Most pathetic main character EVER

First of all, your post i'm talking about was in a different board, so you're retarded. And that was my point to make. Also, the stoner's arguments are valid to you and only you. Maybe your right, i do need to get over it, but i'm certainly not the one who started this thread, you did, looking to piss people off. And get a new comeback, "douche" is getting quite old. I don't even know why i respond to these anymore, you're probably a highschool kid anyways. Absolute stupidity on my part. I'm done, have a nice useless life with your pot, tool.

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Just because you were referring to a different post, doesn't mean you didn't reply to and know about the other post long ago, knowing I smoked from the beginning. It's retarded that you're trying to claim this as new information to you.

And the reason you keep responding is because I make a valid point with each post and accurately note something stupid from one of yours.

You just don't want it to look like you've lost the debate, which you obviously have. I don't go around trying to piss people off, some people, like yourself, just let themselves get pissed off over movie board posts nobody really cares about. And "douche" never gets old, bitch.

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Listen prick, you don't know what I do or do not know, your not me, and you know zero about me except for the fact that i have DP. I didn't read enough of your posts to know you smoked, and you haven't made any valid points at all.
For example saying there is no medical research backing this up, maybe if you got off this board and read a frigen book once in a while you'd know there's plenty of research, but you're too busy doing this in between your porno site visits. Do you have a job? Do you do anything with your life? Cause you seem to respond to these things very quickly, and we all know you can't pass a drug test, a staple at most companies now a days.

So here is what i know, you like to act like a tough guy behind that computer of yours. Stop assuming and acting like you know everything about everything, it's probably the most annoying quality in the world. If I knew you got your jolly's from sitting at your computer waiting to pick fights, I would have never even posted after you, I've got better things to do. I wish this wasn't online, I guarantee this conversation would be much different in person. Also, Our debate went way beyond Hudson being a pathetic main character, and even if it hadn't, you didn't make strong enough points to "win" all you kept saying was he's delusional he's delusional and even if you could make strong enough points i could give a rats ass, THIS IS A BOARD FOR A MOVIE, i mean honestly i can't believe I'm taking all this time but your stupidity intrigues me so much. Maybe also read some of the other posts from people in this very thread, they all think your a dick too. but i'm sure you're one of those kids whose gonna come back and say "I dont care if people think i'm a dick, I'm a person who enjoys bothering people. This is the last post i'm going to make, so you go ahead and do your little rebuttle, which we both know you will 'cause you need the last word. I feel utterly sorry for you or anyone who has to deal with you on a regular pace.

Have an amazing life, bitch.

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Dude, you gotta stop moving my words around. I said there were no studies connecting any long-term psychological disorders with marijuana use, here's one that confirms that:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/58/10/909

Other than that, all I've really been saying before is that this is a character faking a disorder to get attention, perpetuated by a money-hungry quack. And I still think I've made some good arguments for this.

Oh, and I work in an internet cafe, genius. So, yeah, I'm online a lot. I guess I do like arguing with retards like you in cyberspace to a certain degree. Does that make me so horrible?

What's your excuse? You make just as many posts, just as frequently! You're the one trying to act tough on a message board, you loser. Yeah, "this conversation would be much different in person," too bad it isn't.

And you're right, I don't care what people think of me ONLINE, most people don't. Most people, not as bored as I am, just leave their two-cents and see how others respond. But, not you, you're hilarious. And just too much damn fun.

I do have a life outside these boards and am grateful for all that I have, unlike Chandler however, despite his success. How pathetic of him. Also, glad to hear you're finally giving up and getting back to whatever else I'm sure you had going on before. About time, douche.

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You're right that the character is not perfect. Neither is the movie. Neither is the actor. Neither is the plot. Neither is the script.

You're right that pot does not necessarily have anything to do with this. Some people claim that to be the case. Perhaps it's just a useful tool to realize that the underlying condition is also present.(I thought that that was a prevailing message in the movie) Perhaps not. It seems maybe that it was a mistake to emphasize that part of the movie by placing it at the very beginning, which reinforces negative stereotypes about cannabis. However, I can see how it is a useful tool in bringing the audience into the movie and how that may have played out like that for the writer as well.

Personally I don't get why you think he just wants attention. That's a common response to most 'mental' illnesses. You stated you've/you're experienced/ing some yourself and have probably encountered this attitude before. Therefore, I assume you're using it to get attention yourself, by provoking some kind of reaction in others. Again, I don't get why. Is it projection? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection) If not, that's certainly what you've received in responses so far anyway, whether negative or positive, although obviously mostly negative. Maybe it does not matter which.

Either way, I disagree. What I saw was through the small flashbacks to traumatizing childhood events, that were way too subtle, the story alluded to the cause of the the state that the character suffered from. Whether you accept those events as sufficient in comparison to wars or other horrific events like sexual abuse or whatever else, is largely irrelevant. If it causes trauma to the child's existence, it is sufficient.

