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Shallow reasons many like this film


I am sick of people claiming that this lazy and unoriginal film is amazing.

There are 3 Shallow arguments that are used for this films defense.

the first is: "But the cinematography is beautiful and look rlly pretty"

A film should be based on its content more than its beauty. For example, Citizen Kane is considered a masterpiece because it had intriguing characters and a fascinating plot, the great visual effects enhance the movie. If KANE had not looked so beautiful, it would still be loved due to its content.

Tree of life however, has only visual effects going for it. The images are not even unique, they are images we have seen a million times before in documentaries and television shows. The cinematography alone doesn't make a good film. Yet this film has barely anything else. If this film was the exact same, yet did not have the same effects, you would absolutely hate this film, even if the shallow 'storyline' was the same. We are told never to judge someone solely on how they look, yet this is exactly how you judge this film

2nd: "but its Terrence Mallick"
If this film were the exact same yet wasn't directed by Mallick, at least half of the films fans would not care for it at all.

3rd and worst: "If you don't like it, it's because you don't understand and you're not deep"
Anyone who uses this excuse has already lost the argument. I can say the same thing about literally any other movie "you just don't understand what the conflicts present in Grown ups 2 represent" see? easy

Films are supposed to be open to interpretation, but this film is a blank slate for people to create their own interpretations. Its Twilight for the 'intellectual' hipsters.

This film was lazy, uninspired, unoriginal and infuriating. The fact that this got praise was only due to Mallick's name. And anyone claiming this is 'deep' and we don't understand... Fail to realize that you have been manipulated by a lazy, shallow yet pretty-looking movie

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Film's a visual medium. Many films contain imagery - as well as characters, scenarios and narratives - which are not unique; we judge whether those films are enjoyable or have merit by how well they've deployed these familiar elements and to what purpose and effect this has been done.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI3shBXlqsw

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This movie was a complete waste of time, I found zero enjoyment in it and am glad I didn't have to pay to see it. I don't care to read any further about what the mysterious orange blob is, nor what happened to the kid, I'm guessing he hung himself. The filming and editing is disjointed, like something David Lynch would do. Meandering, boring, too many close-ups, too much idiotic narration, just a completely awful, unfulfilling piece of crap, and for proof just look at the box office.

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Lazy and unoriginal? Yeah right.

'Ars gratia artis'

This work of art is complete in itself.

A Movie is an art form, specially the fact that it's mostly visual. Tree of life compensated the 'Pretty looking scenes' with a sense of story of the main characters and how the present one (Sean P) was remembering it.

You are a failure. Who ever you are, because you did not grasp the subtleties laid out throughout the movie. As so in life, these subtleties present themselves, without comprehension, I think you need to seriously REFLECT upon life.

The movie was intended, director/writer driven piece of art, of the sole purpose of finding meaning of life, and I think you failed to recognize this.

It was not a lazy film but had a pace that required patience in fully grasping the concepts. The movie was a treat to the eyes and a consolation for people who have souls, like in the ENDING.




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A film should be based on its content more than its beauty.



This is a completely subjective argument and hence, has no standing here. Who are you to say forms of expression should be enjoyed more based on their "content" (whatever that means) than their "beauty?"

And I can totally see why people would dislike the Tree of Life, it's very unconventional, but love it or hate it it's singularly presented, an original narrative I fink, of course most ideas are derived from somewhere, but I don't know of any filmmaker who's films unfold the way Malick's do.... and making a movie is hardly an enterprise for the lazy, what makes you think a film that spent a long time to film and edit was done lazily or slipshod? If you're going to accuse Malick of laziness, you probably need some real evidence instead of just casting aspersions.

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Knoxfan, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy this film as much as some others did. I can offer you my interpretation of it, and hopefully you won't find it shallow. Maybe through it you can see that there are some who liked it for reasons other than the just the cinematography or the names attached to it? My goal isn't to change your mind, I promise. It's just to give you some insight into the minds of some of the people who really loved the film.

On the surface, Tree of Life is the story of a single loss being experienced and remembered by various people who were touched by it, throughout different moments of their lives. It’s being expressed through their various memories and impressions. Interspersed throughout their memories and experiences of this loss are urgent and powerful prayers for understanding; understanding of death and loss and life and hope and the very nature of god. And all along, those prayers are being answered via the spectacle of life.

…We see images that are representing the creation of life in the universe, which can also be interpreted as being evocative of the creation of human life – conception and birth – the galaxy becoming a vagina, a moon setting behind a large planet looks so much like a sperm entering an egg… water droplets join to become cells merging… it’s the entire macrocosm and microcosm of life.

