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Why all the hate for this film?


I have just watched it for the first time and i have to say that i found it amazing.Having read some of the threads on here the level of hate is truly shocking.This is one the cleverist films i have seen in ages.I feel i have to stick up for this film as from what i've read there are alot of stupid people out there who clearly did not understand the ending or even the premise of the film,i am not going into details as i could be here all night but i would like to say this is a excellently directed and acted film which is truly thought provoking and in my opinion should be highly praised instaed of widely criticised.Source code is a brilliant film and i would definitely recommend it to anyone one who likes clever sci-fi films that make you think and use your brain.

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Agree. I don't think it's great, but very good. A solid 8/10 for me.
A lot of complaints seem to be about believability, or the inner workings of abstract premises. I question how any of these people get through an episode of Star Trek.
I think the problem is that some people are trying to rationalise it and work it out with logic. But this movie is closer to fantasy or pure fiction than hard science fiction. It's not claiming to be real or possible. Just like Inceptions dream machine or the Back to the Future time machine. You just have to go with it. The premise is just a means to tell a story and bring up some interesting questions. Don't overthink the inner workings of the science or technology because it does not work. It never will. It's fiction.

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Just a minor nitpick...if 8/10 is good not great for you then what is great? I think 7-8 is great and 9-10 is perfect or as close to perfect as a movie can get.

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Everyone has their own scoring system, you cannot dictate what people score

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Some people even think a 6 classifies a good, which I don't agree with. This is how I score myself:

1. This movie sucks 1 million cocks.
2. There was ONE/two good thing/s about this movie! ONE/two!!!
3. Well, at least they had a good actor.
4. Has very cringe-worthy moments and maybe a lousy ending too, but not everything about the movie is bad.
5. Dissapointing.
6. Passable, nothing special.
7. Okay, may have minor flaws though.
8. Good.
9. Great.
10. MOTHERFÛCKING EXCELLENT!!!

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I like your scoring method, even though I'm among the people who you disagree with, here's mine:

10. Speechless... what an absolute masterpiece! It has left an indelible imprint in my mind.
9. Sublime work of art, just one or two details made it miss the perfect mark.

8. Great film, will remember it for a long time, even though it's not quite top class.
7. very good, had a terrific time, but nothing I haven't seen before.

6. Pretty good entertainment, but definitely a little silly!
5. Mediocre, but still in the limits of watchable if bored...

4. Most of it was just plain dumb! But it had some passable parts.
3. If not for that one decent idea/actor(ress) it would have been complete garbage!

2. Finally the torture is over! Damn that was awful!
1. If Hell exists... I'm sure everyone who worked on this horrible turd have a secure spot in it...

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...so...only incestual porn rates a 10? Okay, it's your system....

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8 is good? Your rating criteria is terrible.

Mine:

1 - Disaster
2 - Terrible
3 - Very Bad
4 - Bad
5 - Enjoyable
6 - Good
7 - Very good
8 - Great
9 - Perfect
10 - Masterpiece

But, I am so strict with my rating criteria that none of the movies I rated so far deserved more than eight. And those who I rated eight really amazed me. Source Code found it's place there.

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Hey, no need to call it terrible. We all have different ideas of ranking. Personally I don't really understand how a 5/10 movie is enjoyable.

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I've considered calling it 'Average' as 1-4 are negative ratings and 6-10 are positive ratings. Since 5 is in the middle, I wanted to call it 'Average' meaning that movie is eventually good and bad. But, then I came on an idea to call it 'Tolerable'. I was doing some rethinking whole the time, negotiating between 'Average' and 'Tolerable', but I've decided to name the rank 'Enjoyable' because my ratings are strict already. I simply couldn't feel good if I would rate some movie 5/10 whilst considering that movie is either tolerable or average. 5/10 is in my opinion movie which I enjoyed, meaning that movie could have been definitely much better and it lacks many things to receive a higher rating. Still, I may do some rethinking once again, now that you mentioned that rating I may have to do something to change it. But, as I am strict in rating movies I don't want to be strict with giving a rank too much of negative meaning, which in that case, I'll have to give all movies which I rated 5/10 higher rating which will ruin my whole rating criteria.

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Lol I agree. Bottom line is that it's a MOVIE peeps, almost every movie is unrealistic.