Also, you stated that his family was normal/supportive. To me it clearly was not: His brother completely ignored him. His father talked largely in one line sayings. His mother kicked him out of the house at a very young age for some unknown reason. She also stated later on that she felt like she was very similar to him. All signs of emotional detachment to me. Neglect is emotional abuse. The irony being that this is what he inflicted upon Sara by being so emotionally unavailable(unintentionally). It's too bad they didn't go more into this, and its cyclical nature.

The result of trauma is usually some form of dissociation in order to cope with the trauma, which can be completely subconscious. Hence the main condition in this movie: Depersonalization Disorder. The childhood events could be suppressed or deemed inconsequential by the sufferer or their peers, especially if misunderstood or deemed to be nothing by society at large. This can go on totally unrecognized for many years - assumed to be normal by the sufferer until some event or cumulation thereof shows them otherwise. In this case, pot. Dissociation caused by trauma can render someone completely dis-functional and completely unable to take care of themselves as well, if severe and/or suffered long enough.

If one does not get why they're like this and know for sure it is not normal and feel more disconnected and feel like they're going crazy, it would be totally normal to try to reach out. The movie is about this protagonist anyway so why get annoyed?(maybe it triggered something in you) Also, wasn't he kind of avoiding the outside world through watching golf and preferring to go out onto the streets when nobody was around? How is that attention seeking?

Personally I don't like the pharmaceutical side of things or current trends either. However, sometimes it is necessary when all else fails and you need to cope to survive. I don't like how much therapy costs and how some professionals act. However, both issues are dealt with in the movie, so I don't know why you are bringing this up.

However, one must recognize that putting such a complex and subtle concept into a 90 min commercial movie is tough. Especially if you want it to remain somewhat entertaining. Therefore, as usual shortcuts are made. But considering, I still think they did a good job, even with all the unnecessary components that gave it an R rating as well other inaccuracies or irrelevant storyline. Also the ending seemed a bit incomplete. (That might cause some to not get the point of the movie)

If people find meaning in this movie, even if it has a somewhat unreal quality at times(irony alert), and want to praise it for even bringing this out in the open and possibly even relieving their symptoms a bit: Tough $&^%.

If this was just an exercise in managing ocd related to the movie not being perfect(like me): Also Tough $%^&.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Short Layman version:
childhood emotional neglect > anxiety > dissociation > derealization > disfunctionality > distress > reaching out for help and/or separating yourself from the world(irony of irony)

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Don't worry about the wall of text, I'm just as guilty.

I don't know, I'm still not convinced he really had depersonalization. I'm aware of what causes trauma to the brain and that some mentality's are more fragile than others, but the entire movie felt like he was just trying to convince the viewer he was going through something legit and I just didn't buy it.

And you're right, he was aware of the fact that there are doctors who take advantage of their patients. However, despite his knowledge and suspicion of this, he did nothing about it. That doesn't bother anybody at all? That he would accept the first doctor's diagnosis without question?

From that point on, I'm sure he learned everything there was to know about depersonalization and would not allow himself to pass a test proving otherwise. Total denial of normalcy perpetuated by a quack.

I asked people in my first post if anyone had gone through a similar phase in their teenage years because, honestly, this character reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite: Making up stories so people won't see him for what he really is and completely and utterly overdramatic concerning every little thing.

And does depersonalization disorder really lay dormant in somebody without any previous mental history for forty years? When he was smoking a joint in the beginning of the movie, that wasn't his first joint ever, was it? He'd done it before, why didn't the disorder pop up then, was it that in that particular instance he was surrounded by friends and thought it would be a good time to stand out? Or, did they mention if it was his first one? Because that would more accurately explain his little freak-out.

I don't know, man. To me, he's just another guy wishing he was a unique snowflake and not part of the same compost pile as the rest of us. That's from a movie, but it works here too. We all have those childhood moments that make us cringe to this day, I didn't notice anything special from his flashbacks. I don't think he's so psychologically fragile either. Just a drama-queen. Pathetic.

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And, oh, so I'm the attention-seeker now. For a second there, I thought you were better than the others, but at least you mentioned it was just your assumption. Personally, I think that's kinda funny. Saying somebody online likes to draw a crowd is like going into a soup kitchen and calling the homeless greedy.

Also, I don't need you to set up a wikipedia link for me. I know what you meant by Projection. There is not a word, sentence, or concept you can illuminate for me, but thanks anyway.

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I suffer from dissociation and depersonalization and it is a challenge to get through every day.
This film was comforting.

Just_Jutt, are you trying to make the point that dissociative disorders aren't real? Or do you
have some inside knowledge to know that the writer of this film does not suffer from this?

You have made alot of comments that make it very clear that you don't know much about this subject
academically or experientially, yet you keep on debating as if you were an expert in this field.

Calling into question the mental health of another person, as if you know more than them and their experience is not very dignified, especially when you are clearly uninformed and misinformed on
the subject.

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The majority of people who suffer from dissociative disorders have experienced chronic levels
of sexual or physical abuse. It often happens at very young ages that they weren't old enough to
remember or it has been blocked out from memory to protect oneself.