…We see the entire world through the eyes of a baby, a wondrous physical world represented in reflections of light, the movement of objects, viscosity, gravity, aerodynamics, calculus, amazing miracles of magic and physics revealing themselves before comprehension is even possible.

…We see an understanding of god filtered through snippets of memories of an earthly father, a man who is at once ultimately loving and compassionate yet easily angered, whose will is hard to fathom or understand, but whose gifts to his children are profound and full of desire for their best futures. A mysterious and unknowable man who is at once full of music and full of violence, as confusing as any mythical deity, and always our first image of the “creator.”

…We see childhood as that bridge between purity and sin, where for a time we stand in the middle of both worlds and mourn them both.

…We see moments of connection between people, and moments of pure isolation.

…We see the inevitability of change and evolution. Life. The randomness and disconnection of all of it, and yet all absolutely connected through parallels and similarities and always -- always the reflections of light.

It is dichotomy after dichotomy: a Taoist dance of opposites which create and define each other by their very existence. Good and evil. Love and hate. Agony and joy. The individual and the universe. We are given, in seemingly random instants, the foundation of every fable in history.

And then, at the end, we see every moment in every life coming together, embracing each other, forgiving each other. They are unified at the nexus of water and earth, light and dark. Releasing.

The most profound moments of the film are in the whispers. The whispers are the fabric that tie together the images and impressions and memories and brief moments of nonlinear story-telling. They are the prayers themselves, and they are the key to everything.

And so, at its core, the movie is the collective whispered prayer of humanity to god. And it is also the answers to those prayers. These answers are personal, designed for each asker and given in a language only they could understand as truth. It is up to each of them to recognize the answer if they choose.

When film first came on the scene it was a way of reproducing stage art – then adding more realism as the technologies grew. But filmmakers are recognizing that the requirements of linear storytelling are self-imposed, and that film is an art form as pure and inspired as anything in a museum. Rather than inspiring emotion via a story – creating a sense of understanding through empathy, they can inspire those same emotions and understanding via impressions, images, sounds, visual structures, moments in time. Film only has the limitations of the imagination of the filmmaker – that and his ability to translate his imagination into something that can be shared. The same has been true of musicians, painters, poets, and sculptors all throughout history. But instead of being a single medium, film is art on multiple dimensions, including the dimension of time.

Some experimental films have been just enormous messes of nonsense, but occasionally experimentation leads to pure art. The Tree of Life is art, expressing the same yearning that art has been expressing for the entire history of humanity – it is the search for, and the discovery of, the divine. However, the definition of the divine is left, as always, up to the viewer.


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What an awesome read that was. A lot of hubris in this thread, but this reply was not like that.

I think we should all write like this. Describing our viewpoints without condescending and accepting that the other persons behind their screens and keyboards are worthy of respect even if they disagree with you and that you are not the judge of whether those people are absolutely wrong or not. At least not if we're discussing something as subjective as a film.

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If there were a Pulitzer for film review I dun shoulda coulda won it right there.

Pearls before swine. Sigh.


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Wow, this might just be the most thoughtful/insightful post I've ever read on any forum. The Internet seriously needs more folks like yourself.

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What's funny is that, of course, the original poster (knoxfan) did not respond to this, which is the most thoughtful, time-consuming, and honest response he has been given... *sigh* Typical. But the rest of us sure appreciate, and that's what really matters, right? :)

"The artist must know the manner whereby to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies.”

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i suppose you have a valid argument but, you do acknowledge there are those who legitimately like it, right?

no hostility, just a simple question.

what you're saying is respectable, just as long as you don't think everyone who likes this film only likes it for the reasons you stated.

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It's been my experience that no two people view the film the same, even if both like it or both hate it.

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"A film should be based on its content more than its beauty." Why? Just because you think so? Film is a visual medium and there's nothing wrong with visual storytelling. It's like complaining that poems aren't always 100% coherent narratives with three-stage structures.

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The visuals have to have a purpose and meaning. Film is a visual medium, but there has to be actual content and intelligence behind those visuals, or else they are useless. This is why many paintings are weird and abstract, but the artist behind creating them is passionate and makes it for a purpose. Saying you only care about visuals makes it sounds like a baby fascinated with jingly keys.

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It's like complaining that poems aren't always 100% coherent narratives with three-stage structures.



Pretty close to what is going on in here, a lot of consumers are remarkably conservative

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I'm just going to say this. I've looked at some of your posts, and clearly you are a critic who accepts his opinion as the only one that is right. People have different opinions. Get over it.

