I would even say he's more to blame than Bordon. Clearly he wasn't prepared enough if the trick went wrong. One guy with an axe wasn't enough. He should have had several people with axes waiting with him for that trick in case Julia couldn't get out.
shareShould've been a bigger axe. Just many ways in which that went wrong. She could've so easily been saved. When the glass broke, she hadn't been breathing for a few seconds, and they didn't even try CPR. Don't know if that method was widely known then, but it still seems rather instinctual. If they had, her biggest problem would've just been a few cuts from the glass.
shareYeah, I get why Angier blamed Bordon but that whole trick was poorly planned if it went wrong. They clearly never tested to see how quick they could smash the glass, or if other axes worked better. But several guys, even just one more along with Cutter, would have definitely saved Julia in time.
shareI wish you hadn't titled this thread with a spoiler.
shareThe movie is 14 years old, it's your fault if you haven't seen it by now.
shareYou've seen every movie that's ever been released?
shareThe movie had been out for 14 years, we are not longer obligated to put spoiler warnings up, are you seriously suggesting we have to do that forever? Grow up
shareAgain, not everyone has seen every movie in the world like you apparently have. It's not polite to spoil it for those who have not seen it. Would you want to know the ending or something significant in an older movie you've never seen but want to see? As for "Grow up", grown ups don't chide or bully someone for something so benign.
shareNo one is bullying you quit playing the victim. And if you haven’t seen this movie after 14 years that’s your own fault. If you want someone to blame blame yourself
shareIndeed, not; grown-ups display maturity, and part of that is certainly deferring to others whenever possible (not giving in on principles or things of importance, but certainly out of kindness with something like movie spoilers).
I'm reminded of Kingsman. In the first film, I seem to recall a scene where Harry Hart explains to Eggsy that part of being a gentleman is not looking down on other people, and it really indicates an important point about taking the high road whenever possible.
You are quite correct here, leah2k0
Thank you, Ace. You explained it beautifully, much better than I ever could. :)
shareYou're welcome. I try to hop in to affirm those points of view worth aiding. I've had it happen to me a few times and I always felt a little less like I was banging my head against a brick wall for the effort, so I try to back up others.
And thank you for the compliment.
It's not an obligation, but it is courteous to avoid such things. While I agree there is a statutes of limitations on such things, and while I do personally avoid message boards for films I want to remain spoiler-free, I also think it doesn't take much effort to title threads in a spoiler-free fashion, and that such a practice displays a bit of selflessness, wisdom, and consideration for other movie-lovers. It costs nothing to be polite, respectful, and to conduct oneself with decorum and tact.
It's my opinion that learning to be courteous to others is an important part of growing up.
This thread might have been named, "Cutter is just as much to blame as Borden," or "Cutter is responsible for the death, too!" either of which tell viewers of the film what the subject is without revealing so much information as to disclose a big plot point/twist in a film.
Anyone who hasn’t seen the movie by this point probably should have known better than to be on this message board if they really want to avoid spoilers. We shouldn’t have to make special accommodations for people who didn’t see this movie when they had the chance during the past 14 years
shareYou don't have to. It is kind, mature, courteous, and thoughtful to think about other people and put their interests above your own.
shareYes, that should have been avoided. I try to title things without spoilers and give a LOT of warning in replies as well. I understand that the film is old, but I still don't want to accidentally wreck things for somebody new to it.
shareIt's more of a "you knew the risks" type of situation than so much about blame. They could have just opened the tank at the top since it was a trick lock but that would expose the secret, rendering it worthless.
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