Did they deserve it? - Eden Lake (2008) Discussion

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

Why should they turn it down? Their place, their rules. The yuppies were from hundreds of miles away, the kids were locals.

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[–] DaveFishBulb 15 years ago

So you wouldn't mind if I killed you as long as I did it in my own street?

When the door goes down blow the bulbs.

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

You've missed the point.

And I doubt I'd visit your street.

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[–] DaveFishBulb 15 years ago

Was merely pointing out the bottom-line flaw in your logic. I see your point and it's just too absurd to dissect but it seems i need to.

Do those kids own a deed to that land or something? No. Therefore they have no right to noise-pollute and like I posted before, the guy asked nicely at first only to be responded to with extreme rudeness. Also, the couple were there first, a minor fact but holds a lot more value than who's parent's house is nearest.

And wtf is all this about 'yuppies'? Do you live in an episode of 'Only Fools and Horses'. It doesn't matter what morally irrelevant label you choose for the characters, they were portrayed as very kind and decent human beings and did not deserve the treatment they got at any stage of the film. The kids an the townspeople in general displayed less morals than a pack of gorillas.

So while knowing all this - I can't possibly see how a person's locality even begins to excuse what happened and how it escalated.

When the door goes down blow the bulbs.

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

Enough with the keyboard chicken-warrior personal abuse - or do you want yet more of your posts removed?

Clearly you missed every single nuance of the film; for example re 'yuppies' you failed to notice what was written on the back of the sign for the new development at the entrance to the area. This film pays off in full *only* for people who can pay attention - go watch it again.

As for 'morality', you are simply reflecting the morality of the yuppies (and getting even that wrong!) - the kids had morals too; they protected each other when threatened, retaliated when attacked, and were prepared to kill in order to protect each other. That's the same 'morals' as our troops in Basra, isn't it? What do you think would happen to a local Iraqui who stabbed the company mascot dog to death?

Go look up 'allegory' before you attempt some low-brow reply, and consider the various clues waiting for you in the film. I'll even give you some help: e.g. the long journey of hundreds of miles the 'yuppies' took in a 'Jeep' at the start(geddit yet?), the way they ignore the padlocked fence and find another route into the 'territory', the way they recklessly drive fast through rough ground when they first arrive, the reluctance of the first person they meet on the territory to speak to them (because they're 'strangers'), the arrogance of their staking the best spot on the beach and then expecting it to remain 'theirs', the arrival of the local child militia and their early tactics (e.g. the bottle 'IED' disabling the Jeep), the skilled use of terrain and primitive transport by the kids (still not got it yet?), the gradual switch in the balance of power as the kids' tactics and strategy succeed (prevent their mobility through denial of transport, use supposed friendlies to lure them into traps, divide the opposing forces etc etc). I mean how many more clues do you need? And finally, of course, the locals win. As they always will.

A good film. But probably not for those who are used to something more lightweight.......

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[–] DaveFishBulb 15 years ago

Someone clearly isn't playing fair here so since you didn't deny any of my speculations I'll just conclude that you are genuinely evil and leave it at that.

When the door goes down blow the bulbs.

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[–] Moviefreak4653 15 years ago

They didn't deserve it at all, that's what makes this film so sad but true. It's always the innocent ones. First off it wasn't there beach true, but it wasn'tthe kids' beach either, therefore it was just as much their beach as it was Jenny and Steve's. BTW: I don't think they were suppose to be in the area eragardless. Even if the kids were pissed at them being there it gave them no right to act like little ba+tards. As far as I'm conserned they were just sticking up for themselves never really in the end disrupting them, only when they accidentally killed their dog which they had coming.

F+ck me gently with a chainsaw.
-Heathers

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

It *was* the kids' beach - *they* were the locals, the yuppies were the invaders. Worse still, the invaders then started trying to tell the locals how to behave.

Then it escalated, in a perfectly understandable way......

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[–] WellAtLeastShesDead 15 years ago

I cant understand your explanation, why they deserved it. The world is not a f**ing warzone. There are no 'invaders'.

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[–] whookie 15 years ago

HEY! watch it. this is michaeldecker's thread, agree with him or he will rape and kill you! THIS IS WAR PEOPLE! STEP INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S 6 INCH PARAMETER AND YOU ARE DEAD!