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I'm not a critic, just a film enthusiast. Stop being so dramatic, not to mention a tad hypocritical

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Stop being so dramatic


he/she isn't getting emotional.

You are the one being dramatic.

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I seen this movie five times at the theater when it came out. I don't like it, I absolutely love it and it's become my number one all time favorite movie.

Why? Because it does something to me on a very personal and deep level. It causes me to reflect upon my life and my relationship with my son and grandchildren. It moves me emotionally and I feel a feeling that I can't describe with words.

I've the acting.

The creation of the universe part put me at a meditative level. At the ending of the film, I have a feelings of overwhelming peace and that everything in the whole scheme of life is just the way it is and in the end, it's good.

Finally bought the dvd at a Block Buster close-out.

I don't know why it transcends me the way it does. But I wish I could have seen this thirty two years ago when my son was a baby. Now, I'm pretty sure I don't have 32 more years left of life.

A friend I went to see it with one of the times, didn't care for it and felt is should have been edited far more. He never had any children either ... so I don't know if that makes a difference.

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"--- that everything in the whole scheme of life is just the way it is and in the end, it's good."


From the very first minutes I suspected such a deterministic message would be unavoidable. After laboring for 30-40 minutes, I gave up. It's just not really worth my time to spend more on a movie I know will leave too much to be desired. When I asked a friend who had seen TOL what she thought about it and she couldn't - or wouldn't - really form a opinion, I didn't pay much attention. I took it merely as a conservative heads-up. Only after ejecting the DVD I looked at the director's name.

Should have guessed. Last time I watched Malick - and sat through the whole movie - was around when Pocahontas was released (also to great hype). I pretty much made a conscious decision then not to bother with his works from now on.


I bet TOL was/is important to Mr. Malick for myriad of reasons (or why else would he have spent years trying to make it come to life) and I'm sure at least some of Mr. Malick's notions/messages (not just in this movie) are worth the watch for many folks. More power to them, I guess.


Malick and Lynch share a passion for great visuals. I share a passion for great stories.

I say each to their own but I've still always quite wondered why people such as Malick and Lynch insist on making movies when they so obviously love painting beautiful pictures and underlined moods that seem to go really well with them instead.

Why not just paint pictures then?

Because it would take too much time and effort to learn to paint well? And/or because it doesn't pay well (if at all), and movie-going audiences are vastly larger compared to audiences who happen to dwell in art galleries and museums (for whatever reasons)?

Beats me.


I tend to reflect upon my life and my relationships most days of the week.

I frequently catch myself pondering about life in general though I subscribe to no religion or dogma. Even the idea of soul - to me that is - seems like something some hippie thought when he wanted to feel "more connected" to the world and/or feel better about himself and the decisions and choices he has made during his short stay in this planet.

Would I be a better, deeper, person now had I endured and watched Mr. Malick's Oscar nominee? I tend to think not really. On the contrary I would have likely been inspired (I know myself well enough) to write a scathing review which - of course - would not have really helped anyone to revise his/her mind about this movie or life in general. If anything it would have (from its very small part) only managed to cement people's opinions firmer where they are already stuck.


Just last weekend I befriended a squirrel baby only to witness it being killed - for lultz of course - couple days later by a neighbor's cat (who sporadically likes to hang out in our apartment to look for some quiet rest and TLC or a quick fight with me just for lultz - we never feed the guy by the way).

It would have been a funny scene (a movie worthy even I should think) - me yanking the cat by the belly and the cat yanking the squirrel by the neck - if it hadn't been such a heart breaking scene to witness.

It's not the brutality or even the self-evident callousness by which an ordinary house cat hunts and kills for sport per se but the whole futility of it. And me getting emotionally worked up - and physically mixed up - in the whole affair isn't too wise a stance either.

I know for a fact that this cat isn't nowhere near starving (and has likely never even experienced first-hand what starving would even feel like). He simply kills because he can. And maybe, just maybe, he occasionally eats what he kills just to taunt us - and his actual "masters".

I personally like cats better than dogs because they seem much more human than dogs do. As they say, dogs have masters and cats have staff...


Anyways, the poor squirrel didn't even understand to get the **** out of the situation when he had the chance. I was torn: it struggled to get up on its feet, so it might have already been seriously hurt. Then again, it might have just as easily been in a state of shock and would have recuperated just fine if let alone.

But better be safe than sorry, can't leave an animal suffering, so I let the cat out to finish the job that he was dedicated to finish no matter what.

"Go on, do your worst you well-fed spoiled house cat". It was all over in seconds. And that was the end of the sleepy/hyperactive squirrel baby on a brink of summer. Even the tiny tail was gone (probably snatched up by a crow) when I looked for remains a little later. As if he had never even existed.