Dissociation is actually a pretty clever and creative defense mechanism that the unconscious
creates to protect itself from trauma. Different personalities are created to protect oneself,
or a deep numbing that allows the child to survive abuse. Unfortunately, this protection also means
that one stops feeling, and being able to tell what is real and what is not real.

Hyper-vigilance to protect oneself from danger creates a chronic anxiety that is no different that PTSD. (In fact, they are the same symptoms.) Anxiety and panic can do some pretty intense things to the body, causing hallucinations, rapidly increased heart rate, etc.

Somebody could have been dissociating since they were 2 after some form of abuse, live 40 years with depression(via numbness), and then have a mid-life crisis, which ultimately shifts one's consciousness.
The last 40 years start to make sense in terms of mental illness and physical illness, and they vow to
try and manage their anxiety through a host of alternatives.

This is a hero's journey of trying to witness the abuses and/or traumas that have been too terrifying
to address.

If you have muliple voices in your head for years, or suffer from panic and anxiety attacks, or other
dysfunctional ways of coping with life; it is not possible to just turn these automated responses off.
It is also a daily challenge to know what is rea, and what is not real.

Mix that in with some other family dysfunctions such as alcoholism and chronic depression(parents)
and you have alot on your plate.

Watching this film made me cry a few times to see someone else experience the world in some of the ways that I perceive it.

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Uh, yeah, I know depersonalization is real and I don't need you to explain it.

Our hero never had multiple voices in his head, he didn't suffer panic attacks prior to the one in the movie (suspicious?), he didn't have any of those other "automated responses" during his lifetime; don't compare him to those people.

As mentioned in the film, he had never dealt with anything like it before. Period.

We're left to take his word for it. That he has DP. This kleptomaniac.

No, I'm still not convinced. Although, you're right, there are extremely rare cases of people developing depersonalization that late in life . . .

. . . it's still much more plausible that he's just a pathological liar, which often goes hand-in-hand with kleptomania anyway. Do you deny that?

Having a somewhat dysfunctional family and being depressed is nothing special in today's society, but that's all this guy moaned on and on about. He literally has nothing else to complain about in life and he just hates that. So, he lies. Pathetic.

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He is triggered when he smokes pot, becomes paranoid, and has a panic attack at the very beginning of the film. The pot initiates a shift in consciousness and some dormant trauma starts to work its from his unconscious to his conscious mind.

He is at a party at the beginning of the film, where he is first perceived by the female lead. He is very anxious, get up and leaves(probably to avoid a panic attack). She even relates this in her later dialogue.

He has a major anxiety attack in his parents bedroom and he has significant trouble breathing. He is taken to the hospital to help him come down from his attack. Those are a couple example just off the top of my head. It is also made quite clear that he barely leaves his house.

How do you know he didn't have automated responses? He was in a deep depression for most of his life. The film is called "Numb". The film focuses on when he finally starts to come into his own skin and realize how mentally ill he is. His perception of himself is trying to ground itself in reality. That's what the whole film is about. This film resonates with those of us that have this daily experience.

So your logic is that you cannot have a dissociative disorder and chronically steal pens? I have spent much time in inpatient and outpatient, psych group therapy. I have news for you, people who have mental illness
can have a host of illnesses, disorders, and dysfunctional personality traits all at the same time. In fact, it is rarely one thing, which is why it is so challenging to help them manage their lives.

I agree what having a dysfunctional family and being depressed is not uncommon. People who experience a temporary depression are not dealing with the same thing that a person who is clinically depressed. The same goes for anxiety. When it is all the time, and it never stops, life becomes very untolerable. This kind of depression where the world is colorless, tasteless, and you feel helpless
to feel again is the most terrifying place in the world.

Just-Jutt, your main point is that the character in this film is a liar about having a mental disorder. HE just "moans" and he is "pathetic". You also have intoned that the writer/director, in turn, is also lying.
For someone who doesn't seem to have much experience with people with dissociative disorders, you are sure definitive(and cursory) about who has one and who is a liar. Do you realize how your statements are ignorant and offensive? Especially in a discussion forum for a tiny movie, where a good portion of the people who visit are doing so because they might have a dissociative disorder.

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Quit ignoring my arguments, I'm not being ignorant and offensive, Chandler is for pretending to have a disorder that obviously affects many deeply.

My argument is not that you can't have depersonalization and still be a kleptomaniac. You know what, let me put it in all-caps this time, so maybe my point will get through to you:

I'M JUST SAYING, IT IS MUCH MORE LIKELY AND PLAUSIBLE THAT HE IS SIMPLY A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR (WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO GO HAND-IN-HAND WITH KLEPTOMANIA) RATHER THAN ONE OF THE VERY FEW CASES OF PEOPLE TO DEVELOP DEPERSONALIZATION THAT LATE IN LIFE.

And his little freak-out with his friends at the beginning of the movie could easily be explained, considering it happens to many who don't often smoke that much chronic.