W- what's that? you had your own opinion and found michaeldecker's opinion stupid? WELL DON'T BE SAYING NOTHING IN HIS THREAD BECAUSE HE WILL KILL YOU! HIS THREAD YOU !@#$!%#%#^#%!@@$#!@#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

yeah that's right! you don't be coming up in this message board disagreeing with michaeldecker!

By the way, I'm making fun of you michaeldecker. :)

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[–] goldpink23 9 years ago

@whookie. 

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[–] wim_mols 9 years ago

Haha! Great comment!

Thank you for brushing against my prick. Al Swearengen

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[–] jsw22289 13 years ago

LOL you sir, are an idiot.

"Pain Transforms The Sensitive Into Cynics"

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[–] spartacrust 13 years ago

Escalated in a perfectly Understandable way? I'd hate to be living in your little bog soft-lad.

If you wish to subscribe to the gang mentality, thats up to you, but don't try to pass it off a either logical/understandable or acceptable.
Still it has served to warn me not to bother reading any more of your totally childish crap.

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[–] michaeldecker 13 years ago

What is perfectly understandable to some, will not be understandable to you. I imagine this happens to you a lot.

You won't like this film, because it doesn't fit the 'goodies win, baddies die' paradigm. Why not settle down instead with the Die Hard trilogy and whoop and holler at the screen every time there's a big explosion and a baddie dies....

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[–] Sherrywhite85 13 years ago

it doesn't fit the 'goodies win, baddies die' paradigm

But according to you it did fit that paradigm. To you the chavs were the good guys who owned the land by default, and the "yuppies" the naughty invaders.

Contradiction much?

"Meryl Streep could play Batman and be the right choice; she's perfection"

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[–] michaeldecker 13 years ago

>>it doesn't fit the 'goodies win, baddies die' paradigm
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>But according to you it did fit that paradigm. To you the chavs were the good >guys who owned the land by default, and the "yuppies" the naughty invaders.

>Contradiction much?

I think you've missed the whole point of the film. Go watch it again and see if you can figure out for *yourself* who are the goodies and who are the baddies; see how the writer plays with your mind by blurring the distinction? See how the white hats and the black hats change from side to side? See how it doesn't fit the standard paradigm? (You won't)

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[–] MovieKnut 13 years ago

It *was* the kids' beach - *they* were the locals, the yuppies were the invaders. Worse still, the invaders then started trying to tell the locals how to behave.

You are 100% correct. You come into my street, it's perfectly OK for me to react to you in any way that I see fit. You are, after all, the interloper.

You can't palm off a second-rater on me. You gotta remember I was in the pink!

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[–] msmsmanu 10 years ago

Hi, Michael.

Although a few years late, I was just wondering if you're from Yorkshire.

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[–] ZiadSaliba 10 years ago

get help dude

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[–] creepingNikita 8 years ago

So by your reckoning, I am perfectly entitled to torture and murder anyone who moves into my street and behaves in a perfectly reasonable way? Are you genuinely serious? Its not Syria, it was a beach beside a lake which anyone can go to and they politely asked for the music to be turned down and were brutally murdered because of it.Those kids were feral and their parents were even worse. You just can't go around torturing and killing people because they encroached in a peaceful way on 'your' land.

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[–] goldpink23 9 years ago

@Moviefreak4653.You said:"only when they accidentally killed their dog which they had coming".Are you saying the dog deserved to be killed? Or the horrible kids deserved their dog to be killed? Either way the dog didn't deserve to be killed.Now those evil terrorizing disrespectful kids are a different story.

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[–] Yukster_uk 14 years ago

deep Michaeldecker, I never saw it like that. They didn't deserve being tortured to death but they provoked the youths. Great film, not a horror movie but a terror movie with some great black comedy in the house party. They hit a bum note with the young couple at the parent's party having sex in the toilet- they'd never be at grown-up's party.
It was really arrogant to drive the 4x4 off road through a beauty spot.
The girl sunbathes in a bikini around creepy teenage blokes, she's going to expect them to be creepy.

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[–] spaced_7 14 years ago

- Torturing Steven with barbed wire and killing him
- Burning a like-10-year-old child alive
- Attempting to burn a woman alive and burning her husband's corpse in front of her
- Someone kicking their best friend to death(?) for trying to phone someone about it.
- Filming it all on a phone

That is necessary for the killing of their dog in self defense?

Locals sure get a lot of royalty, don't they?

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[–] butterflyalyssa11 11 years ago

Yeah... OP must be 'cray!

