Ive read alot of posts that keep saying how all man kind is evil and would rape a women if the situation arose. What ive been pondering is in the movie,Was it a women and was it rape!. Can anyone call a zombie a person let alone a women and rape? it would be better to say necrophilia. I dont know i just think people are using words that dont really apply to this Movie.
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The female in the movie is a human and a rape victim. She's portrayed as a zombie because rapists see their victims as less than human and as pieces of meat to be used and tossed aside. I think you're taking the film a little too literally because it does say a lot about women and rape.
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Yes, screaming and saying "no" is just her being hysterical and overdramatic, go ahead and have sex with her.
I still believe that peace and plenty and happiness can be worked out some way. I am a fool.
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"Your first mistake is listening to women, because you know that they can be melodramatic and hysterical most of the time."
Didn't mention zombies, bro. But you did take part in some pretty hardcore gaslighting.
Get a sense of basic human decency.
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So your response was to never listen to women because they're always hysterical? Therefore all rape accusations are false because women are just overreacting? And how is this a logical response?
Do you typically make yourself out to be a raging misogynist?
I'm guessing this is not the first time someone has called you out for saying a clueless, misogynistic thing.
Just reiterating what I said to another completely clueless man about this "gold digger" scenario that you're completely misinformed about.
Child bearing and birth is an agonizing process which ruins your body.
Child care is a 24/7 job. No clocking out at 5pm. No good night's sleep. And no more financial freedom because the child's needs come first.
Average child support payments don't even cover half the actual expense of the child. So the custodial parent is still incurring a financial loss
A woman can "lie about the pill" all she wants. If you don't want a child, you need to insist on a condom. You can't blame someone else for your choice when you have free will. And the 1% figure is only when taken perfectly and when no other medicines interfere with the pill. Even then, there are still plenty of issues. The pill is not magic, it doesn't always work. It has the same "perfect use" success rate as condoms but doesn't have the added benefit of protecting against stds. So you should insist on a condom anyways.
And it's telling that you only focus on women who "lie about the pill" but don't mention the men who beg to use the pull out method and then, whoops, forgot to pull out. Men and women are both capable of awful behavior, irresponsibility, and deceit. But you would rather plug your ears and sing, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" than recognize that. It's too much fun for you to oppress and degrade women.
And you can have an ignorant opinion all you want, but you cannot force a woman to bare a child that she doesn't want, nor can you force her to abort one that she does. Thems the biological breaks. Believe me, if I could give away that burden I would in a heart beat.
Edit to add: btw, at a 99% success rate, that means you could get pregnant 1 out of every hundred times. So maybe she was "lying about the pill" or maybe you happened to be lucky number 100.
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You have serious problems. Please try to separate the pain one or a few women caused you from the rest of women. If I went on anti-male rants like the one you just did based off the way some men have treated me in my life you would be crying, "BUT DON'T BLAME ALL OF US FOR WHAT ONE PERSON DID!" So stop treating your incredibly limited, and probably fantasized worldview as truth. You need help to deal with all that sexism you have pent up. You're very obviously desperate to be victimized because in your sick mind you see it is a privilege. You're warped into distorted facts so fantastically that they don't even mimic reality anymore. Must've taken a lot of effort to get to this place but it's never too late to undo the damage done.
"Then a man that took the necessary precautions and used a condom properly SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT IT."
just edited to lol though because if he used the condom properly he probably wouldn't have gotten into this mess to begin with. I don't have time to counter all your ignorance atm, but this one screamed at me.
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LOl, you like "girls."
You are very sexist and very misogynistic. You spent a significant amount of time on a film's message board that is a symbol of female empowerment bashing women, generalizing the actions of all women based on the actions of some, and rattling off a completely ignorant view of what feminism is. You have zero tolerance for women who stand up for themselves. Obviously you can't handle a woman who has her own mind.
I used to be one of those women who didn't want to be called a feminist because society and sexist, male friends of mine had conditioned me to believe lies about feminism, and used words like "feminazi." I allowed myself to be treated as less than. Then I finally was honest with myself and learned what feminism is really about. You can never tell me any nonsense I haven't already heard. It's all been disproven, it's all a bunch of exaggeration to "put women back in their place," and I will not be a part of it anymore. You can call me foolish, but to anyone with half a brain, it's clear that you're the foolish one. You're the one who is using imdb as a forum to spread hatred and misinformation. Claim you like "girls" all you want, but all your posts tell me is that you tolerate subserviant, docile women who don't dare step to you.
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I'm just stunned at how they this film has become a symbol of female empowerment. That's just... wow. (These would probably be the same people that argue against Sucker Punch being anything about female empowerment even though that film was written to be so).
Unfortunately, I think your responses and how they are phrased kind of lend to you not being taken seriously even if you do have good points somewhere in all that. It's unfortunate that those point can't be debated on their merits because people are too busy focusing on the other unrelated commentary you've made, which actually fits their cause of dismissing anything being said.
I didn't say anything about force, I said she should consider the feelings of the father. And I am quite aware of what pregnancy does to a body, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it 'ruins' them.
The wild, cruel animal is not behind the bars of a cage. He is in front of it.
You didn't say force, but you implied force. Having a woman go against her will to bare the child because the father wants her to equals forcing her.
She can consider the father's feelings all day long, but his decision is irrelevant. She is the ultimate decision maker. So all of this "consider the father" nonsense is just another way to shame women for what they have every right to do and make their lives even more difficult.
You make several horribly generalized and grandiose statements that make people lose interest and not take you seriously. You have an ugly and insulting bent to your comments which, wait for it, smacks of illogical and emotional irrationality. You're guilty of the things you're accusing all women of being like. Learn to argue with facts instead of hot button insults. You're gonna end up running into people, not on a message board, who are gonna destroy you with the rationality you're claiming to have.
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Kinda makes me disturbed for society that someone's even asking if sex with someone who's chained down and unable to give consent counts as "rape."
Basically, if you have sex with any sentient creature that hasn't indicated it wants to have sex with you, that's rape.
Sigh. Some of the people on this thread are unbelievable.
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Rape is rape. There is not a single excuse in the world that justifies violating someones body in any way, shape, or form. If a person does not consent, is unable to consent, or has been pressured into ''consenting'', then that is rape. Simple as. You can't make excuses for something like that, even within a fictional story like this. This may just be a film, but the fact that there are so many people on this thread saying that there was nothing wrong with raping the deadgirl is scary, to be honest.
Deadgirl wasn't human. We know that, even if we are unsure as to what she actually was. But that doesn't excuse the abuse she was subjected to by J.T, Wheeler, and the others. She doesn't have the ability to speak, it seems, but she is aware. She often reacts violently to the abuse she is being subjected to (quite rightly) and makes the concious decision not to kill Rickie at the end of the film. She didn't see him as a threat because he had not been abusive towards her and so she allowed him to live. However, whether she was aware or not, can you honestly say that there was nothing wrong with ''having sex'' with her? If you believe her to just be a corpse, do you still think it was okay to ''have sex'' with her? No, it wasn't. It may be fictional, but this film still includes pretty graphic scenes of rape. The fact that so many people on here don't see anything wrong with those rape scenes is disturbing. I know some people may retaliate with the statement ''...but deadgirl killed them!!!1!! Isn't that wrong, too?'' Aside from the fact that she wasn't human and had bestial instincts, she had been tied up and physically and sexually abused throughout the course of the film. In fact, J.T killed her at least three times, each one of those proving to be futile. Needless to say, they deserved what they got.