I gave 'Megamind' a 4 out of 5 instead of 5 out of 5 because of 'Titan'

"Before Hal was transformed into Titan, he was just a pathetic nerd, who said a few nasty things, after being rejected by Roxie. But once he became Titan, first he became a stalker and then eventually proclaimed that he was over his infatuation and was out to kill her. I realize that once he was injected, all of Hal's bad points were magnified to the point where he became a psychopath. But why was that? Why couldn't Hal remain the goofy nerd, even after Megamind injected him? Everything else in the movie was FUN, but once Titan turned into who he was, things weren't much fun anymore."

I think there are a lot of sad/dark undertones in this movie that we may not catch, what about when Megamind gives up with stopping Titan and says "I'm going home." but is actually putting himself in prison? Hal is the nerd who just needed the guidance, but from what I see, he is just using Roxanne as an excuse. He´s always trying to impress her by making stuff up, like when he said he beat up like 50 ninjas, the guy was ALWAYS neurotic, the thing is, and I kinda like the movie more so now that I've thought of this, Hal is that nerd who is secretly a psychopath but we just don't see it, to paraphrase Jack Nicholson in Anger Management:

There are 2 kinds of angry people, one is the customer shouting at the cashier for messing up, the other is the cashier who takes insults and comments day in and day out until, finally, he shoots everyone in the store.

Now I know Hal isn't that guy that gets beat up all the time (he looks like it, but we never see it and I don't think its ever brought up.) but Hal believes the world works a certain way, he probably always knew Roxanne would never go for him the way he is, so when he gets superpowers, he really believes Roxanne will fall for him, but when that doesn't happen, he thinks Roxanne is being a bitch and doesn't take no for an answer, it weren't the powers that set Hal over the edge, it was being rejected by Roxanne, but Roxanne isn't the pretty girl who rejects him for shallow reasons, Hal was a nice guy, he just was too clumsy and full of himself to get any girl, so when he first got superpowers he tried to act like Romeo appearing before her in on her balcony, but since he is still that clumsy guy, everything he does now is dangerous. Roxanne was frightened by him, and also Hal didn't even give her a chance to talk. The moment she said no was the moment he freaked out, and then when he sees Roxanne with Bernard/Megamind, he chooses to steal. Here Hal's cards are finally on the table, he never cared about people, he just wanted to score with Roxanne because that to him was the only good reason to be a superhero.

I can understand your point, though I disagree with it. If I'm not mistaken, Megamind trained Titan to be a hero, but that's not what Titan wanted, sure, let's say he had explained if it weren't for him Hal would have never gotten superpowers and attacked the city, the point is Hal made the choice of becoming a villain all by himself. Sure that's like giving a troubled teen (without knowing he's troubled) a gun, having that kid go on a killing spree and then stopping him, now would you be held responsible because you gave him the gun? Of course you would be but you also would be condoned for stopping him, and if it was your gun that allowed him to do said atrocities, does that make the teen any less responsible for his crimes? No, he chose to use that gun for that purpose and must face the full repercussions of his actions.

This is adressed between Megamind and Titan:

Titan (about to kill Megamind): this is for space dad making a fool out of me.

Megamind: I made you a hero, you did the fool thing, all by yourself.

Megamind took responsibility by being the one to stop Titan, after all with out Metroman, who else was there? But I also think that you're wrong about Megamind's villainy when compairing it to Titan's.
1. Megamind believe he was a villain simply because that's all he knew, he was never given the chance to prove himself to the world, but the point of the story is that deep down he always wanted to be a hero, or at least accepted.
2. Megamind was surprised about killing Metroman, not because he didn't want to kill him, but because Metroman had escaped his traps so many times that it became routine, and he was just surprised it actually worked, in fact, wasn't he celebrating after it all sinked it?

And I also don't think the Titan formula changed his personality, like I said, at first he was the same goofy guy, but he was out of his mind the whole time, I don't think there should be some substance to turns him evil, like I said, he's just the guy that could snap and kill everybody if pushed one more time, that's simply how I see Hal.

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From a psychological point of view, titan is pretty easy to explain. A great philospher named nietzsche once said "Verily I have often laughed at weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws"

in other words....Hal was only "good" because he was too much of a wimp to be bad.

He had always wanted the girl and was extremely jealous of metroman--and he thought the only reason she liked metroman was his powers...and when he finally got powers and she STILL didn't want him, it basically drove him insane

PS: A lot of the "you don't know me. You've never even had a real conversation with me!" was actually unpleasant.....but only because maybe it hit too close to home. Sometimes women have a way of ignoring nice guys that adore them simply because they don't have enough charisma or whatever, or just are not attractive.

Edit: Also I have to mention, I've seen you say a few times that Hal becoming bad doesn't make sense and is 1 note and all that but really it all comes down to this old saying of "Power corrupts--and absolute power corrupts absoltely"

A lot of people in this world are only nice because society forces them to be, if suddenly any average human we're given superman like powers...you'd be surprised how many of them would abuse the hell out of it and make themselves king of the world.

I know this is an exceedingly late reply but I want to say something - though I personally didn't find Titan's crazy to be out-of-the-blue I can see how someone else could, and won't fight you on that; however, I COMPLETELY disagree with the idea that Hal as a villain is one-dimensional.

