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Meh.

posted 3 years ago by kuatorises (7467)
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The Rotten Tomatoes score is absurd . 94% and 99%? That is IN-SANE. This is an ok movie at best.

- "MJ" and Flash are just off. The characters are so far removed from what they are, it's just so wrong. Ned is pretty much the same. They are all just awkward and uncomfortable to watch and drag Holland down.

A lot of the humor with these characters fell flat. It's just so awkward and unfunny.

Some of the humor with Maguire and Garfield was too. Some of it was funny, some of it was not and unnecessary. It was neat seeing them, but could have been more finely tuned.

Strange did a world-altering spell ENTIRELY too easy. No wonder the government enacted the Accords. There's no consequences for some of these people.

Dafoe was wonderful. Great seeing him back. He hams it up as Osborne very well. Be is truly a bastard.
Both fight scenes with him were fun.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this, but it bears repeating: RT is just a ratio of good/bad. It's not equivalent to a star system. It's just a thumbs up or thumbs down

I agree with most of your criticisms about the movie, but it certainly was much better than the first two Spider-Mans with Tom Holland, both of which sucked IMO. It was better than I thought it was going to be

It wasn't perfect, but I think most people would agree that it WAS a good movie. The RT score reflects that

The 99% is unlikely, but based on how my theater behaved (nonstop clapping), it's pretty clear that there is fanboy hysteria around this movie right now

I agree that the weakest part is the attempts at quirky humor between Spider Man and his friends. But I'm getting older and I think those jokes are aimed at Zoomers

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

So 94 and 99% of this people think this is "good" and a "thumbs up"? That's nuts to me. This movie is ok. You said it, hysteria. People clapping nonstop. It was in my theater too, at least amongst the younger crowd, and that sentiment is ALL. OVER. social media. People are talking about this movie like it's one of Marvel's best and it certainly is not.

The Osborne fights were stellar, particularly the first one. Like Filmbuff pointed out, just brutal. They felt real, which is impressive considering what the movie is about. Osborne power-bombing Peter through a floor, the anger behind Peter's punches - that was all VERY well done imo.

I found the Maguire/Garfield stuff to be all over the map. Sometimes it was funny and endearing, other times awkward and not funny; but I think most of that was due to their interactions with Ned and "MJ". Those two just really drag everything down. Teens today seem to revel in being unable to speak properly to others. They think it's funny and admirable to be socially retarded. It just doesn't make me laugh, at least not in the way presented in these movies.

I only saw the first Holland Spidey a few months ago. I did not like it outside of Keaton, who was excellent, but had a stupid costume. Still haven't seen the 2nd. I heard it was better than the first, but after seeing how much people are overrating this movie, I'm not sure I'd bother. I have been very disappointed with the new Spiderman movies so far. I thought he was fine in Civil War and Avengers, but his own movies don't do a lot for me.

Strange being insanely irresponsible and the whole obsession with "saving" the villains rubbed me the wrong way too. Osborne is a baaaad guy, but here they are all "victims".

[–] LanceDance (1393) 3 years ago

Maybe it's my OCD, but I couldn't skip a Spider-Man movie before watching the next one. As much as I didn't like Amazing Spider-Man 1, I still went and saw Amazing Spider-Man 2 in the hopes that it would improve. In some ways it did, in other ways it did not.

As for the MCU Spider-Man movies, I thought Homecoming was pretty good, a solid 7/10. It could've been better. While I appreciate it trying to be it's own thing to stand out from the Raimi and Webb films, it went a little too far with being it's own thing to the point where it didn't feel like a Spider-Man movie, but a high-school comedy starring Iron Man's sidekick. Far From Home also tried to be it's own thing, but it was actually worse than Homecoming in my opinion, a 6/10. Still a watchable movie, and it's the only MCU Spider-Man movie were he doesn't ask an older hero for help, but it was still the weakest of the three. I did like Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio though, and I do like Tom Holland as Spider-Man, but his movies could've been better. They have more heart than the Amazing Spider-Man movies, but they're still somewhat lacking.

Spider-Man: No Way Home was the first MCU Spider-Man movie that actually felt like a Spider-Man movie. Maybe having the old cast come back helped, maybe having Spider-Man swinging into the camera at the end also helped, but I can't deny that it actually felt more than just the usual MCU flare, thus to me making it the best of the MCU Spidey films for that reason. It still had its problems, but I liked this one the most, it gets an 8/10 for being a solid movie, for feeling like a Spider-Man movie, and for doing nostalgia and fan-service right. Evidently, giving the fans what they want, in addition to a good story, is the best way to go.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I normally would see them all too, but haven't been terribly interested in MCU's Spiderman. The character has had 8 movies since 2002 and been played by 3 different characters. That is ridiculous and it's not even counting his Avengers
or the Miles Morales movie.