The doctor simply takes advantage of him later in the film by telling him what he wants to hear.

He avoids people and events because he's neurotic and a hermit, which is also nothing special in today's society, not because he's mentally ill (he isn't). And he's a writer for Christ's sake, of course he's going to be eccentric in some way.

The panic attack in his parents room was funny and unexpected, no? It was like that because here is a full-grown man who has never had a panic attack before, being cradled by this doctor in a hospital with a paper bag. He claims the panic attack was brought on by the disorder. Convenient that it happened while visiting his parents, yes? Pffft, he's faking, how does no one else see that? He wants attention and credibility, despite being boring. He's Napoleon Dynamite.

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You keep on saying "one of the very few cases of people to develop depersonalization in life" or that this is very rare. Actually, this is quite common, and one of the hallmarks of dissociative disorders.

A dissociate disorder is created by the body and unconscious as a defense mechanism so that a person can survive a situation or environment. This is most commonly initiated during the developing years(usually in a family environment), but can happen after. The body learns to dissociate from itself.
The consequence is the beginning of a numbing existence, which usually becomes a chronic depression.

As years go on, and traumas go unprocessed, the body often becomes dependent on this dysfunctionality
in situations that are not dangerous at all, because it is too traumatized to tell the difference. (People who experience PTSD often mistake safe situations for past, dangerous situations because they are unprocessed by the body and brain.) The irony of dissociative disorders is that body is attempting to protect itself from harm, but it is wildly overcompensating, leaving a person detached from their body.

Many of the side effects of dissociative disorders can be kept at bay for decades, if the person keeps themself numb. Then a moment can arrive 30 years later that triggers unprocessed trauma.

When this happens then their is an awakening and awareness, and the symptoms of dissociative disorders come more clearly to the surface for the person that is experiencing it.

This is what happened to the main character, he was triggered somehow and he realized that he has been mentally ill, but has been numbing it out to not deal with it. The problem is that it can eventually take
over your whole body if you continue to numb and numb. The trigger itself could be anything, it could be a dream, watching a person look a certain way at you, smoking pot. The most important aspect is that there is an awakening and a person becomes acutely aware of there mentally ill experience that was not seen before because of numbness.

This numbness can be pushed down farther with dependencies on drugs and alcohol, which makes it
even more repressed.

When he is looking at his hand and doesn't understand why it doesn't look like his hand or that he has any sensory connection with it, this can be very disturbing and cause further panic(or numbness to repress the panic and make it seem like you are just fine.)

Dissociating from your sensory experience for decades is quite common and logical.

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A panic attack is NEVER funny. Your body goes into fight or flight and thinks its survival
is in jeopardy. Heart Rate increases, sweating, blood pressure, hyperventilating, hallucinations, not thinking it will ever stop. This a terrifying experience, and the panic usually compounds itself.

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I see no evidence that he is lying about having depersonalization. If you experienced this, you would know that there is no way in hell that you would ever choose to feel so helpless.

Maybe he does want attention. That doesn't mean he doesn't have depersonalization disorder. They are not mutuallu exclusive. People with dissociative disorders can have all of the behaviours of a mentally healthy person and have their illness on top of that.

Don't you want love and attention from your family? Dpesn't everybody.

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I wish you well. This film obviously stirred you and agitates you enough to keep on fighting for this idea
that the main character is a liar. I don't understand why this is so important to you? You are really resistant to the idea that this person has a dissociative disorder for whatever reason. Let me ask you this. What is your experience with people with dissociative disorders prior to this film? What makes you so credible on this subject?

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James Joy, sorry to hear you've got the DP too, but don't waste your time on this guy, he's gonna come back at you with his nonsense jibber jabber until you give up, because he really doesn't have anything better to do with his time, as he said, he works at an internet cafe, so he sits online looking to pick fights. (Between making the cafe latte's i presume?) He claimed i was the one looking to pick fights but now we all know since he's attacked two people since i've stopped posting, this is not the case, the guy is the Buster Bluth of real life. " Punch me in the face punch me in the face" but when it comes time to do so, he falls to the ground in a fetus position. Tough behind the screen, meet him in person, he'd prob run away screaming for a graham cracker. Honestly, I really wish these conversations were in person, but, his life is obviously so unfulfilling that he keeps coming back, day after day, and fighting with new people. I gave up "fighting" with him because this is the internet, and his "valid points" were becoming stupid and irrelevant, Don't let him goat you into becoming another one of the people who he tries to put down because he's a tough guy behind that screen, he's a person who just wants to get a rise out of people, simple as that, and i can't wait for his response to this post because we ALL know he'll have one, unless he can find an ounce of dignity not to make himself look stupid, but, that is very unlikely.

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I don't think it is helpful to personally insult Just_Jutt.

The film, "Numb" is the only film that I know of that directly addresses a dissociative disorder. When you
can see somebody in a film or tv show that tackles something that you struggle with everyday, it can be very supportive of your experience. It makes you feel a little less crazy.