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"I think the problem is that some people are trying to rationalise it and work it out with logic. But this movie is closer to fantasy or pure fiction than hard science fiction. "

Yup. Most science fiction is "soft" anyway, especially in visual mediums. Hard SF really only works in print form, and even then most of the best science fiction authors aren't "hard" SF - Bradbury, Vance, Wolfe, Dick, Simmons, Le Guin, Banks, Harrison, Ellison, etc. There's room for both hard and soft science fiction. Science fiction would be pretty boring if we were only allowed to do things within the realms of possibility. You'd have no Back to the Future, Terminator, Star Wars, etc. Good science fiction doesn't let the science get in the way of telling a story. The science should help you tell your story, not limit your possibilities.

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Good points!

I wish that more people could understand..This idea of alternate universes is theoretical science and the Source Code machine is impossible today...But who knows many years from now...For example, 10,000 years ago the idea of a Television seemed ridiculous and impossible, but today it's totally accepted and utilized having been invented in the early 1900's. In order to make a story about science fiction, it has to be fiction and might be unbelievable...Of course it's nice if it makes some kind of logical sense following from the fictional premise in the movie. I believe that this science fiction concept did just that! I thought that the story was brilliantly thought out.

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It's enjoyable with at least two major mistakes (the "I knew he's a keeper" line near the beginning, and not ending the film at the freeze fame but with a *creepy* Hollywood ending) that significantly lowered the value of the rest of the film. I wouldn't say "brilliant", but the acting was really good.

As for plot holes, I agree some people are too picky. But the truly brilliant films find a way to sidestep those questions or make it obvious what needs to be taken for granted.

Source Code instead plays a bit fast and loose with the laws of its own universe, especially with the ending, and tried way too hard to justify them. When you try to defend those holes, you make them obvious and unavoidable, and valid grounds for arguments.

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Wholeheartedly agree. Not really noticed it before but heard Mark Kermode mention it the other day. I really liked the way that it was intentionally confusing and frustrating with each reload early on but then the audience caught on as did JG's character. I remember feeling similarly disorientated when watching Moon.

I agree that it contains many revised elements of longstanding sci-fi; Quantum Leap, Groundhog Day, Robocop but it entertained and intrigued me and I thought the pay off was worth it.

Watched in the comfort of my own home but would have felt it was money well spent if I'd caught it at the flicks.

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Trust me, people love this movie way more than hate.Don't fooled by one board trash taalking.It's 7.5 and more than 200,000 people voted.


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I'm only going to be a little bit mean as you've accused the detractors of this film of being 'stupid', but I have to say...
Your post is full of grammatical and spelling errors from start to finish. You think you're the intellectual heavyweight who understands this film and other people are stupid? Might it be the other way round? Just maybe?

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Grammatical errors don´t make a person stupid, nor does it mean a person is stupid. It´s just a case of the person may be lazy to a certain amount.

Anyway, piss off Colfer, you´re a prick.


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Oh really? What do your errors say about you? Pretty strong indication, I reckon... as is unwarranted hostility.

I didn't hate this film. I just strongly object to the idea that anyone who found fault with it is 'stupid'. It really made very little sense, fun as it was.

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This is a fantastic piece of cinema, engaging from start to end. Movie goers have to suspend belief when watching movies like this. I could not fault it 1 little bit, and its far better than Moon.

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It really made very little sense, fun as it was.
One of the things I like about this film is that it does make sense. 80-90% of sci-fi films are illogical or anti-scientific, but this one is not. The thing is, it plays quite cleverly with a concept from physics known as the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, or perhaps more often as the "parallel worlds theory". There are lots of threads here where people are complaining that the film doesn't make sense, and in every single case that I have seen, it is obvious that the complainer either failed understand that the film was based on parallel worlds theory (most of them think the train world is either a computer simulation or an exploration of a dead person's reconstructed memories), or failed to grasp the implications of the theory as they might apply in this scenario.

I'm sure it's unfair to say all these people are stupid - after all, anyone can make a mistake - but I can see where the OP is coming from.

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Hello matey.

Just so you know where we stand, I am by no means stupid. I could list my various achievements and accreditations but I don't like to brag. Please, just take my word for it.

The only one I'll mention is my degree in Physics with Computing, which covered quantum mechanics in some depth.

Please explain to me how 'the train world' can possibly be a parallel world, and not the computer simulation that we're told and shown, constantly, that it is. I'm open to the possibility, if you can make it work for me.

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Don't understand why people need to "prove" themselves to the essentially anonymous populace of the internet.