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[–] misstreasure87 13 years ago

What a total sicko. I guess if someone tourist goes to NYC and ends up in the wrong neighborhood they deserve to get shot and robbed right? No sane minded person would agree to anything you said.

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[–] michaeldecker 13 years ago

You're missing the point by a country mile. But, yes, if a couple of out-of-towners went into the projects and walked up to a gang and told them to turn their music down then they're asking to get murdered (not least for being stupid morons).

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[–] sukhideol 13 years ago

michaeldecker, the dog slobbered all over the girl before he told them to turn turn the music off.

Also what do you mean by out of towners? They were visiting a british beauty spot, which they have every right to do. Are you suggesting people should no longer visit Disneyland because that is Mickey and Goofy's hood.

I'm guessing you don't go on holiday and stay in your own town which is proberbly like Royston Vasey out of A League of Gentlemen!

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[–] y_umm_y 12 years ago

after reading this whole thread i must applaud michaeldecker for his trolling. he's really got you all jumping through hoops... that is however, unless he's not trolling and he's actually completely serious... nah.

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[–] georgewright 13 years ago

Oh dear, I hope the OP is joking.

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[–] michaeldecker 13 years ago

I don't think you'd recognise a good argument even if it came up and introduced itself to you, and showed you an identity card with 'Good Argument' on it. I can't be bothered to cover the same points all over again, so I will simply paste the final paragraph of the first post in this ridiculously long thread for you to ponder and point out which bits are incorrect.

"The kids were the locals, the yuppies were the invaders. The escalation was entirely the result of the yuppie trying to show off to his girlfriend by being macho. The moment he touched the volume control was the moment he declared war - which is always a bad idea if you're a) on someone else's territory and b) outnumbered."

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[–] wim_mols 9 years ago

What? JFC! So you are NOT trolling, mr. Michaeldecker? Really NOT, you say? In that case: beware the ones that surround you, and beware those who accidently might bump into you in a crowded street, etc. etc.

Thank you for brushing against my prick. Al Swearengen

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[–] michaeldecker 9 years ago

I'll forgive you this time, because it's Christmas and no doubt you're in your room feeling sad and alone, but it's always best not to post while drunk...

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[–] tobisama 10 years ago

the kids had morals too; they protected each other when threatened, retaliated when attacked, and were prepared to kill in order to protect each other.

My God, did you missed the segment when their leader sets on fire another innocent kid or when he beats to death one of his comrades? Are you nuts saying that they had morals too?

Did you missed also the torturing animals segments?

Nice morals!

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[–] michaeldecker 10 years ago

I'm saying it may be allegorical - American soldiers we now know have behaved *exactly* like this yet will go home and defend their actions as being 'proportionate' or that they 'had' to behave like that.

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[–] wim_mols 9 years ago

You managed to let my jaw drop with disbelief. It's probably best to assume that you're being sarcastic, or, maybe, just funny. If all THAT is not the case, you really wrote down the most ridiculous crap of this year AND the years yet to come. The funniest remark in your reply: "The kids had morals too". Thank for the laughs.

Thank you for brushing against my prick. Al Swearengen

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[–] wim_mols 9 years ago

I totally agree with you DaveFishBulb. The reasoning of the posters before you is completely ridiculous.

Thank you for brushing against my prick. Al Swearengen

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[–] mikeheld123 11 years ago

You are retarded. You're probably like one of theses terrible British kids. What do they call you. Slags? Chavs? I dunno.

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[–] yesfairy 15 years ago

Lets be clear. they deserved the flat tire...
Death, losing each other, torture... give me a *beep* break... No one deserves that except those who commit those crimes. Get real man... and by the way, refer to my other post to get a better understanding on just how idiotic that mentality is.
If it was real life, would they seriously deserve it, then? Or maybe if it were you... use tha brain

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[–] Mugros 15 years ago

They deserved the flat tire?
For what? Asking to turn the music down? Being pissed because the brats let their dog harass the couple?

That's what's wrong with the people today. They don't respect others.

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

Cool your jets, dudes. Clearly you don't understand the psychology behind the actions of these young people, and how well it was captured by the screenwriter.

As for 'they should respect their elders' or somesuch, are you insane? Clearly in your youth *you* might have respected your priest or whatever, but young people today quite rightly think that people should *earn* their respect - why should someone be deferential to someone just because they're older? Should a 30 year old be respectful to a 40 year old? It's nonsense!

