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That $70 million budget listed on here is a typo right?


This looks like a made for television or direct to DVD film. No way the budget could be that high for a movie without a single respectable name and below average special effects at best.

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Are you for real?? $70m for a movie is nothing these days

"No respectable names"

Kellen Lutz was a main character in the twilight movies and Liam McIntyre was the lead in the Spartacus series, both of which were a hugh success.

These 2 actors alone will mean it will at least make its money back even if the story sucks.

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Are YOU for real? Kellan Lutz is very, veeery far from being a respectable name. The success of Twilight had absolutely nothing to do with him. Also, he's a really bad actor and definitely not a leading man material. As for his fanbase, it's mostly comprised of teenage girls and they are hardly the target group for Hercules.
Liam McIntyre is a TV actor relatively unknown to the masses.
People aren't going to flock to theaters just to see those two in a movie, give me a break.
The trailer looks so excruciatingly bad that I doubt this movie will have any success whatsoever.

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Jesus...there many worse actors out there, who could have been given the role. Like these big, bulky action stars...you know...like Dwayne Johnson!! Such a terrible actor (however I do believe his film will do better, just because it's him)

Do you really think just teenage girls spent nearly $400m on twilight, get real!! And I never said people would flock to the cinema, I said it would at least make it's money back, which it will!!

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Dwayne Johnson is a good actor your an idiot of you think otherwise

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I like him as an action hero but he is no actor. Get real...

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I gotta say though he's pretty friggin awesome in Southland Tales. He should his acting chops in that.

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You are right, I like Dwayne Johnson but he's a terrible actor.

Watch Snitch and you would realise what I'm talking about!

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snitch and pain and gain say otherwise

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Pain and Gain is good but SNITCH is terrible!

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He looks like Stiffler's retarded brother on some counterfeit chinese steroids

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I had to log in just to say that made me laugh out loud ha ha I'm still laughing!

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I kinda agree with you, I saw the trailer and I was like, this is going to be horrible but I decided to give it a crack only because I wanted to see Liam McIntyre.

Yes, I agree with you masses don't know him and I only watched him because I loved Spartacus.

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Is there a worse recomendation than starring in Twilight...honestly.

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It does not matter if the movies were a success they still suck ass and everyone in Hollywood agree

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yes everyone in Hollywood must of agreed they "suck ass" .. seeing as "they" made so many of them and grossed $1,363,537,109

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Justin Bieber sells lots of records but it's still crap. Money earned does not equal quality!

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quality can go to hell. anything hollywood cares about is money and money alone.

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Lol you made me laugh even more than the typo comment, you seriously never even bother visiting boxofficemojo or checking budgets. 100 mill + budget movies, are not as normal as you say.. the number one at the moment is 40 mill, only 3 movies from the top 10 go beyond 100 mill and they have 2 to 3 weeks of separation between. Only 4 cross the 50 mill budget, the 4th is this one, Hercules, compared to The Hobbit, then the top 21, I use 21 cos the 21 in the box office is Gravity so I give you an extra movie.

Out of 21 movies, 6 get to 100 mill budget. and 8 out of 21 get past 50 mill budget.
So, actually getting more than 50 mill for a movie is quiet an achievement, 70 mill is a lot these days for a movie, while producers are searching for the next PA, SAW, Purge, Jackass, Tyler Perry.

You clearly have not much insight of the film industry "These two actors will mean it will at least make its money back even if the story sucks" lOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl

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Kellen Lutz was a main character in the twilight movies and Liam McIntyre was the lead in the Spartacus series, both of which were a hugh success.

he said "respectable", not people you know. I didn't know either of them (thank the Gods) but I very much doubt that they had any weight in Twilight crap and Spartacus Boobs being "hits"

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You can't be serious.
1) Kellen Lutz is a nobody. Period. I have nothing against the guy, is just the true.
2) "$70m for a movie is nothing these days". Wrong. You can do a lot with that amount of money. One of the most trashed directors, Michael Bay, made Pain & Gain for $26M and it looks like 10 times expensive than this one... and that film had Mark Wahlberg and The Rock...

This movie is utter crap.

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I cant agree more, and I'll add that the movie 300:Rise of an Empire cost was 110 mills, with a billion times better special effects/cgi and with a billion times better actors....if we assume that this load of crap here has actors....

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Well, both mark wahlberg and the Rock did'nt get paid for acting in the movie. Instead they agreed on geting % of the profit. If they both would get paid for acting in the movie they both would get 20 mills so that would bring the budget up it 66 mills. And the movie was Michael bay's movie, he did not get paid. If he would get paid it would be around 15-20 mills so we have a budget of 80-90 millions for pain & gain. But this movie just profs that you can make a "high budget" movie cheep.

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No those names aren't enough for 70 million.
Although 70 million isn't the biggest budget out there it's huge.
If you think that Gravity last year cost a 100 million, with bigger cast bigger director y'know, and a huge special effects spectacle.
It would be more expensive than 300.
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it's probably more likely to be 700000 dollars, that's 3 zeroes to much, that's what it looks like anyway.
I think you still have a lot to learn about movie stuff.

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This budget is pocket change by today's standards. Most comic book based movies these days are made with 160+ million dollars.




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funny because Gravity only cost 105 mil with Sandra Bullock + George Clooney and State of the art effects. While this Hercules film looks like crap with the lightning rod scene.