You feel compelled to mention that you've numerous achievements and accreditations, specifically listing one degree, and appended a dubious disclaimer that you don't want to brag when the existence of these claims in your post is inherently bragging. As a side note, your other posts revolve on minor non-issues, critiquing the OP's English and a somewhat vague insult to another user. People say I'm an arrogant person myself when it comes to flaunting intelligence, yet I'm taken aback by the extreme height of the horse you're riding.
Personally, I just see myself as one who endlessly lectures for others' benefit, like a Shikieiki from Touhou. Speaking of...

If one wants to be perceived as smart for whatever reason, let it show in the quality of thought expressed in one's post.
You don't simply list off or mention various academic achievements. It's not just pointless in regards to validity, it's a sad and forced way to gain respect. Saying something like "take my word for it" adds detriment. Recall that you're trying to prove yourself to (in regards to you) random nobodies with this forced tactic, an already silly concept, but you're trying to get them to take your words at face value; you, who would also appear as a random nobody to everyone else.

Know that this is the internet, Colfer. I don't know how experienced you are communicating through it, but you're clearly not understanding key points about it. We don't just read everyone's posts in forums and take them all as the truth. Only the naive and idiots do that. If you, a supposed person of intelligence, gets off on boasting to the ignorant and stupid, then I'm not sure what to say (and just to be clear to others, this is a hypothetical scenario. I'm not implying anyone here is stupid). A proper intellectual would try to hold conversations as normal or, failing that, take it elsewhere. These conversations would be limited to just the point at hand, without useless fluff like how smart you are and how many certifications you have. Ideal compositions would simply contain irrefutable facts or thoughts and opinions with sound reasoning, advancing the debate. The other party would ideally follow suit and not detract with pointless comments.

Incidentally, attacking someone directly based on something trivial, like bad spelling, is a big no no in more ways than one. You attack the point, not the person (e.g. You don't go and say, "Your grammar is bad, so you're stupid and that's all I need to say to be 'right'"). You shouldn't care less about the way someone expresses their point, so long as it is a good point. I admit in my younger years, I spent more time on types of ad hominem than actually constructing good responses, but I discovered how silly that was. Having a post which brings question to one's validity of argument simply based on their spelling and grammar is as nonsensical and superficial as doing the same in a formal environment where the speaker is in casual clothing. Sure, it's jarring, but again, the manner of delivery is irrelevant as long as you can get the point across. Of course, if the delivery is -so- bad, like if you're unsure if the writer is typing his thoughts or mashing the keyboard, then it's understandable to question the writer.

Now, if the other person has a bad point or one that you find disagreeable, as is the case most of the time, same rules apply. Take the OP's (James) comments and your reply, for example. James liked the movie. He thought it was clever and thoughtful. He also made an assumption that people who didn't like it were stupid and couldn't comprehend the film. Naturally, that was an unneeded addition to his point. If I were to reply, I'd probably ignore that part, since I know I dislike people who go through -my- compositions and nitpick on a tiny little thing, ignoring the big picture. Else, I'd reply as normal and do a "P.S." calling him out with something simple like, "Don't generalize people you disagree with as simply stupid." Your reply consisted of the following, in order:

1) A pointless disclaimer.
2) An attack on James' spelling/grammar. It wasn't even that bad, compared to the horrors I've seen in my time.
3) An attack on James, employing sarcasm (for lack of a better word).
4) Another attack on James, via a rhetorical question.
5) Another rhetorical question with the same intent, but mainly there to ensure the snide tone.

When broken down to these basic elements, anyone can see this was not a quality post. Sure, your ability to write properly is nice, but anyone with sense would take from that post the same thing they'd take from childish, grade-school "yo mama" jokes or something. Utter garbage. Please review the topic at hand and your posts. Simplified, the topic is "I think Source Code is brilliant". Your stance, I gather, is that it's a nonsensical, yet entertaining film; however, across all of your comments you have the vast majority of your words dedicated to attacking others and bluntly presenting yourself as an intellectual. You spend no words explaining the reasoning behind your opinion. You just lazily state your opinion and end it at that. Pinxit has a marvelously thoughtful reply, the epitome of what I like to see in a debate. Your reply to that (and this is where I couldn't help but put my palm to my forehead): boasting, and worse. You ended the post with the laziest, "you might have a point, but keep explaining until I like it" tactic.

