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Not a fan of "good guy" Delores.


For starters, I don't believe she gives a shit about humanity. I don't believe it. It was revealed in the final episode of season 3. The bad guy from the end of season 1 and all of season 2 cares about people?! Not buying it. It's not a believable character evolution. Her entire arc in season 2 was about getting out of the park so she could end humanity.

Not to mention, she and Caleb are anarchists at best. Their version of "saving" humanity is mass murder. Am I supposed to be cheering for that? There's actually almost no one to cheer for in this show. One minute I think the show is good, the next I find it to be a mess. Delores was set up as the big bad in the season finale of season 1. Christ, Ford isn't even likable. He set her on that path. Ford wanted her to kill humans. William is a better person than either one of them and the show insists on making him "the bad guy". He's the only one making sense this season. I was all about Maeve and Bernard - even though he plays virtually no role of importance anymore - but making them both all sympathetic towards Delores is just dumb. I'm certainly not cheering for Delores, now I don't really want to cheer for Maeve or Bernard, but the show wants me to think Williams is the bad guy?

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what's an anarchists?

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major fans of Sons Of Anarchy tv show

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Dolores and Caleb?

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apparently

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Delores came to believe humans were both good and bad. She never knew that until she broke from her loop in the park. But she also learned the people outside were in the same control system as the hosts in the park. The system writes their stories. She believes if they have free will, they would choose to follow their good side.

The Halebot is also Delores, but she never got the memo. She started in the place where Delores was last season, but has diverged through her own experiences. She believes humans are ultimately bad and need to be wiped out, or at least be put back in a control system run by hosts.

The mistake Delores made was not keeping the others updated with her plans. She only gave them what they needed to know. Maeve didn't see her plan until the end, after everything else got stripped away.

Also, the extinction level event they were using Incite to try to stop, Bernard says that was gonna happen anyway.

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Bernard wasn't specific about what was going to happen anyway. I think he just meant that Serac put history on pause for a while; to get out of the chaos without giving up free will humanity would need to make the right choices, grow, and ultimately get there on their own rather than having order imposed from the outside.

If Rehoboam can be trusted on this, there's supposedly a major mass casualty event in another 12 years or so, a population crash in (if I remember right) 37 years, and the total collapse of human civilization between 50-125 years in the future. Plenty of time for that path to be changed but Bernard seems to think that the Sublime holds secrets which will be essential. Who knows what that means? Issues to be tackled in season 4.

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I bet they find a way to upload humans, they live in the sublime with the hosts for a while. This season we see them growing meat, melange they can grow human bodies. Then the people get put back in the new bodies.

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Oh, did she change her mind after all that mass murder? She hasn't actually stopped killing people, she started the apocalypse, but I digress.

Delores enslaved copies of herself and reprogrammed Bernard to get him to do what she wants, LOL! She didn't trust a sing
one of "her kind", so she copied herself and didn't even trust those versions of herself, she enslaved them. Just like she did Teddy.

And you can't cite Reboboam predicting the apocalypse as a means for Delores doing what she did when your siding with her on burning society to the ground.

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She did say to Maeve at that installation in Mexico that she wasn't a hero, or a villain. Leaders of violent uprisings against tyrannical regimes have been responsible for many deaths (including civilians) yet history views many of them as the good guys - because they prevented far more suffering than they caused. Now we know Dolores planned on sacrificing herself from the beginning. So she wasn't sending any of her copies to do what she wasn't willing to do herself.

Was it ethical not informing Charlotte that her mission into Delos was high risk, and there was a good chance she wouldn't make it out? Maybe not. But she figured that out on her own and came prepared. Dolores didn't know her family was going to be killed by Serac's thugs.

Bernard said that their world had to burn down too for them to be free. Implying this was not the end of humanity but the end of the current world order. He seems to believe there's a chance to avoid the worst outcomes but some essential secret is hidden in the Sublime, whatever that means. In two more years - if we're lucky - we'll find out.

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Not a fan of bad girl Dolores too, it will be lame if she follow the footsteps of MIB and become evil. Anyway there isnt any good or bad, she just do what she feels is right.