Plus, I was not impressed with the trailers. I did eventually see Homecoming and did not like it. I was interested in this one despite not seeing the 2nd one. I thought it was ok, but am not in a rush to see part 2. Holland is a spazzy Spiderman. It's fine in the Avengers flicks, but too much when with his spazzy friends.

[–] Jimmyt11111 (142) 3 years ago

Snazzy! I ain't heard that since 1975

[–] motorcycledriveb (303) 3 years ago

I had a lot of fun. I thought the beginning was crazy with the entire world reacting to finding out Spider-Man's identity.
Strange enlisting the kids to find the villains was fun! The philosophical/moral idea with Peter trying to cure the villains was neat.

The middle part made me so antsy though. The sequence where all the villains are at Peter's (Happy's) apartment. I was very ready to just see Tobey and Andrew at that point. When they arrived, it was unbelievably fun. Andrew Garfield seemed so excited to make his comeback as Spider-Man.

The ending was somewhat depressing. I understand why they did it...but it seems like Sony pushed Marvel to do that ending where everyone forgets who Peter Parker is. So that Sony can do their own thing with Spidey/Holland for the college trilogy?

[–] Jehosaphet (1063) 3 years ago

This is where I'm at with the movie...well said. Was great seeing Garfield and Tobey come back, was definitely a fun twist and I teared up at Garfield's redemption when rescuing MJ...then teared up again at the end. In fact, I don't think any other Spiderman movie has stirred up so much dust...very moving movie.
And yeah, the fight scenes had oomf...some serious violence that felt a lot less cartoonish than previous movies. It got pretty intense there in a couple scenes.

[–] FilmBuff (7436) 3 years ago

The initial fight between Peter and Norman, where the crashed through walls and floors, was by far the best fight I've ever seen in a Spider-Man film. It was brutal, and looked like what a fight between two super-powered beings would actually be.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

Do you really think so?

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

It might be the best, yeah. I also enjoyed the Osborne/Maguire final fight a lot. I don't dislike Spidey 2, but people thinking it's far and away better then Spidey 1 just doesn't sit with me. I think Spiderman 1is awesome and Dafoe is a big reason why.

But yes, you are correct. It was brutal and real looking. That's the key to stuff - the execution and look. If it looks real, you are gold. And it looks real. The punches, slamming each other through walls, you hit the nail on the head - this looks like what a fight two super-powered beings would look like. The physics and aesthetics of it were fantastic.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i agree with this.

one of the criticisms of mcu & cbm films that i'm on board with is that so much of the action is weightless, has no impact.

the fights with osborne get that right. both of them are really tough, even brutal.

i liked this movie quite a bit. i'll go along with some of the criticisms made by the op i guess, while still feeling like it got way more things right.

it's a very good movie.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

"one of the criticisms of mcu & cbm films that i'm on board with is that so much of the action is weightless, has no impact."

I wouldn't say it doesn't happen in the MCU, but it is a waaaay bigger problem in the DC movies. Superman taps Zod, Faora, or even Batman and they are pushed miles. It's just dumb looking. No impact, emotionally or physically, as you say.

[–] Snoopy828 (605) 3 years ago

MJ and Flash and Ned all sucked from the get go. Ned is basically the jar jar binks of the MCU.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Flash is flat out embarrassing. He is barely in the movies, but whenever he shows up, it's a reminder of just how off that character is.

And Zendaya simply isn't MJ. Sorry, nope. MJ is a good-looking girl next door who wants to be famous. Every guy would want her. Not a cynical, anti=social, frumpy mess.

Ned is some bizarre mix of Ganke from Ultimate Spiderman and bears the name of one of the Hobgoblins.

They are all awkward and not funny.

[–] WhereIsRent (1092) 3 years ago

I think I’m in the minority but I think the whole Tom Holland trilogy is brilliant with the third film being the best.

I like the character arc Peter Parker goes through in these movies from an eager boy wanting to be an Avenger in Homecoming, to trying to handle the responsibility of being a hero in Far From Home and then closing the trilogy with a story about the price of doing the right thing.

The supporting cast are all quite funny characters, I don’t find them annoying and the villains have been second only to the first two Sam Raimi movies. There’s so much heart and humour in these movies even if I’ll admit the first two films can be a bit dramatically dry.