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What's with you idiots comparing this budget to bigger budgets? All those bigger budget films are for established franchises or films that will clearly make the money back. This has no big names and it's not even a familiar incarnation of Hercules, so the $70 mil could be a waste. Dragonball Evolution had reportedly $40 mil and that had a franchise with big fans from all over the world behind it.

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Yeah for sure, worked so well this summer. Never been more failures then 2013 and 2014 will be even worse. Trust me, i'm a politician.

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Well in Dragonball: Evolution's case. the budget had more to do with how long the project was stuck in development hell. The project was hemorrhaging money and they had to quickly film throw it together and hope for a modest return on their investment. That's why the movie looks like crap, stars unknown actors (save Chow Yun Fat), and has a relatively small budget for such a huge franchise.

I think the argument here is that for 70mil the movie looks bad, and in all fairness they're right. Similarly, Skyline was shot all in digital, had a modest cast, had lots of VFX, and used cheap sets. And it's total budget was around 10mil. This looks about as impressive as anything you'd see on Game of Thrones (which has a budget of around 60mil for 10 hours of content shot around the globe).

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Skyline was also directed by the heads of a special effects company. Clearly they didn't charge much for their work.

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That was the point of the movie, tho. The fact that their company could give you big budget FX at a fraction of the cost. They may run the company, but they'd still have to pay salaries and overtime.

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I see a ton of computer rendered stuff in that trailor, might not be the best but it surely looks like a 70 million movie. Definitely not great special effects, many times better than television though. Just the boat scenes alone were probably a huge chunk of the budget.

As far as the twilight guy or spartacus guy having fans, probably very little effect on this movie. The guy from twilight has a small supporting role in those movies. Spartacus is hardly shown in the trailers, and he was a replacement Spartacus. I'd be shocked if half as many people watched the 3rd season as they did the first. A lot of people bailed on that show. If anything Scott Adkins has the most loyal fanbase, however small.

Dwayne Johnson's Hercules could eat this one for breakfast. I hate when hollywood releases two similiar IP's back to back.

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The budget could be inaccurate, who knows. International audiences might eat it up or it could end up like 2011's Conan - $48 million worldwide on a $90 million budget. I think the latter is more likely.

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"International audiences might eat it up or it could end up like 2011's Conan - $48 million worldwide on a $90 million budget. I think the latter is more likely."

Turns out the film did even worse than you predicted---after four weeks in release, it's made 19.85 million worldwide. That's an abysmal performance, considering the production budget. This is already played out theatrically, and there's no chance it will come anywhere close to breaking even when television/DVD sales are taken into account.

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The visual effects look very unfinished. I don't know if they are or not, but it's possible they could improve for the actual movie.

That being said, this movie looks cheap as hell. This is because it was shot poorly. It looks so obviously digital, on the level of a high-budgeted student film. We're talking about an independent movie here, so I can understand a lower level of professionalism, but this is distracting for a period piece. It comes off so phoney. Period pieces like this need a certain level of antiquity to the style of the visuals, and an obvious digital look really clashes with that. 300 was nicely stylized to counteract the highly digitized look and there was such a high-level of detail that it still had a richness to the visuals.

This movie was shot with the Red Epic. It's a capable camera that offers an impressive resolution and dynamic range, but for some reason it looks very digital. Especially when it doesn't have the production value to make up for it. The Hobbit was shot with the same camera, and it did have a noticeably digital look at times. But the production value compensated and made most of the film still feel high-quality.
They would have been better suited to either use film, or if they had to go digital, then the Arri Alexa. It's a much more filmic camera. It's the one they shoot Game of Thrones with.



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Hercules the Legend Begins more like the Clash of the Titans Remake hate *beep* and had a assbaby with 300 on the budget of a Sparticus episode.

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How anybody could give Renny Harlin any sort of budget boggles my mind totally.

But yeah, Kellan Lutz is not an established name. I don't think I've seen him in anything so can't really comment on his skills but judging from the trailer this movie is not going to be anything to write home about.

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Marketing budgets are pretty much never covered in teh listed budget of the movie for anything. That's why the "2xBudget = Boxoffice Success" rule exists. Because it's long been established that the marketing budget is usually equal to the listed budget.


Actually, the reason why that rule exists, is because it is generally believed that distributors get about 50% of the Box Office gross, with the second half going to the exhibitors, or the cinemas.

Therefore the correct "rule" would be production budget + P&A x 2 = breakeven point.

However, it is not quite that simple, since according to several industry sources, distributors usually get a lion's share of the gross in the first week, something like 75%, with the percentage decreasing each week, for example second week it's 65%, the third week 55% etc. etc., and the average being roughly 50%, depending on how long the movie runs and what kind of deal the distributor has made with the theaters.

Also it's important to remember that The Legend of Hercules is an independently produced film, with it's distribution rights sold to different distributors all around the world.
Lionsgate only bought the domestic rights, so they have to cover the price of the acquisition and whatever they spent on P&A before they break even.
They will most likely not reach that point with the Box Office gross, but might if the movie sells well on DVD/Blu-Ray/VOD/Television etc.

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Cinema don't make anywhere near 50% of the gross. That is why they charge so much for other items at the concession stand. They only receive a small percentage the first 2 weeks and the percentage they receive goes up weekly the longer the film runs but it caps around 30-35%. The first two weeks a movie is released the cinema only makes about 10-15% of the ticket sales. That is part of the reason a big first and second weekend is important to studios is because that is when they get the most back.

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yes it's typo

Millennium Films said it made and financed the 3-D action adventure for $40 million, although others familiar with the project said the budget was substantially higher.

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