The idea that Hal was inherently bad from the start is, you're right, not a good explanation. And, to be fair to the film, it isn't really the explanation given. Though Hal was giving off creeper vibes from the start ("I'll be watching you like a dingo watches a human baby"/"And I hired a wedding photographer [for the party], y'know, in case anything happens" etc.) he was always portrayed as harmless and lovelorn, and I'll admit that for the first bit of the movie I felt kinda bad for him. Like the rest of Western society I have been conditioned to view slightly-creepy-geeks in the media as cute and endearing, since they only want to "romance" the girl of their dreams and don't know how to go about it. The "dogged nice guy geek" is a very prominent archetype in the media and has been so for decades. That's why Hal as the villain is so perfect, in my opinion--the movie sets him up to BE this "dogged nice guy geek" archetype we all know so well. We know he isn't going to get the girl, because Megamind shows an interest in Roxanne pretty early on (though it's subtle) and starts off the movie by mentioning "the girl of [his] dreams". So we laugh at Hal's slapsticky antics and his goofiness, become somewhat endeared to him, and feel a little sad that he's going to be going home empty-handed and broken-hearted.

Then the injection happens. Hal continues to be a bit creepy and possessive of Roxanne and though the audience may cringe or giggle at this we don't think much of his behaviour. We, like Megamind, think that this is the opportunity for Hal to become more, to be given the chance to rise up and be a hero, to get attention, to get the girl (though by this point I think we're all hoping it's a girl who isn't Roxanne). But what's the first thing out of Hal's mouth when "Space Dad" comes a-knocking and he assumes he's there to rob him? "The lady across the hall has WAY better stuff than me!!!"

That line may be shrugged off as a joke, but in the end THIS is the moment that the audience realizes that Hal is NOT entirely a good guy. Sure, he may be sympathetic, harmless, a bit geeky, and seemingly nice to people he likes (Roxanne), but he has been shown throughout the film to also be possessive, entitled, and cowardly. This in and of itself doesn't make him a bad person--flawed, maybe, but not BAD. It's with the "Lady across the hall" line that we see the first hint of his true colours; when the chips are down, he has no qualms about doing whatever it takes to save his own hide, and clearly couldn't care less about the well-being of others. He is, on top of being creepy and possessive, incredibly selfish and self-absorbed. This a good hero does not make.

From the start of the Space Dad training montage, Hal makes it clear from his gaze down at the picture of Roxanne that winning her via his powers is the only reason he wants to be superhuman. He doesn't care about being a hero, or using his powers for good--he only cares about using them for his own ends, and at that moment, Roxanne is the end he wants. To cap this all off, he doesn't seem to care about what she wants or what she's like; he's attracted to her, but just as she doesn't know him very well outside of being her cameraman, whose to say he knows her any better? He wants her, because he wants her, not because he knows or loves her. During the scene where Roxanne rejects his invite to his "party for two", he shows that he has a great capacity for anger and self-loathing, which is pitiable but also pathetic, and shows why he doesn't really actively pursue Roxy outside of a few creepy come-ons. Before the injection he was simply a slightly creepy "dogged nice guy geek" pining after a pretty girl. Once he gets his powers, not only does he assume that he is suddenly worthy of Roxanne, he feels like he DESERVES her.

To go back to his selfishness, once he is rejected by Roxanne (while he has powers) he decides to take out his anger by engaging in villainy. He does this because he was spurned by a woman, not because he fell into a vat of acid and was horribly scarred, not because he watched his family killed, or because he was tortured and spurred towards revenge, or any of the "cliched" villain backstories--no, he was simply rejected by ONE woman, a woman who had never at any point shown any romantic interest in him. This goes back to his self-loathing, anger, and sense of entitlement--he saw Metroman get everything he wanted, seemingly because of his powers. Presumably, he also saw (in the media) the "nice guy" finish first by virtue of being "nice" and geeky. He thinks he is now entitled to do whatever he wants due to his new abilities. His anger and his newfound ability to take it out in whatever way he pleases is what leads him to hurl the bus at Roxanne, who is, in his mind, the cause of all his anguish. And if you look at the path that drove him there, it isn't really that much of a stretch.

Hal is hardly a one-dimensional character--from the way you phrase it, you seem to mean one-dimensional in the sense that he doesn't appear to have any good in him by the end. But his character arc clearly shows his humanity leaving him and his negative traits encompassing more of him through the process of the plot. It's true that he isn't fun or funny once we see what he's truly capable of, and this is because of the way the film plays on our expectations and our preconceived archetype of the "dogged nice guy geek". We laugh at him when he is weak and pathetic, we sympathize with him when he doesn't get the girl, but it isn't until rewatching the film or analyzing what you just saw that you can really see the hints as to his negative side. He let his anger and frustration at the world get the better of him. Hal, like anybody, is probably redeemable, but as it stands nobody really tried to redeem him, because nobody (including the audience) saw any reason for him to be redeemed... until it was far too late.

Another way to look at it is if you gave superpowers to a child, what would happen? Hal was physically an adult, but emotionally a child. It turned out like that Twilight Zone episode, where the little boy had powers, and he basically sent anyone he didn't like "to the cornfield". Apparently, all of the world except for the town he lived in got sent to the cornfield.

Let me see if this helps you out. Lots of times in this world, people will not show their true colors, not until they have the upper hand on a situation. Once given an opening they feel comfortable with, that's when they strike! As for Hal, he never really felt like he could do anything about his plight in life, until Megamind accidentally gave him super powers. Then he felt he could do anything he wanted and act any way he wanted, with no repercussions.

Example: It's the same way with airline highjackers. You never know their true intention until they have the perfect opening and they take over the plane. Then they are in control.

Same with Minion. You never really knew how he felt about being treated poorly by Megamind, until he had the upper hand posing as the warden.

The whole point was to see a person such as a harmless Hal evolve into someone sinister right before your eyes, unexpectedly. I mean, look at the Sandy Hook school mass murderer if you need a real life example.