I think that is why Just-Jutt's statements might be taken personally by people on this board with dissociative disorders. Calling someone a liar is an attempt to invalidate their experience, and
undercut support and empathy; which is precisely the kind of atmosphere alot of people with dissociative disorders grew up in. So it can push your buttons. Not to mention that he is spreading misinformation about depersonalization.

It's totally fine, though. I am really happy that this movie is out here. It is so exasperating to try and verbalize a dissociative disorder t somebody. It has made me feel crazy constantly. Sometimes I feel like people are looking at me like I am insane. This film is a little morsel of being able to share with another person part of what your experience might be like.

I do feel that as I put in the daily work of trying keep my equilibrium balanced, I begin to see how the mechanisms of my behavior work more clearly, which ultimately allows me to feel less crazy and be able to communicate my experience without having to need any sympathy at all. But empathy and compassion always helps in any situation for anyone. We need more compassion for eachother. Peace out

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How can you say that when you know he's personally insulted anyone with depersonalization disorder? ps, are you a member of depersonalization.co.uk? just curious

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Hey, Drummer. Long time, no see. So, I'm the one with no life, eh?

Nice to see you back after being too mature to argue with me. Well, besides the other two posts you deleted. Nice to see you're keeping informed on all the latest posts as well. Wow.

You're just too funny, man. Yeah, business is slow, I got spare time. So, what? You're such a hypocrite.

Stop trying to act tough in cyberspace. And lattes are goddamn delicious.

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Now look, jamesjoyvideo, he doesn't have just any dissociative disorder here, he has depersonalization . . . or, so he claims anyway. And depersonalization, in particular, usually first onsets between 16 and 23, although there have been some even younger cases. I said it once, you misunderstood, I'll say it again: Depersonalization very rarely starts developing in your late thirties and you won't be able to find any research or data that disputes that fact.

Funny how that quack didn't bring that piece of information to Chandler's attention. He's clearly taking advantage of this neurotic, but financially successful, screenwriter.

Deep down, Chandler knows he's being taken advantage of. But, he keeps seeing the same doctor, like a person who would pay a fortune teller, he simply wants somebody to tell him what he wants to hear.

Panic attacks are obviously not funny. When Steve Coogan stepped on a land mine in Tropic Thunder and blew himself to bits, that was hilarious. Because it was a traumatic situation under humorous circumstances. That's why the panic attack scene was funny, because it was supposed to be. A grown man having a panic attack for the first time. He later hypothesized that this first panic attack was brought on by his depersonalization.

My point was, since it's unlikely he has depersonalization at all, I'm lead to believe that he faked the attack to get his parent's attention. Maybe he wanted to try and show them how screwed up they made him (sympathy, pity). If he faked that, he'd probably lie to keep it going and fake a lot more.

Look, I just see through the cracks in his story, that's all. I'm resistant to the idea that this person has depersonalization because it's not logical and am insulted that someone would pretend to have it.

Which he clearly is doing, for I can only assume, to seek attention and pity. You've all been played. In a sense, he's mocking people with true psychological disorders. Maybe that's why I'm so stirred-up and agitated by this character.

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Haha can you ever use any of your own arguments, i say your the one acting tough you turn it around on me, god damn man, get some originality in your life, and i see you can't not respond, like i said, you love to pick fights, with two random people, so at least i know its not me.

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I am so sick of hearing what typically happens with people with depersonalization, do you have it? if you do I would have most likely taken all your arguments into account, you act like you know everything about it which started all of this.

I have it, and yes, pot set it off, just like the movie, do i blame pot? No, it's a DORMANT condition that i've had my whole life. Its a form of SEVERE anxiety. You'd probably be more sensitive to the topic if you took 4mg of Klonopin daily just to feel normal again. Your insensitive and know nothing about the topic, the sad thing is, you know this, and you do it anyways. However, people like me and jamesjoy who have the issue take comfort in this movie, because it was virtually unknown to people like you until you saw it, but, that's fine, doesn't really matter. How's this, nothing you can say will change my mind, and nothing i can say will change your mind and vice versa, how about we agree to disagree, and if you can't handle that, than go eff yourself and have a nice life!

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So, you'd start taking me seriously if I had depersonalization? And it doesn't matter what I say, you'll never change your mind? Wow. You're so damn biased and closed-minded, you won't even admit the possibility that I might be right.

Of course you're gonna fight for a movie about depersonalization, despite all the holes in the story and how bad it really is. You're so impartial. I've admitted I might be wrong, just that it's more likely and plausible that I'm not.

And you keep talkin' about how much you'd want this conversation to be face-to-face, knowing full-well that's not gonna happen. That's not acting tough? Loser.

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I wasn't diagnosed with depersonalization til I was in my 30's. The support groups that I attend for depersonalization, I am usually the youngest or second youngest one there.

