No other way to describe it.
She turned Drogon loose on a city that had clearly surrendered.
I think its safe to say John will have kill her in the final episode.
The ending to this once great show is a complete clusterfook.
They still had lots of wildfire stashed too. Cersei was in denial until the end.
shareits so terribly depressing. first 8 seasons of ww build up down the drain, and now we cant even see cersei die on screen? just what the fuck is next. i cant believe i wasted my time watching this once great show knowing it would end with this tripe.
shareum, she did die on screen. she got crushed.
shareNo she didnt. Watch it again. It cut to black before she died.
shareno watch again, they got crushed in the collapsing rubble. they both are crushed. the black is them being crushed.
shareThe black is of the camera fading out. If they were crushed on screen, we would see them getting crushed. the next shot would have been the rubble. Not black. I really shouldn't have to explain this.
sharejust messing with you my man. but don't know how you show people crushed under massive amounts of rubble that blacks out a crypt that no one can get to.
Maybe they will show people cleaning up the tunnel and find the bodies in the final episode or something. but there really isn't a way to show them dead in that moment, methinks. I really shouldn't have to explain this.
Yes there is. They easily could have panned the camera from a birds eye views with the rest of kings landing burned to the ground. Where they stood could have given us a surefire glimpse of the stone collapsing on top of them.
But that's not even the focal issue here. The issue is that that's how she died. By a bunch of collapsing stone. Not by a sword, or a dagger, or a dragon...but by a bunch of rocks. She deserved far worse than that. Another let down with season 8. All this has amounted to a huge waste of time.
not in that moment. they did it right in my opinion.
and you can't always get everyone. the hound knew that, arya didn't until he set her straight. she did deserve worse but like the stones famously say, "you can't always get what you want."
but i get it, you wanted more. I found it more realistic and went with it. at least we got Clegane-bowl!!!
I'm used to not always getting what I want. Especially with this show. But I didnt get Anything I wanted. This show is a hollow mess of pointless chaos.
sharewell that sucks for you. i have enjoyed so far. maybe something crazy unexpected will happen in the last episode and give you some satisfaction. Here's hoping! only 1 to go....who is going to be on that throne??(or will it be destroyed??)
shareWhy am I supposed to care that you enjoyed it? Do you think that's going to make it better?
shareWow. You sound like my spoiled nephew. He's 5. At least orangeflava was being cool about it with you.
shareHow was he being cool about it? He didnt care about what I was saying, he just cared that he was happy with the episode. It's like all the problems i had with it went in one ear and out the other. That deserves respect? No. Sorry.
sharei care man, but you gotta accept what you get or move on. but feel free to vent some more. it helps sometimes.
shareThe show isnt even over yet. Why do I have to just accept it?
shareyou don't. that's the beauty of it.
shareYou literally told me to do just that. What are you trying to say?
shareyou must have missed the "or" part
shareAnd you must have missed the "but the show isnt even over yet" part.
shareSaw it clear as day, kemosabe. But this seems to be going nowhere and we've said what we had to say about this. I'll end the chat here. Always down to chat about new topics, though. Not pushing you away.
Enjoy the final episode, I know I will! Peace & chicken grease.
I hope it's not a virus, for sure
shareYes, Cersei deserved far worse than that, this is the bitch who blew up the Sept of Baylor to get out of the mess she'd made for herself!
She deserved a death like Ramsay Bolton had, one intensely dramatic and where someone we all love to hate fully realized that their chickens had come home to roost and they were getting what they so richly deserved... and they still died with panache!
Instead, she was being comforted by her one true love at the end. I wish Jamie had looked her right in the eye and stabbed her in the gut and she looked back knowing that she'd brought it on herself... and THEN the building collapsed. Fuck this shit.
So I know it is months later but I thought I would reply to this :)
If you all think about the "horrible onscreen death" she deserved... she did get it but you have to look at it from a different perspective.
Yes, she died with her one true love and should have felt comfort in that... however, there he was, her one true love. The knowledge that they are going to die can be horrific in itself. Just think about it... she was crying because she knew that was it. Her life is over. Her true love's life is over. The baby they made and that she is carrying inside her, is going to die. If you think about how you would be in that situation with the added knowledge that you brought it all on yourself and those you loved, that is a pretty horrific death and you did get to see it happen.
