Why can't people just learn to be happy with who they are instead of going to the endless and troublesome surgeries to try to become a completely different person? Say if you do go to the trouble and end up feeling just as miserable as ever just to realize that you can't go back to the way you were before you started.
shareIt's known as "heavy handed propaganda."
shareBecause the surgeries and troubles are so they *can* be who they are.
Me? I aim to misbehave.
The medical community doesn't allow anyone to undergo sex change surgery without extensive medical and psychological counseling. And they don't let them jump into such things without forcing them to think about it for years. One of the things they are fully aware of is the consequences and risk of such surgery.
Most of the sex change candidates have struggled with sexual confusion for decades. Surgery is a last step. Only after the patient and the doctors are convinced surgery is appropriate is the patient allowed to proceed.
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God has made many mistakes throughout history.
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How do you account babies being born intersexed, with spinal bifida and other examples?
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"intersexed" is the PC term for Hermaphrodite, ie. people born with both XX and XY chromosome pairs, and both male and female genitalia.
Athhajar ma yeroon.
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I honestly don't mean to over-simplify anything, but nothing is a real problem or turns into one until you (mankind) try to control it.
Good example is in the film. His friend, played by Ben Whishaw, didn't care about the God-sent plumbing, he loved him as is. That's what I mean. Some is out there for all of us, as is.
You obviously don't have the intellect to deal with this issue.
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You don't like my approach to leaving man as he's born intact? That like attracts like, and that should be enough? That our bodies are critical to being healthy when left alone? Then that's that, we differ. My intellect has little to do with it.
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Yes, it is your opinion.
But you still don't get it.
It's not about other people loving someone as they are.
It's about that person being able to have a full life within their own
skin.
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MsJilllette
. that's best left as is, as intended. God doesn't make mistakes. But this conversation/debate/fulfillment needers want to remove God from it. It's all based on because we can. Fact is people like this have been around since time began who lived well finding their own kind within society and creating, what I call, their own Eden. Do you actually believe these humans do anything different if made into the gender in their mind? No. They still live how they did prior but sewn up and filled up and attached with fake elements that no more make them men or women then how they arrived into this world... IMO.
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You are the one who brought up God. Now you are getting squirrelly
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You are the one who is putting words in your mouth. You are the one who brought up, God.
As far as messing around with hormones, what do you think some types of birth control and hormone replacement therapy is? They mess around with hormones.
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MsJillette, your posts are appropriate
for a thread titles "I don't get it" because clearly you don't get it.
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MsJillette
Tell it to them.
As for me? I don't want to get it. Because for me IT isn't necessary.
No surprise that you don't get it.
shareI love you.
shareGod makes lots of mistakes. If he was a business, his products would be recalled all the time and no one would do business with him.
shareThat our bodies are critical to being healthy when left alone?
Uh, not so much. We constantly alter our body just by putting food into it and exposing it to sunlight, the weather, etc.. So we're not 'leaving it alone'. Throughout life, changes are constantly being made (ever decide to get a tan? Do you brush your teeth? Both of those make changes to one's 'natural' state). None of us are in our original state. So as to what changes are good, and what changes are bad, are not up to interpretation of others. We each try to be the best person we can be. And what that is, is not up to you to decide. You get to choose what you are to be; not what others are to be.
Oh, yeah? Then why are babies born with down syndrome or Cerebral palsy? If your God is so perfect why does he make innocent babies like that?
share"Why can't people just learn to be happy with who they are"
That's the whole point about transgender - you're NOT what you are. As a transgender your identity is of the opposite sex and many trans feel trapped in their own body.
It's wrong to call a transgender person gay since gays are perfectly fine with their sex.
It's ignorant to assume people can just snap out of those states. These are thing rooted deep inside your DNA and brain structure. Put yourself into a position where you have to live as something else. Can you easily snap out of being heterosexual? I don't think so.
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Maybe you don't have to "get it" at all.
But perhaps what you need to do is understand this is someone's life experience.
And mocking people or denigrating them serves no purpose at all.
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I'm not mocking. I'm highlighting the ridiculousness of the tranny agenda by use of analogy. How is their behaviour any less mocking to normal, sane people?