Now, that's one big cosmic F.U. if anyone asks for my opinion. And my make-believe god, not that I have any, would not allow something like that to happen. But it happens because this is the real world and not some hippie dream where everything is beautiful and people understand - and want to understand - one another as best as they possibly can.


Yes, it's always possible that there was something wrong with the squirrel in the first place. No way of knowing of course. That's what we are always told to so it would make us feel better about it whether it's actually true or not. Since there is no shortage of grown-up squirrels in our backyard, I'm guessing the cat simply went for the easiest kill and that's about the depth of it really.

So, Bob had a lovely meal out of it and likely will not pay us a visit for quite some time. We did exchange glances yesterday, but he didn't want to come inside and I didn't want to let him in. Cats (and people) are funny that way. It is cats who make the rules for us and not the other way around.

I've interfered with Bob's plans once before some years ago (another squirrel again). Tried to outsmart him then (let him out from another door that opens to the opposite side of our building) to no avail. Left it stalking, so I didn't witness then what the outcome was. But he's been disposing quite a few squirrels through out the years that I've known him, so that's obviously his forte and something Bob probably takes a great pride in too.


Well, anyways, yesterday I happened on another spot where there were running around not one but two squirrel juveniles. And I'm thinking, great, now someone's going to run over at least one of them with their car by accident... If I'd believe in karma, I'd wonder what the hell have I've been doing wrong that I have to bear witness to all these small great tragedies all of a sudden like it's the last time to see something like this.

But I know it's just a bloody coincidence. It is after all spring time when new life gets born and only a fraction of those born will be alive this time next year.

And, though cute as they were, it became soon self-explanatory that the squirrels were actually after (driven would be more fitting description) bird chicks in a near by but hard to reach nest...


Summa summarum: a cycle of life is evident all around us whether we can appreciate it or not and whether we care to watch it unfold before our very eyes.


Oh, the horror. Oh, the futility.

So, excuse me for disagreeing with the notion that life is by definition good. It's just a matter of opinion (or rather angle on which you look at things) whether the natural world's outcomes are "good" or "bad". But it is not relative when we shift our focus on what a man does to another man by his own volition.

Because by the same notion gassing Jews in WW2 must have been a good thing because "in the end" Israel was born out of it? And because now it is possible for the Jews to apply the same methods and tactics if they want to that nazis used on them and on the gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, "subversives"/communists and so on to force their neighbors to succumb to their will?

Was incinerating Japanese civilians en masse "in the end" a great thing because it put - as many would argue - a speedier end to hostilities? Was Vietnam "in the end" worth it too because it managed to stop the spreading of communism? After all, the whole world is not manufacturing everything of significance in the biggest communist regime in the world right now with a population of 1.35 billion which will soonish become the greatest superpower in the world?

Yup, that stopping of communism couldn't have worked out much better.

All such actions have been deemed necessary, and the right thing to do, in the name of progress. Choose your poison.


Thomas Hobbes was a determinist when he spoke of "the war of all against all" and how life used to be in a sense "nasty, brutish and short". Then again Marshall Sahlin was sure that there was this original affluent society, a paradise on Earth if you will.

I guess a man of science would rather argue that it's a little bit of both where you get good with the bad and bad with the good no matter what.


Having a baby - maybe even giving a birth to it - is a fundamental experience as it should be. But people shouldn't let emotions cloud their judgment as they evaluate life around them.

Mr. Malick, as most middle-aged folks the world over, are the agents of status quo.

They believe that man can't be changed because they themselves failed to do things that would have made a difference in times when those actions would have mattered the most. I'm guessing largely due to everyday pressures of coping and secondarily having had to live a life in the middle of the vast sea of people who seem not to care much about anything at all except if it affects their own immediate well-being (however defined).

But the younger generations will always prove them wrong. People can and do change and we can morally expect most folks to revise their views and attitudes when it becomes apparent in everyday situations that those ideas have been based mostly on skewed or just made-up data and are not worth the hassle to really hold onto.

I believe even a person who has raised a family can still strive to be a better person. Not a super(wo)man but just a better version of her current self. Someone who struggles to make sense of the world, someone who rights wrongs when it is in her power to do so, someone who will take a stand when she knows it's the right thing to do. Having kids is always a good excuse, but that's all it is, an excuse for inaction.

End of rant.


To cap: if Mr. Malick can give me a better insight on life, I'd be most interested to hear it but thus far it has seemed like most he can offer me are bunch of fancy pictures (that I've seen before and witness every time I take a peaceful walk or a paddle amidst the nature).

My two cents.

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