Tropic Thunder is a dark comedy. This film is clearly not, and it is based on somebody's personal experience. And by the way, that scene when he has a panic attack in his childhood house and hyperventiliates on his parents floor and his mother turns her back on him is not funny. It is an
exposition of character to help the audience understand the relationship he has with his mother, and her
awful parenting. It also reveals how his dad is his only form of support within his family, which helps to explain why he is so fearful of his death.

The majority of the film we spend with the lead character, he is alone. He is not attempting to illicit sympathy from anyone. He has cut himself off from the world and has fears of leaving his house. He is frightened of the world.

The people who live with it, have scoured the subject for years, and use outpatient group support to help understand their behavior have a hell of a lot more credibility than you.

If you were wise you would listen to learn more about this mental illness and show some curiousity. You show ZERO curiousity, and insteaduse all your energy to be combative and prove you are right.
Your argument doesn't hold any water. It doesn't even make sense.

I am not going to respond to you anymore. You are not worth the energy to try and share with, or even converse with.

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haha you said the exact same thing about the conversation being in person, actually i believe you were the one who first said " too bad it's not" So whose the hypocrite now?

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You are. That was my response to the post you made before it:

"I wish this wasn't online, I guarantee this conversation would be much different in person."

Try to remember what you type.

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The movie is a Romantic Comedy and that scene was supposed to be funny. His own mom won't even take his BS seriously. I'm not trying to diminish your struggle, okay. People tend to go to support groups later in life anyway, just because you don't see any young people at these groups, doesn't mean they don't make up a majority of the problem. That's like saying young people can't be alcoholics because they're hardly ever seen at AA meetings. He's faking.

Sure, he's lonely and neurotic, so are a lot of people. I'm not gonna feel sorry for him just because he's a hermit.

A study of depersonalization by the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry in New York found that the illness typically onsets at the age of 16. I don't need credibility if the facts are on my side.

Here's a link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14628973

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Oh trust me, i remember typing that, without a doubt, but I don't recall saying, "too bad it isn't." At least i admit to what i say, you're just as bad as me if not worse acting "tough" behind the computer screen, so don't come preaching like you're better than me, But you know what, Just-Jutt, you win, you came here with the notion to piss people off and stir *beep* up that you know nothing about, and hey, you accomplished that, my hat's off to you sir. I have no idea what you are going to do now, who are you gonna fight with now I wonder? Cause I'm done with you, james joy had it right when he said you aren't worth the time. Oh well, not my problem, congratulations, i mean that. See ya.

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So . . . now let me get this straight . . . you go on about how much you wish this conversation was in person, I agree with you, and suddenly I'm the instigator? Prick.

And only after about a month of bickering, you've decided I'm not worth your time?

Man, I forgot how hilarious you can be. Peace, brother. Thanks for the laughs.

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Haha wow i haven't checked this since march, and yet i come back and see this *beep* from quite the tool named Just Jutt. Yes, it was a pathetic main character. Did you watch the movie? that's what it was supposed to be, and look Mr. Internet Cafe bitch, you mentioned the in person conversation first, and trust me i'd love it. But, I Guarantee your too much of a pussy to fly to WORCESTER MASSACHUSETTS, yep thats where i live, come here, and we can finish this conversation man on bitch, me being the man, you being the bitch, But since you have a vagina, i know this wont happen, so, i guess i'll wait for your typical reply which holds no ground and NO BALLS! CANT WAIT!

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Heh-heh ... heh heh heh. Ha ha ha ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

... Christ, that was good. I needed that.

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hahaha and i needed that, proves my point, no balls, thanks!

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Get help. It was funny at first, but at this point I'm seriously concerned for your mental well-being. You need to stop checking these boards on a daily basis, screaming "no balls!" at your computer screen, looking for a fight.

Do you think I'm insane like you? You think I got no balls 'cause I don't wanna go to a randomly selected city to settle some stupid online debate (and Chandler was most definitely pathetic ... but not in any way the writer intended him to be).

Also, you were the first one to write how much you wanted this conversation to be in person, you know you were. So, on top of everything else, you're imaging things to justify physical violence? Freaking nuts.

Use your words, man.

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Do you think I'm insane like you?

I think you're worse. Having a mental illness is something that can't be helped. Being an attention seeking bully *beep* is something that can be helped.

You have come onto an imdb board about a movie about a mental illness, no surprise that you will find alot of mentally ill people here sharing stories etc.

You have posted deliberately provocative posts and are getting kicks out of arguing about them. One of the biggest conflicts inside someone with one of these disorders is to "snap out of it", "toughen up" and that you are worrying too much about nothing. By saying that you think this character is faking it, you are also saying by default that all the other people who have the same condition are faking it. This is similar to going to a rape forum and saying that people who are raped were asking for it. Because when someone is raped their feeling of themselves is so low, that on some level they believe that. It's the same with this. It's a soft spot. One of the biggest things with these type of things are that you are your own worst enemy. People don't need turds like you rubbing it in even more.

In our society, it's easier to come of the gay closet, then it is to come out with a mental illness.