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I'm not mocking. I'm highlighting the ridiculousness of the tranny agenda by use of analogy. How is their behaviour any less mocking to normal, sane people?
You have a point. I should be more respectful. I may not agree with sex change surgery or hormone treatment for transexual people but ultimately I have no right to condemn them as human beings. I don't understand or agree with their choices but everyone has to live their own life so their choices are there own. I probably should try to focus more on my own behaviour instead of other people's.
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Ms.JIllette
Einar was, which is truly frustrating about the film's tale, perfectly fine being a husband and painter as a man. The opportunity, as it appears in the film, seemed to release in him his desire to be female which is who Henrik was attracted to regardless of his physical limitations (as a female). Question. Was it only visual?
Like I said earlier, until we could we couldn't and people on this continuum lived healthier lives without synthetics and foreign objects inserted or bits and parts removed. Some functions, such as urination, are intact 'as is' when we're born, and there's no real way to change the insides of us, not even our minds.
Today's science has advanced to a place where we're practically bionic, and (for me) that science and technology is best reserved for that, not interfering with the sent set-out blueprint determined by birth. For me, I don't feel it is absolutely necessary to do any of it, if you're with the right person. Bodies do not need to define us, our souls do. If Einar had the soul of a woman then fine, be that. Just leave your body alone. He, in case you didn't notice, died a young man, feeling he'd been turned into a woman. Was he really turned into a woman? Methinks not. That is what is in his soul, Einar was, which is truly frustrating about the film's tale, perfectly fine being a husband and painter as a man. The opportunity, as it appears in the film, seemed to release in him his desire to be female which is who Henrik was attracted to regardless of his physical limitations (as a female). Question. Was it only visual?
Like I said earlier, until we could we couldn't and people on this continuum lived healthier lives without synthetics and foreign objects inserted or bits and parts removed. Some functions, such as urination, are intact 'as is' when we're born, and there's no real way to change the insides of us, not even our minds.
Today's science has advanced to a place where we're practically bionic, and (for me) that science and technology is best reserved for that, not interfering with the sent set-out blueprint determined by birth. For me, I don't feel it is absolutely necessary to do any of it, if you're with the right person. Bodies do not need to define us, our souls do. If Einar had the soul of a woman then fine, be that. Just leave your body alone. He, in case you didn't notice, died a young man, feeling he'd been turned into a woman. Was he really turned into a woman? Methinks not. That is what is in his soul, mind, actions, not the body.
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He did not die a young man. She died at 48 years old. He died from having a uterus and ovaries implanted in her. They did not understand organ rejection fully back then. In fact someday we may be able to do a uterus transplant in males or even an artificial uterus.
PS. Your magic man in the sky's feelings doesn't matter here. The US is not a theocracy.
Uterus transplants have recently been done in women.
The lack of understanding and empathy that this movie provokes out of some people is sad.
The US thankfully isn't a theocracy, but too many people wish it were.
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It was only for the purpose of the film that Einar was shown as being perfectly fine as a husband and painter. Showing him as being awakened to the desire to be a woman because he dressed in women's clothing was somewhat absurd.
shareLOL!!
How to spot a bigot: when they compare trans people to animals.
sharedavenja,
Why can't people just learn to be happy with who they are instead of going to the endless and troublesome surgeries to try to become a completely different person?And why, on the other hand, can't people try to achieve (more) happiness in their lives by changing into the person they always wanted to be instead of feeling miserable and trapped in their wrong-felt body given by nature?
Say if you do go to the trouble and end up feeling just as miserable as ever just to realize that you can't go back to the way you were before you started.And what if you go through all this trouble and feel much better in your own skin after it?
That's because you can't "get it". You just have to accept that other people feel a different way.
I don't get people who get so depressed they kill themselves even though they have love in their life but you know what? I can't get it until I got there.
There's a limit to empathy, even if you have some, and you just can't imagine what it is to be trans anymore than you can imagine what it is to be a fish. Doesn't mean you are judging fish so I guess you shouldn't judge trans either.
For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco
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