Why is Captain Carter 10 times stronger then Captain America? She was doing stuff in the this cartoon that was up to Thor level. Captain America never came close to this.
shareDid you see the movies? Remember Steve holding a helicopter with one hand or smashing an armored truck by throwing a motorcycle? He absolutely had powers.
shareShe didn't do anything he hasn't done, at least in terms of the amount of strength required. He went toe-to-toe with Thanos, who had 5 Infinity Stones at the time, and was able to hold his arm immobile. Him gots powers.
shareStan Lee says NO
shareSTAN LEE IS CORRECT...AS FAR AS THE COMIC BOOKS ARE CONCERNED...THE MCU IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL WITH DIFFERENT STRIPES.
shareThe super soldier formula gave cap the peak physiology a human can acheive. The formula wore off years ago. Cap stays in tip top form with hard work and clean American values. Thats why a "normal" man like Batrok almost beat him.
These are still action movies, Cap has done nothing that someone like Arnold hasn't done in his movies.
LMAO...MAYBE WATCH THE MOVIES?😂
shareCap did not hold Thanos back in IW. Thanos was amused that a normal man could have such determineation. In end game he had Thors hammer, when he lost the hammer thanos swatted him like a fly.
shareIf you are really trying to make the case that MCU Captain America has no super powers, I highly suggest you go back and rewatch the movies.
He's held a helicopter immobile by grabbing it and hanging onto a rail.
He's run through walls.
He's jumped out of a plane without a parachute.
He broke through an elevator wall, fell about 30 stories, landed on concrete, and got up and walked awayl
In the comic books as well, he's done things like, oh, I don't know, defeat the Hulk in one-on-one combat.
chopper...Arnold has done the same
walls....... its dry wall, I can do that.
Plane........ its been documented men have survived from a plane fall.
The fall...glass cieling broke his fall and he fell on his shield which absorbs all force.
What!? I am an Arnold fan and I do not recall him holding onto a flying chopper while on the ground and keeping it from flying away.
shareTechnically, The Rock did all of that in Hobbs and Shaw. Leaping off building and hitting the ground at full speed, he probably ran through a wall or two, and he definitely held a chopper with like 3 car attached all with one arm.
The difference is, it's completely laughable in those movies since a regular human would be dead as fuck even attempting any of that. Rogers gets a pass since he's pumped full of Super Soldier syrum, so no one minds that he can jump off a five story roof and be fine or sprint 50 miles an hour. He's clearly doing super human shit.
I admit I have never been into the Rock. Sadly my oldest nephew loves the Rock more than Arnold.
shareI love these arguments, because I'm usually the biggest geek in the room, until these start. I will say this: You're All Right. This is (at least partially) because in both the comics AND movies, Cap's feats are *wildly* inconsistent.
I find, however, that this is a discussion that Always misunderstands what the term "peak human" means. Because just about every feat mentioned falls in that category. People tend to either forget, or be unaware of what incredible things the human body can achieve.
Think of it this way: take the winner of the Ultimate Strong Man competition, pair him with Usain Bolt, the mental savvy of Takeda Shingen, the fighting acumen of Cus D'Amato, and the agility of Nikolai Andrianov. Then consider that even THOSE people don't even Really have the sliders all the way up. Essentially, Cap is all of them rolled together, but just a bit Better.
Yeah. THAT guy can do everything mentioned in this thread. "Peak Human" is a *lot* more impressive than people realize.
The comics aside, in the MCU he without question has superhuman powers. The OP is being willfully ignorant on this point.
share. . .Fascinating. It's as if you didn't bother reading Anything I wrote, and decided to reply anyway.
These message boards truly are a wild, bizarre place. . .
Despite the fact that what I wrote directly applied to what you wrote? Let me simplify it for you.
Captain America has fantastical, superhuman powers. He is not just the "peak human," as he does things onscreen that go far above and beyond what any human being is capable of doing.
If that didn't do the trick, maybe you can grasp this:
Cap super strong. Cap hero magic strong. Cap comic book hero not real people person. Him super! He not just peeking human.
Oh, I get it: you're an idiot.
Let me try to dumb it down for You: Just as I said above, Cap isn't presented in the various movies with abilities that could be categorized as "fantastical." The fact that you continue to bleat about "hero magic strong" simply means. . .as I already said. . .you don't understand what "peak human" really means.
Clearer? Of course not; you're a muppet. You can go.
It is well beyond human capability to hold down an airbus AS350, which has 3,000 pounds of lifting capacity.
shareI'm sorry, you are making the case that a "peak human" can do anything in our real world that we've seen Captain America do in films?
shareSigh.
Of COURSE not. Neither would I say that MANY of the displayed feats of the various characters make sense. If you go back and read my first post, I was pretty clear: they're WILDLY inconsistent with what these characters can do. I'm talking about the "supposed" levels, or what's being claimed by the creators.
Maybe it's a subtle distinction. Shrug.
My only real point is: I *guarantee* you we're putting more thought into this than the writers did. So when you point at something that Cap does that's beyond "peak human," that doesn't mean what you think it does. Any more than Spidey getting smacked around, and bouncing through brick walls, and hitting steel so hard it deforms. . .and then getting up and walking away.
