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10 mins in, and they’re already woke


Nora introduces her brother and says, “this is his boyfriend” (the gay guy with the glasses, using the laptop)

Obligatory wokeness

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did you really expect anything else? they cast a trans as Pinhead

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I'm not bashing the actor, haven't seen the film but do you think he was picked because he was the best audition they got for the part, or did they want a trans and he was the best trans they could find?

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The trans thing fits with the general kinkiness of Hellraiser.

The actor sucked though.

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Nope, trans does not fit hellraiser.

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Some of them do cut their penises off and boobs too, that's a little hellraiserish.

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Wow a gay character in a film. What will they think of next.

Sarcasm before anyone questions this - like I've said plenty of times the word woke has no meaning and is just thrown around.

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I I keep saying it, these dudes want to go back to the 50s and before, when everyone on the screen were white and straight.

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Outside of racism, 1950s America was the most prosperous time in American history though

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... if you were white and heterosexual. No biggie, eh?

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In the 50s it was much safer for the black community as well, their families were intact and less drugs.

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As long as they stayed behind the colored line. You're saying that Segregation was a good thing for them.

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Where in my sentence did you pull that from? Do you believe the black community is better off now than it was in the 50s?

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You're saying that the black community was better off when discrimination was legal. That's what you are saying. Don't play dumb.

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Their families were intact during that time period and their communities were safe but it had nothing to do with segregation.

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You need to read some history books and watch documentaries.

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I could read them all day long, but just look at the crime rates, addiction and poverty in all the black communities today.

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You mean of course the false crime rates because they were all set ups by the police. Scientists have proven that the actual crime rate of that community is approximately .0003% of the population, and the rest are all just frame jobs. And the .0003% are just because of PTSD from all their years and bad memories of slavery.

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"frame jobs"

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That the white CIA was trafficking into the black communities to stop people being the next MLK or Malcolm X.

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Racism is a pretty godamned big thing to just sidestep around!

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Its not woke. It has an all white cast. The audience wants more blacks in film.

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Nora is Asian. The Weeper is a Black woman.

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You mean...more black *people* right?

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Yes, more negros!

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Clive Barker, the author of the source material for this film, is an openly gay man...

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and this affected the film's plot, story, direction, and asdoginapdiougbaosudbf right?

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Oh, and here is my friend. HE LIKES BBQ, OK?

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I liked it mostly, the majority of the film was good, and they did some service to the original 2 films, way better than the sequels ever did, so plus points for that. The writers did take some care of the source material. There were some good additions, and worthy parts to the story, mythology.

But what got me at the start was the 6+ foot tall, good looking(?) gym going F-boy who proclaims his love after the first date, and first awkward sex.

Only for her to turn him down, humiliate him and send him packing. Did an F-boy hurt the writers? Is this projection? The femcel fantasy?

Let's not forget the lead is a femcel, low on the attractive scale, with barely any personality other than snarky. Low end job, ex-drug addict of only a few weeks, hairs a mess, life's a mess, fashion sense as if she was dressed as a knock off Chucky doll.

This is the "realism", or the "today"? It's not even taken as a joke, super serious.

No straight white male were good people. Of course not, we are all evil at birth. I did like the gay characters, and how the brothers' boyfriend was like a cushion between the lead and her brother, like a voice of reason between the two. The sensible one.

But that start, so old fashioned but way worse. Roles reversed, where you have an ugly incel dude brushing aside a fit girl who proclaims her love after being bedded once. The dick is so good its love at first bang. Remember those bad old days when women were just objects to be tossed aside by the male leads. They fell in love with the leads and were brushed aside in order to pump up the male lead. Nowadays, we just laugh at how archaic those old films were, where the ugly male lead has young attractive women falling all over him for no reason. Bond was called a fossil decades ago. A dinosaur. We laugh at those films now.

How things have changed. We evolved!

Nope, in this movie the lead character tosses aside the bimbo. But this time with the added bonus of humiliation! A humiliation that lingers for minutes, and minutes. This is how we relate to the main character? How we empathise? I can't seem to remember Bond or any other male lead ugly or attractive heaping on the humiliation after the brush aside.

Isn't that worse than before?

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They ended up good characters, though.

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