You are worse then all the "insane faking it" people here combined. At least these people are brave enough to try and face up to their problems and try to fix them.

You were looking for attention and for an arguement when you made this topic. You didn't respond to the calm responses. You responded to the ones who you knew would argue back. And now you are crying because the DP people you are arguing with are "looking for a fight"?

Mental midget.

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"This is similar to going to a rape forum and saying that people who are raped were asking for it."

Harsh, dude. Me thinking Chandler is faking it does not mean anything else by default. It means I think Chandler is faking it. My problem is with the character, not any other underlining issue you and others may have imagined. Seriously, what's with you people and putting all these words in my mouth. Sheeesh.

And the DrummerBoy here IS insane. But I'm not making fun of his DP or whatever issues he's got, I'm responding to his sometimes ludicrous comments. I haven't insulted anyone who hasn't insulted me first.

People just don't like what I have to say, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong or even a bad person. There's nothing wrong with being amused by people getting worked up over text in cyberspace. And once again, how does this make me an attention seeking bully? This is a barely visited online message board only a small handful of anonymous users have responded to. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings with my opposing opinions concerning a piece of fiction. Just don't dish-out what you can't take.

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You are the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. Like i said, i hadn't checked this thing since March, and then i randomly come across it because it had been bookmarked and you respond at the drop of a hat. I will admit, saying come fight me is retarded, because it won't happen, but the difference between you and I is I can admit when I'm wrong, I'm not the only one whose called you out on this board and yet you have still attempted to back up your bull each time. I think you need to admit to yourself that you did come on here looking for a fight, and saying that you didn't insult anyone who didn't insult you first is nonsense, and everyone on here including you, knows this, so your just as "insane" as me.

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Decided to do some easy digging to prove that you come onto IMDB purely to insult people, and low and behold look what i found!

"Also try using capitalization; it's as easy as holding the 'shift' button when typing a letter."

Close, but this is the correct punctuation for that sentence:

"Also, try using capitalization. It's as easy as holding the Shift button when typing."

A comma after "capitalization" would've worked, too. But, don't give up. Read that grammar and punctuation book of yours one more time, semicolons are hard. Even Kevin Smith had a hard time with them, remember that sign in the first Clerks? "I assure you; we're open." lol

And I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to understand the poster really meant "supposed."

Pretentious prick.

But, I did really like the episode.

Case in Point, one of your "other posts" Looks here like you're looking to insult this kid, unless pretentious prick is a compliment where you're from, i'm not the one who needs help, you just may be able to articulate what you want to say better, but we both know you're the guy yelling at the computer trying to make yourself feel better by pissing people off, in most cases, that'd be cause to "get help". Oh and for the record, I say where i live because unlike you I'm not afraid, and dont hide behind my computer. You have not once done anything but dodge that subject or try to throw it back on me. I sincerely feel sorry for you, but your just an *beep* there's a ton of people that have to fight with others to make there mundane lives better for that little second. By now this is all a moot point, I couldn't care less if you think "chandler" is pathetic, just trying to help you realize your not right about everything like you think you are, but, that's most likely never going to happen.

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Yeah, I like to check my post-history whenever I'm on IMDb, but that doesn't make me obsessive like you.

When I saw your July post, I thought it was hilarious and replied, and when I saw your response to my message the very next day, I thought it was even funnier. What were you doing for those two weeks, just anxiously waiting?

And when I brought it up, I liked how you stayed away for a few days to prove me wrong.

At least I don't have this board bookmarked.

I know how much you want to meet me in person (which is weird all on its own) and that me not wanting to meet you in a city I can't possibly know is your hometown somehow makes me the coward hiding behind a computer, but that's just stupid. It makes no sense. And you call me the hypocrite. Also, who continues arguing after admitting to being wrong?

It's both creepy and funny that you're desperately checking my Family Guy message board postings for a stupid remark, 'cause I'm betting you couldn't find one here. I like the one you finally went with. Out of context, it does kinda make me seem like a douche, despite that I was actually defending another poster.

You're too much. This went from funny to sad to funny again.

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HA that was the FIRST post of yours i clicked on, i saw it responding to another person and thought, well let me guess, he's being a douche to another person, and i was right. You've done it plenty in these boards, even to the guy who posted above me, but we've all seen that, i'm just trying to prove you come on here trying to insult people, stop acting like you're above it, that's the really sad part.

Secondly I have a computer that bookmarks the sites i've gone to the most, so anytime i would type in IMDB, it would say "most pathetic main character" Unfortunately like you I found it entertaining enough to go to enough, don't act like you're better than that either, you've come on just as much if not more than me. Nice try tho tool.

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And the DrummerBoy here IS insane.

Well it takes two to tango. Especially in a long drawn out arguement like this that keeps going on and on and on.

I am not going to read over every word you have said, come up with some rebuttals. I am sorry to say that this topic is a only a minor event in my life. Got better things to do.