Hope this helps :)
Of course she was miserable and knew she'd lost the Game of Thrones and that death was inevitable... but it just wasn't satisfying drama, not like the death of Ramsay Bolton. Not that much of anything in S8 was, but it was a let-down.
Just to speculate, wouldn't it have been more satisfying if, say... Danerys flew the dragon to the Red Keep (an actual strategic target, unlike the residential neighborhood she flamed on the show), and looked Cersei in the eye and started to say "Dracarys", and Cersei would strike a heroic final pose and look at the Targaryan forces pouring through the streets of her city... and see Jamie among them, killing her own red-cloaks? A moment like that could have been great drama, Cersei knowing that she'd lost everything to someone younger and more beautiful just like the prophecy said, she'd even lost Jamie.
Dead.
Cersei was buried alive with her brother Jamie.
shareThis was a pretty good episode. They have been slow-walking this mad queen ending all series, and the final battle, despite being obvious, was i think alluded to with the white horse Arya found. I think it was a Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse reference, and that horse represented righteousness, or righteous war. She grabbed that horse by the reins, suggesting she (and the rest of the Starks) are coming for Dany. There was another Horsemen reference IMO - Drogon represents the pale (or ashen) horse with Death as a rider, and they destroy empires.
A good episode, and I will stop mercilessly piling on D&D for the time being.
Even though I was a Dany fan - I actually like this.
I was bias from the beginning on and purposely overlooked any of the warning signals because I 1) agreed with her viewpoints (freeing slaves, taking care of her people, wanting to rid us of Cercei)
2) really disliked who was ruling Westeros.
But they where definitely there.
I like how complicated the characters are.That with changes (feeling unwelcome, disrespected, losing closest friends and advisers etc) the “good” person can change and lose him/herself.
However, the pacing is definitely off for the show. Too much cramped into too few episodes. Would have come across better showing it and other stuff going on more gradually.
I think it was easy to understand Dany's motivations ... she wanted to sack the city as soon as possible. It was a good argument. But ...
1. They made it sound like the fighting would be up in the air.
2. The scorpions which were so effective in the last episode did not work.
3. She had the city, so why did she either end the attack when the bells tolled, or when she attacked just destroy the castle?
The only reasoning we have on this is the Mad King's love of fire and killing people is supposedly taking over Dany's personality. I thought that was kind of weak.
My queen is a just queen.... but do not betray her.
shareIf she was truly mad there is no reason it didn't manifest the moment she had fire-breathing dragons at her command. Half the Slavers Bay would have been ash.
Because so far it looks like she's gone bad just because no one talked to her at the Winterfell victory party.
She almost did. Without Tyrion to talk her down, and impart that little bit of history she didn't know about her father to give her a reality check, she would have done precisely that to Slaver's Bay. There are plenty of examples throughout the series that show viewers she has Mad Queen potential. Whether she would go that way or not hasn't been clear until recently.
Considering a lot of this was from GRRM's source material it's entirely believable that the same thing happens to her in the books (assuming they're ever completed).
I think the people around here were keeping her worst impulses in check. What I think we see here is the unraveling of a girl's already-fragile psyche after the dissolution of her support system.
She is descended from the Mad King, which means some of that mental instability was very possibly passed down to her. Flashes of this have been shown in the past. With Jorah dead, and Jon not returning her love, and the people of Winterfell not truly accepting her, it's put her in a particularly unpredictable mental state. And sitting up there on that dragon, there was no one to restrain her.
Jon has been fighting psychopaths and their regimes or plans for domination - once it became known to him who they were he has opposed them not joined them. With Dany he has found out somewhat late how she thinks about power.
Now he'll have to decide if it is worth it to either continue to be loyal or to oppose her. He has a big problem in that Drogon is her most powerful defender I think.
If Jon is really a Targaryn, then he can't be burnt, correct?
shareWould Drogon be able to smell John's Targaryen blood?
If so, perhaps he'll refuse her command to burn him?
Drogon might have an ancient instinct not to harm a true-blood Targaryen.
This could incense Dany, driving her further into madness, and she then jumps off a cliff trying to prove she is truly a dragon queen who can fly on her own.
Problem solved.
Purely speculation of course.
Drogon is also familiar with Jon, so maybe he wouldn't kill him right away.
shareI discovered recently that Targaryens are not immune from being burnt. There may well be a magical relationship between fire and their essence as being of a blood or lineage but it's not explained apparently. Physiologically Jon can still be burnt no doubt.
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