Again - good film, well written and executed

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[–] Mugros 15 years ago

Oh yeah, the "psychology" of a bunch of immature kids who just feel strong in a group and start to murder innocent people just for fun.
Well captured reality, indeed.

And who said something about "respecting elders". Are you hallucinating? I'm talking respect towards other people in general, independent of age. This universal moral concept seems to escape you if you think it's ok that the brats rightfully harass other people just because they didn't earn their respect yet. What a bunch of BS.

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

This is probably not your sort of thread - you turned up a little late. And the reply wasn't to you.

But thanks anyway for stopping by.

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[–] goldpink23 9 years ago

@Mugros.Even though you didn't mention respecting your elders.I think they should and I also agree with what you said in this post.

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[–] MovieKnut 13 years ago

why should someone be deferential to someone just because they're older?

Mugros doesn't mention age. They wrote;

They don't respect others.

Not one for letting facts get in the way of a good story, eh?

You can't palm off a second-rater on me. You gotta remember I was in the pink!

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[–] Blackmoon_UK 15 years ago

It's all about consideration for others. Something that is clearly lacking in society. If the gang had said "Sorry mate, we'll keep it down a bit.... we're going soon anyway". Then they could have all enjoyed an afternoon at the lake and nobody would have died.

Clearly, there wouldn't have been a movie in that case, but you see my point?

Steve wasn't showing off to his girlfriend, he was asking nicely for some consideration. He wasn't asking for the response he got. The fault was with the kids. Entirely.

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[–] Gymnastina 15 years ago

Can we please stop with the "yuppies" just say jenny and steve, its quite annoying.

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[–] Blackmoon_UK 15 years ago

I didn't say "yuppies".

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[–] Gymnastina 15 years ago

I know, I'm talking to michael

lol so cheesy

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[–] hungerartist 15 years ago

the "yuppies" didn't deserve it in my opinion because of some concept of "turf". they did however deserve it for being FREAKIN IDIOTS for the majority of the film. after seeing the kids dynamics, they should have known: these kids don't have a gun, and if you take out the leader, chances are youre safe. seriously, grab a weapon. the only time the main guy grabs a weapon is the frickin tire iron, which he then swings at his wife AND MISSES. then he drops it. are you serious? that was just the most frustrating part, him being a full grown man, and letting an unarmed 15 year old push him around. there were plenty of other completely idiotic moves these two made. that made me root for the degenerate kids. and btw, this thread is an OBVIOUS troll job.

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[–] rolandofthewhite 15 years ago

Obvious troll is obvious?

Shouldn't you be worried about your life, instead of that usless peepee of yours?

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[–] Skyway_18 15 years ago

I think most people are of the opinion that no, people who go away for a romantic weekend do not deserve to be tortured to death.

"Cos none of us were angels and you know I loved you, yeah."

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[–] michaeldecker 15 years ago

Well, perhaps you are the sort of person that can ONLY actually carry three possibilities at a time within his head?

And if even the mere contemplation of other possibilities 'scares you too much', maybe you need to address your fear of such things with a qualified professional....

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[–] ad_man_adam 14 years ago

ok i guess you could say he technically started it by going over and turning the volume down but they were intentionally provoking by turning it up when he asked nicely

but deserve to be tortured and killed? for that? no way

its not as if he even killed the guys dog, it jumped and landed on a blade that 1 of the chavs pulled out

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[–] Danie1 14 years ago

I sincerely hope that I do not live anywhere near you.

Touching the volume after asking them politely to give them the opportunity to relax on their mini-vacation should hardly provoke more of a reaction than "don't touch my stereo".

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[–] Blaqkout 14 years ago

lol at OP for thinkin they own the land

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[–] niloo_xp 11 years ago

I agree. But in both cases, you should just ignore them and don't even get into their argument! which is what I am doing: Not reading the rest of this thread.

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[–] notorious_souljah_17 14 years ago

The OP probably has the some sort of up bringing as the gang leader in this film. firstly what did they do so wrong to deserve the horrible acts of violence they endured. the kids were pricks not turning the music down and then stealing the car. then the dog incident could of been advoided but who knows the kids still could of attacked them one way or another. if you put yourselfs in the couple shoes you would ask yourself "what have i done to deserve this"? the answer is nothing. some people are just plain evil.

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