at the beach, returned to the party and just sat with Sandra, making an effort to "see" her / get to know her / make contact with her. Just a few words, a joke maybe, but to give her and himself the chance to become something (instead of pretending to be something).

The end the filmmakers did is only a "medical" one to me: Leonard is to weak and to compromised by his bipolar disorder to see the chance he has in Sandra.


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At first I was upset about the ending as well. I understand that it seems like a happy ending cop-out. After thinking about it for awhile, I think the ending was like "The Graduate". Sure, the guy gets the girl in the end, but the look on their faces is the kicker. They're thinking, "What now?". In Two Lovers, clearly it's not supposed to be happy ending. The marraige will never work, Joaquin Phoenix's character is too screwed up.

I'm not that proud of everything I've done, but I'm not that ashamed, either.

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I agree with a lot of what you say. But I do feel you're perhaps a little harsh on Michelle. I think she was just as messed up as Leonard. He may have had a clinical (diagnosed) condition. But I feel in a lot of ways her and Leonard are very similar. The difference being that she didn't having a loving support system that Leonard had. He had his parents and Sandra that truly cared for him and his well being. And Michelle was adrift. The character reminded me of a less sympathetic Clementine Kruczynski.

But I'm just a *beep* girl who's lookin' for my own peace of mind


"You're smiling, Jim."
"Oh God forbid. The wind might change."

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At first, I was very disappointed in the ending! I thought it was just too pat and perfect and did not fit at all with the rest of the movie. But, after reading some of these posts, I wonder if maybe he finally decided to choose a relatively healthy relationship over the unhealthy ones he'd had in the past. Of course, it's hard to believe that they'll live happily ever after. He'll probably exhaust her and she may get to a point where she tires of "taking care" of him. But, meanwhile, maybe they'll both grow up a bit and see each other in a more realistic light and maybe even learn something about love along the way.

P.S. Did the Vinessa Shaw character seriously say that not many men would be interested in her? Was she supposed to the "plain" one? I think she's infinitely more beautiful than Gwyneth Paltrow! Those cheekbones!

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I think it's more of Sandra being safe and, in her own opinion, not exciting. It was her perception of herself. She made it known that she was the marrying kind. That would make some men run the other way.
I don't think she thought of herself as plain. James Gray wrote her character as a pretty woman. He didn't want the cliche' of choosing between the plain girl and the pretty one. It was a choice between the exciting, unstable girl and the stable girl who can provide a less exciting, but safer relationship.
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I thought the ending was fitting. It showed the absurdity of believing that any one person can be used as a way to solve your problems. "Have a leftover engagement ring? Give it to another girl who you aren't on a sure footing with!" No sane person would offer that advice, yet it's a quick and easy solution that Leonard sees, in a desperate attempt to try and 'fix' himself... In reality, you can't see the worth of someone else until you're fully cognisant of your own issues, and Leonard was still very far away from being a whole, self-sufficient person in his own right, when we left him at the end of the movie.

By unwittingly using people as substitutes to try to patch up old problems, you'll only wind up storing new ones for yourself, at a later date. We - and the people around us - don't always see the value of romantic partners who are right for us at the time. We don't always love who's 'best'. Following your heart is dangerous, because it's impulsive, and you don't always have time to weigh up the proper merits of something before you dive in and realise that you're way over your head... Nevertheless, because Leonard's emotional and looking for someone to cling to, that's his approach, and that's also how many other people live their lives.

I saw the fact that the ending is only a 'medical' one, and a temporary salve, as being precisely the point.








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The shot where he looks directly into the camera while embracing Sandra is painful and touching.
I think the film should have ended while the camera was on his face.

"a malcontent who knows how to spell"


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I kind of agree with what you're saying. But I felt that giving her that ring. Giving her what she so obviously wanted, even if perhaps his heart isn't initially in it, was him getting on the path to 'getting better'. He made the healthy choice. She loved him and he knew he could be happy with her. If not right then but sometime in the future.

I didn't particularly like him giving her that ring, the ring he bought for someone else. But these are all flawed people and I thought the ending perfectly illustrated that. Kind of bittersweet.

Loved the film.

"You're smiling, Jim."
"Oh God forbid. The wind might change."

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I didn;t like Michelle but was sad he didn't get what he wanted. I thought he was going to try and kill himself again at the beach. I feel sorry for Sandra she would never know she was second best and the ring wasn't for her :( but amazing film, loved it!

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