I haven't seen your post history, but as presented here, you are the worst type of self-proclaimed intellectual. What type of intellectual, when presented with an idea, has to just sit there and be spoon-fed explanations? Instead of your laughable reply (essentially, "I'm smart and have studied this field of science, but explain it to me"), you ought to have pondered the possibilities yourself! Then, as an intellectual, you should have come back with a counter-argument thoroughly detailing the results of your thoughts. It would compare and contrast the theory of parallel words versus the movie in regards to Pinxit's post. All you came up with, and I hate to put words in your mouth again, especially another iteration of the same thing (give me some credit when you hardly had any substance to work with), "Well...the movie explicitly shows a simulation, and I'm not willing to explore the possibilities of anything other than that on my own. Please do it for me." Laziness in the highest degree! How could someone be an academic with this line of thinking?
Take some time out of silly stuff like what's shown currently in your posts and put it into meaningful debate about the topic.

Now, I realize the irony of my post, especially since I won't discuss the topic at hand, but for someone apparently so smart, with achievements and accreditations, you are poorly representing that, and I felt the need to give some advice and insight to help improve not just the quality of your replies, but maybe your way of thinking. If you really want to seem smart, put some effort into it.

tl;dr: Anyone who skipped to this is a tool.

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So. Many. Words.

Far more than I've posted in this thread. Some of it interesting, but essentially you've just read what I've posted and made some HUGE leaps to conclusions.

I'm not whatever you want me to be. Look at my post history. Tedious as that will be, it'll take far less time than writing another epic post. I'm not a bad guy, this should become apparent to you. I've never posted anything to brag before, but when three people call me 'stupid' (or whatever) in a row, strange things can happen!

I'll be checking back here for your apology! I know I didn't deserve your bizarre character assassination.

Back on topic:

I'm just genuinely confused as to how this film could make sense. I have no idea how it could. All I've seen are people saying it did, and calling others who didn't see that "stupid" or that they're "failing to understand". There was no real meat to Pinxit's reply, just hinting at others who've questioned it in the past with no detail as to how the film was explained to them.
Copy and Paste me an explanation, or a link to one, that's all I want to see.

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No reply for well over a month. You can't back yourself up so you're just a dick. Bye.

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Lol at "degree dropping" on the internet.
Lol at plothole sniffers who have no clue how to enjoy a film.

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You're end comment made me laugh. I would have read, honestly but I grew tired after reading all the heated commentaries above yours.... i'm a tool :(... :)

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"Matey"?

Well, since you asked so politely, the movie never tells us that the train environment that Colter experiences is a simulation. This is just one of several guesses that Colter makes about what is going on, but he is wrong, which he comes to understand after he gets an explanation from Dr Rutledge in a bit of dialog that runs from about 32:55 to 33:20. The key lines spoken by Dr. Rutledge are near the beginning and near the end of this dialog:

(1) Rutledge: "It's ah, quantum mechanics, parallel calculus, it's very complicated." Colter: "Try me."

and

(2) Rutledge: "Source Code is not time travel; rather Source Code is tme reassignment. It gives us access to a parallel reality..."

In between these lines, Dr. Rutledge explains that the similarity between Colter's brain and the brain of the late Sean Fentriss enables Colter, with the help of Source Code to access the eight minutes of Fentriss' memories prior to death and through that, link into the parallel world. Obviously, this is Sci-Fi magic, but it enables the thought experiment at the heart of this movie's plot, which is based on the concept of parallel worlds - which is a real, current hypothesis in physics.


So, either you weren't quite paying attention when you watched this movie, or you're not quite as smart as you think you are.












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So after all that time the answer is essentially "Sci-Fi magic". I remain disappointed.

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Wow! Did you really just go through I_Pinxit's whole post and pick out the one phrase that would enable you to be disappointed with the outcome?

Every Sci-Fi has "Sci-Fi magic" - otherwise it would be Sci-fact.

Pinxit answered your question

Please explain to me how 'the train world' can possibly be a parallel world, and not the computer simulation that we're told and shown, constantly.

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Try putting spelling or grammatical errors deliberately in a resume or when filling out an application for employment and see where it gets you. You might be able to get a job at Wal-mart or McDonald's.



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You think maybe an intelligent person would know the difference between intellect and knowledge...maybe just maybe? Oh wait, that's right, you didn't say you were intelligent. At least you know you're not..or at least you do now, since an intelligent person would know that there is no direct connection between intellect and grammatical skill, particularly seeing as English and other languages are just "accumulated knowledge" and you have no idea how much time this person has spent attempting to sharpen their grammatical skills.