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Agreed, I dunno if JJUTT insulted you as well, but thank you for agreeing it takes two to tango, i agreed that a LONG time ago, this kid thinks he can say whatever the hell he wants and he's never wrong, basically, he thinks he's a girl, jjutt, you want a sex change? I'm sure you can afford it on that internet cafe salary of yours.

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guys guys guys.. seriously opposite corners. I don't generally get in the midddle of flames.. but there are FAIR points on both sides here that neither one of you are willing to see.. because you both have your own very personally held reasons for them. NOT having this disorder, or.. what have you.. I can't really relate.. but as from what I can tell most of the symptoms whould have..at some point been.. maybe not apparents.. but they should have manifested themselves, to some degree at a younger age.. if I am reading these posts correctlr?

Now.. Jutt Jutt.. while being kind of bullheaded about it. is NOT saying that the condition does not exist, as several members of this board have very muchly demonstrated. His contention is the character MAY or may NOT (his side) suffering from it.

The condition is brought on after a night of smoking pot. Now I don't know HOW this condition manifests, yet again..although its clearly been established that pot can bring its latent effects to the surface.. yes?

What Jutt Jutt HAS been point out.. is that there was no prior indication of a problem (not meaning much.. as problems CAN go unnoticed..although likely there would have been some hint of a problem.. and this isn't covered in the film I take it?).

And.. I think you ALL seem to agree the character is quite neurotic? possibly hypochondriac perhaps? Now the point of the doctor NOT being able to help after an extended period of time.

Well honestly.. it sounds like this character does NOT seek a second medical/psychological opinion? That may just have been skipped over.. but this would be something you'd EXPECT. if you are diagonosed with something. you should make sure you do have it.

Doctors sadly are incentivized, another point brought up, to push certain drugs.. and telling a man who.. might have just had a SIMPLE panic attack (it happens.. I've been having trouble this week.. and been taking something to keep myself calm, and I HATE meds. its just some personal family issues.. and I don't believe will be a recurring problem. just not able to keep myself relaxed).

BUT.. let's just say.. Is it POSSIBLE this doctor could be diagnosing a disorder or condition to sell prescription drugs? We've seen plenty of studies on how many children now are on "anti depressants.. mood elevators.. ridlin, and the like. over the last few years.

Now this doctor tells this already neurotic character.. who MAY have just bad a bad experience with marijuana that he may have this condition.. it wouldn't be unlikely that he could obsess over and perhaps even unconsciously manifest these symptoms?

I am just asking if this is out of the realm of possibility. If someone thinks they are sick.. or have something..might they not start to think. and even possibly act it out? Even in a NORMAL (yes.. I know a very loaded word) person. The power of suggestion can be quite potent. But couple that with a neurotic personality. or hypochondriac.. it could be quite dibilitating.

ON THE OTHER HAND..

He smokes pot.. we don't know if this was the first time.. or is possibly just (as it has been said he smoked ALOT?). That perhaps its NOT just pot.. but perhaps the AMOUNT of pot, at one time, that crated a kind of.. open window for the condition to begin to manifest itself.

Those are the two arguments.. and I can appreciate the level of.. fervor and passion on each side FOR them.. but must it be this side is always right and wrong?

Jutt Jutt did make some off hand comments. that may have come off wrong.. but he is NOT dismissing the existence of the condition. Just tht he believed the chracter as shown may not have HAD It.. but being a reclusive.. and neurotic.. may have latched onto it as.. well an answer.. the reason he felt the way he did.. but may have taken it too far. As. if you think you have something.. you can begin to. unconsciously act it, even if you don't. The word placebo effect.. not quite right, was used. Is it possible that a doctor misdiagnosed a character who was prone to take things overboard? I think its a valid argument.. and something we should look into. As I think prescription abuse by DOCTORS is much worse a problem tham we tend to realize. And an unscrupulous doctor may have seen the character in his fragile state as an easy mark.

Although.. I myself too would find it strange he did NOT seek a second opinion.. Jutt Jutt was NOT denying the existence of the condition, just that it was possible he did not have it

While its empowering to see yourself on the screen.. and I find it very much a.. not vindication.. But there is something for someone having realized something. and showing a part of the world that people and conditions that aren't common.

Now.. the onset of the disease is usually younger.. but.. the word is USUALLY. Doesn't mean it couldn't manifest itself at ANY age. And.. JUST smoking pot.. may not have triggered it. but smoking ALOT of pot? possible could have.

I think its important to look at the film from both sides.. and realize both could be right or wrong. The condition is REAL.. Jutt Jutt is NOT saying it doesn't exist.. just that he felt the main character's neurotic nature and subsequent nature. which it sounds like the film has the kind of over typified Hollywood woman makes it all better ending? Would make me wonder as well.. as most of the posters talk about daily medication required to fight the symptoms? was he still on that medication when the film ended?

Like I said.. I haven't seen the film.. but have always enjoyed Perry's work.. and ran across a link about the film on another board.. Anyway.. peace be with all of you guys.. its a hard fight.. one that I know I can't possibly understand.

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