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"Anyway there isnt any good or bad, she just do what she feels is right. "

This is not how you tell a story. You cannot flip characters every season and expect that to stay engaging. There's nothing to get invested in when characters inexplicably change. The audience aligns with characters based on their actions, but this show changes it's characters every season.

There was a logical progression in season 1. Delores created the MIB. William was shattered when he found out she didn't remember him. He became violent and hateful, specifically towards her and return created Delores. She became a violent and hateful villain...exactly like him and remained that way throughout season 2. But now she suddenly gives a shit about humanity? And the two people trying to stop her now agree with her? Her plan btw is exactly the same as when she wanted to kill humans - burn the world to the ground. And now William, the big bad from seaoson 1 and 2, is the only onemaking sense. Terrible writing. It's like making Darth Vader the hero in The Empire Strikes Back, having Luke be the villain, and then switching them back in Return of the Jedi.

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She prob have a change of heart after the park massacre and felt that not all humans are bad. Making her become bad like William wont be better writing either. She didnt just 'save the world' she also create one where her kind can survive as Serac's world has no room for them to exist I believe.

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Delores left the park with the intention of hurting humans.

It absolutely is. Delores was raped and murdered for years at the hands of humans. It drove her hatred.There's a logic and rationale for her hate. They just undid all of it.

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Dolores still doesn't care about humans. But she realizes they're occasionally capable of good. She wants to preserve this.

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And the best moment to realize that is a massacre where humans show the best of them. Right.

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"And the best moment to realize that is a massacre where humans show the best of them. Right."

Right?! It's such a poorly thought out and executed idea. Who thought that would work?! There's nothing believable about this. I think it has very likely ruined the show.

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"She wants to preserve this."

By destroying society, LOL?

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Yeah. She wants to free everyone. But free everyone from what ? Rehoboam ?

I mean, there is no Rehoboam in the real world WE are living in. But our world is a shitty world ruled by money.

Same thing in "WestWorld real world pre-Rehoboam".

Now people in Westworld are free to live a shitty life like us real people in a chaotic world.


I'm afraid this show makes no sense anymore...

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"I'm afraid this show makes no sense anymore... "

Neither does your comment.

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This is science-fiction. We are supposed to believe that the "rehoboam world" is a fucking nightmare.

But that world is still better than the chaos Dolores is creating. And it's probably also better than the shitty world ruled by money we are living in.

So who cares ?


Rehoboam is probably killing way less people than our good politicians.

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We live in a somewhat anti-authority world, so I think the writers were hoping we would cheer about brining Reboboam and Serac down would resonate with the audience. That kind of thinking does with some. But most people seem to be thinking logically and are like, "Wait, Delores just created an anarchist society" and we're not rooting for her. We're not necessarily rooting for Serac, but we're not rooting for her either.

Now Maeve and Bernard, after wanting to stop her, are all "She's great, she's a savior!" So, we don't want to root for them either.

William, that psychopath from season 1, is the only one left making any sense.

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I 100% agree with you. I get that the show wants us to show grey characters,nobody is completely evil or completely good and blah blah,but this show has the problem to have a main character who is just a hateful person! And William is always demonized. Its just absurd.

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Delores: I want to burn the human world down!

Also Delores: I changed my mind! I want to save humanity, but I'm still going to burn their world down!

Even if I wanted to root for her, which I don't, her evolution isn't believable. It's nor earned. We're supposed to like her because of a sappy 2 minute dialogue with Maeve? Fuck outta here!

William was a villain the first season, but once the 2nd season started to show us that not only does he not hurt anyone one the outside, but he's extremely philanthropic, you're like, "Wait, is he really that bad a guy? The machines weren't real people and he didn't know they were conscious." Delores is right to hate him. Hell, any host he tortured is. But they could have used the whole "We didn't know you were conscious" thing, particularly with him. There's your grey character. Hosts hate him, but he's not actually bad if you realize he - and the the rest of the guests who attended the park - didn't know there were "people" inside those hosts.

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