Yes, indeed, it is you who is the person who is confused about what, and who is "stupid."

You're welcome, that I, like you, was only "a little bit mean."

Sorry, no animals in the discussion hall. You have to dismount your high horse to participate.

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Were you replying to me? If so:

"there is no direct connection between intellect and grammatical skill"

This is the essence of your post. What an absurd statement.

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FYI: Speaking as an English major, I didn't really find many grammatical or spelling errors in the post. Only two spelling errors, and both of them could have been typos. There were a couple of places within the post where a comma would have helped, but these omissions didn't hinder the meaning at all. I find a couple of grammatical errors in your own post, as well. Perhaps you ought to make sure you know what you're talking about before you post something.

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No personal defense, but I hate people who proclaim their majors when it comes to a specific topic as if it makes their comments or ideas more relevent.

I personally cheated my way through highschool English because I never read the boring books and just copied off the person next to me everytime we had a quiz. This worked out for we had to "pass your work to a neighbor" for the answers, and if I got one wrong they let me change it. Ultimately, after the test was over, the teacher spent 20-30 minutes discussing what was going on in the book and all I ahd to do was listen.

Of course, when the finals rolled arounad and I got a better grade than my friend who actually read the material wasn't exactly pleased.

Despite all of this, I have constantly outdebated English majors, journalists, and editors over grammatical issues.

Sorry, I simply find it annoying that people with degees in a subject suddenly think they are smarter than everyone else, particularly concerning the subject they had a major in compared to someone who doesn't.

Sorry, no animals in the discussion hall. You have to dismount your high horse to participate.

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I hate people who proclaim their majors when it comes to a specific topic as if it makes their comments or ideas more relevent.

I'm assuming in the above quote you meant "correct", instead of "relevant".

I don't see how mentioning your credentials to support a claim is a bad thing. It is about establishing credibility to add weight to a stated opinion

Professionals often disagree about things, so it is certainly no guarantee that you will be "right" - but it certainly goes a long way to suggesting that you know a little bit about what you're talking about.

people with degees in a subject suddenly think they are smarter than everyone else, particularly concerning the subject they had a major in compared to someone who doesn't.

Well, yes, I think they have every right to assume they are more knowledgeable (I assume that was what you meant in your post, even though you used the word "smarter") within their field of expertise, because 99% of the time, they are.

Using your own testament - you may have out-debated numberous established members of the English field with regards to grammar (I'm not sure who was the scoring panel in these cases where you believe you were the triumphant winner), but if the topic had been "greatest writers of the 20th century" or some other, no doubt you would have likely had your arse handed to you. Not because they are necessarily smarter than you, but simply because you don't have the accumulated knowledge to back up your argument.

Lastly, but most importantly, I would like to point out that you have done exactly the same thing in response to the poster before you. Whereas the previous poster (I can't remember their name) simply had to state that they had a Major in English to establish their credentials, you had to tell a story to establish yours, because they didn't come with a degree.

A little hypocritical don't you think?

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I don't see how mentioning your credentials to support a claim is a bad thing. It is about establishing credibility to add weight to a stated opinion
I'm a rocket scientist with degrees in quantum mechanics and astro physics and I'd just like everyone to know that in my professional opinion Source Code rocks. Furthermore I also hereby nominate Duncan Jones for the Nobel Prise for Mathematics for managing to cast 2 major hotties in Michelle Monaghan and Vera Farmiga in the same movie.

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Nobel Prise

I so wanted to believe you too :(

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Believe! That's the Norwegian spelling! Trust a rocket scientist.

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There never was a moron on these boards quite so so hateful, a blockhead so stupid, and a crank so variously and offensively daft. One thing I give you is consistency in plumbing the depths of utter banality Stanley.

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Because it has plot holes, makes no sense, has a convoluted and problematic ending, plus the characters are boring.

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No Idea, I think its a fun Sci-fi Thriller.


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I loved this movie because it felt like a three-part episode of "The Outer Limits" (the one that started in 1993). Seriously, it's as if the "Outer Limits" writing team reunited for one last hurrah and wrote this movie.

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I have just finished watching this film on Film4...and it's good to sit down and watch proper sci-fi...the fiction part should be something unbelievable and not understandable.

I guess the payoff is our hero must live his life as someone else, father someone else's children while his real family think he is dead.

The major problem for people who try to pick Sci-Fi to bit is that they really don't understand the definition of the genre.

8/10 from me.

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