There are COUNTLESS cases of heroes exceeding their (supposed) power sets. I'm simply speaking to the *intent* of the writers, however sloppy they are in execution. And also pointing out that people really Do underestimate what "peak human" really is.
In the comics, he has a bit of a healing factor because the super-soldier serum doesn't wear off.
shareEven in the comics, Cap did crazy shit such as carrying his motorcycle on his back while hopping a fence. While the comics used to list him as peak human, that idea has been interpreted differently by different writers. And Stan Lee didn’t create Captain America, so this guy really has no idea what he’s talking about.
shareLee took over for the Captain when he came out of the ice . Along with Kirby who did create him.
shareI know this. My point being that since Stan didn't create the guy, he has no final say. Some Cap stories from the 50's had him flipping a tank, even if those stories haven't been canon for years. Other writers since the Stan and Jack days like Waid, Gruenwald, and Brubacher had Cap punching through walls and stuff.
sharemost walls are made of drywall.
shareYOU AND DRYWALL.🙄
shareI'm talking about solid brick walls. Off the top of my head, he once knocked Punisher through a brick wall after his actions during Civil War Seriously, have you never read a Cap comic?
Here's a respect thread for all his abilities with the first bit being exclusively about his superhuman strength feats:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3in3xe/respect_captain_america_earth_616/
I've seen many fights going through brick walls..like in war movies where the wall has no suport.
shareShow me a war movie in which someone punches a guy through a brick wall.
Also, are you ignoring the link I posted? You can see Cap fighting Hulk, ripping a robot apart, knocking a missile out if the air, etc.
Well, even if she got super human powers, it would still be lower than a super human man's in terms of human structure. Like if you compared a body building man with a body building woman you can still see a different in muscle mass/bone density. I just don't get how a female getting the same powers will make them equal in power strength.
shareReading this made me wonder: Can she give birth to super babies now?
Also, Is it established in the comics whether the super-soldier serum has any hereditary effects?
Oddly enough, I can't think of a single baby born from a super soldier in the comics.
shareI wonder if the Super Soldier serum might just make its user infertile.
shareMCU Cap is definitely a lower-level superhuman.
shareI should've just answered with this but in Stan Lee's very first solo Captain America comic not too long after a lot of Marvel's popular characters were first created, Stan Lee had a bunch of regular human guys trying to take on Captain America because "He's just a normal guy who doesn't have superpowers." You want to know what happened? He instantly defeated them all. Actually that was a big thing when he first came back out of the ice. Villains would foolishly think that and then get beaten up by him.
shareThat british spy movie a agent killed a hundred people inside a church
shareI thought the same thing, Ray. How the hell is she so strong. Cap has no superpowers, unless I missed some "typical origin update" that comics like to do. He's just a dude with super abilities and MCU has got people thinking he's got superpowers. They're portraying him as he really wasn't.
But if that's the way Disney/MCU wants to show it, I guess it's on them. But they should leave Cap in all of his originality. that's what made him the great character he is.
The comics have been showing him doing crazy shit since the 40’s.
At any rate, the movies certainly show him doing superhuman acts that are no different than what we saw in the first episode.
HE IS A SUPER-HUMAN...THUS HE HAS SUPERHUMAN POWERS...NOT GOD LIKE OR GOD POWERS...BUT SUPER-HUMAN.
"Superhuman Strength: Rogers' strength is immensely superhuman far beyond the peak of human potential. Rogers has displayed moderate levels of superhuman strength, His incredible strength allows him to physically overpower combatants, including elite-trained humans, extraterrestrial troops, and robot sentries. He can effortlessly bend metal bars, slam through solid walls and reinforced glass, and pry open steel doors, and briefly hold back an accelerating helicopter. In combat, his immense strength allows him to send enemies flying several meters in the air from mere punches and kicks. He can even generate enough force to have his shield pierce the metal frame of a Quinjet. However, his strength is absolutely no match against the likes of Hulk and beings from other realms, such as Loki and Thor, who possesses god-like strength, even when he was able to briefly hold Loki at bay when the latter only trying to get him to submit. "
Source?
shareIt is worth noting that his use of his shield as an offensive weapon, imo, only made sense if you assumed superhuman strength and agility and control.
The idea of a freaking TRAINING MONTAGE being all that the Falcon needed to start doing the same shit, is....
just NO.
John Walker used it before he had super strength.
shareHe has done nothing that arnold and other action stars have done.
shareI BELIEVE YOU MEANT "HAVEN'T DONE"...OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH...I DISAGREE...DUDE IS A SUPER SOLDIER WITH SUPER POWERS.
shareTrue. I don’t recall a movie in which Arnold throws a motorcycle, let alone throws a motorcycle hard enough to smash an armored vehicle.
shareArnold ripped a phone booth from the ground with a man in it and threw it.
shareLOL
shareTalking about Commando? He didn't throw the guy, he just dumped the phone booth over to force the guy on the ground. And a motorcycle weighs several times more than a man, phone booth or not. Also, Arnold did not throw anything hard enough to fuck up an armored vehicle.
See for yourself:
https://youtu.be/YcSXHU0zktM?t=50
VS
https://youtu.be/gsWyLwj6r2k?t=110
Cap is clearly several magnitudes stronger than Arnold's character.
Because Cap is peak human and works out harder.
sharehe straight arm the same guy over a cliff!
shareThen why did Batrock almost beat him?
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