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The crew didn't know the first planet was a water-world?


They didn't have any instruments to detect that the first planet was covered with water?

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No. Miller's team sent the "thumbs up" signal, meaning they thought it was inhabitable.

So what's your point? That Coop's team should've had much more advanced equipment? Why?

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So the crew never thought about independent verification of that world. That seems strange to me.

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They trusted that Miller’s “thumbs up” was legitimate. They had no reason not to trust her.

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If I was going to risk 7 years, I would at least independently verify the planet conditions I was about to land on.

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I think it's safe to assume that they had all the information available at the time. It's not like getting a second opinion on a sore throat.

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by askoz » 9 hours ago (Thu Aug 25 2016 14:45:39)
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I think it's safe to assume that they had all the information available at the time. It's not like getting a second opinion on a sore throat.


The crew obviously didn't know about the huge tidal waves...which is something they should have known about before even deciding to land.

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Yes, but could they have known that? In the movie it's assumed that they couldn't, so that's what I'm sticking with. It's not like they knew how to figure that out but willfully ignored it.

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by askoz » 10 hours ago (Fri Aug 26 2016 02:43:37)
IMDb member since March 2007
Yes, but could they have known that? In the movie it's assumed that they couldn't, so that's what I'm sticking with. It's not like they knew how to figure that out but willfully ignored it.


With 2016 technology, a satellite can detect surface conditions just by orbiting the planet. But in the future world on Interstellar, they can't do that any more?

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Maybe it was cloudy?

Look. I'm not arguing with you using real-world physics. I'm pretty sure that that tidal wave was physically impossible as presented, and they sure as hell would never have been able to leave the planet without a humongous amount of fuel which they didn't have.

But I'm taking the movie logic at face value here. According to the movie they put their mother-ship in a higher orbit around the black hole (while keeping up with the planet) in order to stay out of severe time dilation.
From that orbit they would never have been able to see the tidal wave. It's my understanding (am I wrong on this?) that the tidal wave was a single static wave pointing towards the black hole, and thus it would always be on the "far side" of the planet from their location. The wave would ripple out from the center spike with gradually reduced amplitude, but probably not so much that it would be noticable on the other side of the planet.

So from that point they might've thought that the planet was full of shallow water, and that was no problem to them.
But when they actually stood on the planet they were subjected to its rotation, and it rotated them straight into the wave. And that was a pretty big problem.

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But I'm taking the movie logic at face value here. According to the movie they put their mother-ship in a higher orbit around the black hole (while keeping up with the planet) in order to stay out of severe time dilation.

I hope this conceived scenario isn't credited to Kip Thorne. Hey, let's give it to Nolan. He'll try anything. He likes it! Nolan likes it.









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4 years old, but i had to post. You are so right about the tidal wave. It wouldn't be visible from the outward side of the planet. So i can't imagine how they would know about the hidden wall of water on the other side.

The other thing you mentioned about huge amount of fuel needed for take off. They are in orbit around the black hole, so i don't think they would need massive amounts of thrust to leave the planet, even though they are in an unbelievable gravity well with massive time dilation. But the planet must orbit the black hole at incredible speeds, so much that they probably wouldn't be able to catch up with it.

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Because of the time dilation. Relativity is a bitch, isn't it?

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That would be big, I would think. We need a thumbs up button on this site. :)

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I think the more appropriate question is why did Miller send the “thumbs up” signal to begin with? Hadn’t they deduced that she had just landed moments prior to their landing there, wouldn’t she at least scope the planet out a bit before sending her green light signal?

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I think the oddest part is deciding to land on the water, and of course flying so high above the surface without noticing the enormous waves that are the only feature on the planet.

This movie places a lot of emphasis on HAVING to land on planets to collect data that has already been gathered, even when the beacons are still active. If the beacons were sending the data out, then no landing is necessary.

The only problem with data is that it couldn't go back through the wormhole, but that problem is gone once they pass through the wormhole. Simply having the beacons transmit the data would have prevented anyone from having to RE-LAND on every planet that had ALREADY been landed on.

Also, realistically, they would have done some analysis of the planet from orbit before ever deciding to land.

Oh yeah, and they send out an astronaut to trudge through that water on a planet with higher gravity --- Why not send out the robot to retrieve the beacon? Notice how they waste time waiting for Amelia to reach the beacon, and then finally send out the robot to rescue her AND get the beacon, which it accomplishes in seconds.

Imagine if they'd just sent the robot out... But no, see, these people don't know how to use robots. The planetary analysis was nothing but collecting samples and seeing if the planets were livable, so robots could have done that DESPITE the crazy Dr. Mann's assertion that robots couldn't do it. They could have even had oversight or remote control from a scientist in orbit.

The amount of "we have to land on this planet" going on in this movie is idiotic, especially for a race struggling with resources and time. The movie is not very well thought out.

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This^
yup, cant argue with that.
You killed the movie

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It was only a couple feet deep in the area they landed at. Humans can live above water, or in it, we can adapt to non land or build in or above water if necessary.

If you remember due to the enormous time dilations Dr. Brand surmised afterwards that Dr. Miller had arrived only a mere few hours before they arrived, so they had no idea what happened on the surface or what they were going to find, they only knew Miller planet had the resources to support human life.

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I assume there was no air sample for Miller's Planet either, since they kept their suits on

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It wasn't like Star Trek where they could sit on the bridge of Endurance and the long range scanners could tell them the planet was covered by water. Also, if they sent an unmanned probe down to the planet (and I don't think they had any such technology with them), relative time for the probe would slow down compared to the Endurance and they would be waiting for years (1 hour for the probe=7 years for the Endurance) for it to reply, and even then if wreckage was detected they didn't know if Miller just had the bad luck to land in the middle of a large ocean like the Atlantic of Pacific. It also wasn't like they could waste hours (which would have been a couple additional Earth-decades) orbiting the planet just to find out there was no land. They knew it was going to cost them Earth-years to visit Miller's Planet, but they had no choice but to land there and find Miller or her craft because they had to know for certain, one way or another, the status of Miller and if the planet was indeed habitable.

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Romily didn't quite lose 23 years of his life, he took a couple long naps he said, and had TARS to keep him company, which must have been entertaining. However, as a scientist he got to sit in front of a black hole and examine and study it for many years, which if you asked him was certainly not a waste of his time. He got to do something nobody ever got to do before, study a black hole close up like that. As a scientist of sorts I appreciate that, and I think there are many physicists on Earth who would jump at the chance to get the chance to do what Romily got to do as far as observing a black hole at a close proximity for a couple decades.

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Maybe for a couple of years, but for somebody who has been on this planet for only 28 years, imagining myself doing that for 23 would be asinine.

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Not if it's something you truly find fascinating. Romily got the chance to do something no other scientist on Earth ever got to do. To scientists on Earth, black holes are something they see thru a telescope that are millions of light years away, but he found himself just far enough away not to get sucked into it. I would have gladly traded places with him to get that kind of opportunity. The sad part is that all the knowledge he learned and all the data he accumulated was likely lost when Mann murdered him then damaged the Endurance, although TARS may have had backups of his data.

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Not entirely true. Romily’s data pretty much saves the day, as he tells Coop about the potential advantages of jumping into the black hole with TARS, based on his studies.

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the problem I had was they chose to go there *first* for no real reason. if you have a choice to go to three different places, and one of them has a catch that you lose insane amounts of time (potentially centuries, millenia, or worse if they get stuck long enough), you don't go there *first*, you go there *last*.

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Truer words were never spoken.

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This was one of the weakest parts of the movie for me in terms of the logic. These "science" people go to a planet completely unaware there are huge tidal waves. It's not like they even speculate between them that this could be a factor on that planet with those sort of conditions. Then when they get there they act like idiots who seem to take time plodding through water to salvage a signal when they could get their much quicker robot to do it, while somehow oblivious to the massive wave creeping up behind them until it takes for their pilot who isn't even outside looking around, to point it out to them. Then more idiocy as one stands around waiting for a wave to catch him rather than use the adequate time he has to get on board.

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Isn’t the time dilation a big factor here? Anything viewing the planet from afar will see things on the planet as stationary because things will be moving so slowly up an exterior observer. Massive waves will look like motionless mountains. Anything sent to the planet to collect data would take years to relay it.

I think the planet’s proximity to the black hole should have automatically ruled it out as not viable long term, but they felt that since they were right there, it made more sense than hoping they had enough fuel to come back if the other two didn’t pan out.

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nah , i think that only applies with the wormhole part of the journey .
once they are through it , and basicly "in the vicinity" of the planet(s) i dont think that applies
Viewing the planet , and recieving data from the probes on them should be straightforward


have a lookat the "Its_A_Frog 5 years ago " comment above

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Everything gets delayed. The last poster is correct, everything moving would look frozen to an outside observer. Even a probe will take at least a couple of years to reply.

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I cant remember the ins and outs of the route they took ,and times , distances between these prospective planets.

But one things for sure:
When they arrive at the planet, why not just ask the probe to email up its data rather than go down and get it?
this would take seconds.

95% of all the threads i've ever seen titled "Plot hole" ,are not, but this right here is a giant glaring plot hole.

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It was the relay satellite or the probe that was having communications issues. The whole reason they thought the water world was a candidate for colonization was because the 1st ping was repeating endlessly. The Dr Lady gave the thumbs up when she landed, shortly before she was killed by a wave.

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Even if the probe was powered, any reply wouldn't take seconds. If the probe look 1 minute to reply, they would've been waiting 5-6 weeks.

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IF
1 minute to get a reply = lost 5 weeks back home,
Then
2 hours to land , find probe, pull usb stick , takeoff again
= 600 weeks lost back home


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I know what you're saying. You're just over-thinking it mate. I applaud your attention to detail. Let's just assume the probe had no power because the habitat was destroyed and call it a day.

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A shame because had they known they could've packed an aluminum tinny and done some fishing.

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Seems fair to say the crew, the astronomers, and the writer didn't know much.

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