You can disagree all you want, but the consensus is it was a more critically acclaimed performance than anything Maggie has done. The point is, if they're even similar in acting prowess, then Basinger is the better fit since she's significantly more attractive. Who says a woman needs to be attractive to be Batman's love interest? How about every Batman movie and comic book ever. Next you're going to say Bond girls don't need to attractive. Now I know you're just reaching and getting desperate in this argument.
Your analogy of Costner and Hitchcock is nonsensical. Costner only ever made one movie which was nominated or won an Oscar. It was an anomaly. Hitchcock was nominated for Best Director 5 times and a further 50 nominations for his movies overall. His movie Rebecca also won Best Picture. Your analogy of Amy Adams is also stupid, because she has at least had 6 nominations. Maggie has simply had 1 nomination. That's it. And she looks like dog meat compared to Basinger. Like I said, if they're even close in talent, Basinger's looks puts her way over the top.
I hate to break it to you bud, but this is all opinion. You are not offering facts either. You saying Maggie is a better actress is also opinion. However, Pfeiffer's performance being more iconic than Hathaway's is a fact.
Yes, Ledger's Joker is nothing like the Joker in the comics. He plays a generic criminal who wears face paint (face paint was never an explanation for his white skin) and goes on about his scars like he's a child abuse victim. This was nowhere in the comics prior to this movie. Also he doesn't even use gag weapons. This is one of his signature traits in the comics. Again, stop fanboying and being inconsistent with your arguments. Either being faithful to the comics is a good thing or a bad thing, you can't jump in and out when it suits your argument.
Ledger only won the Oscar because he died. Pity win. You can't convince me otherwise. He practically won it before the movie even came out. Phoenix gave a great performance and deserved his win, but that was barely a comic book movie. It was an arthouse movie with the Joker name slapped on the title to sell tickets. Not in the same category of Batman 89 or even The Dark Knight. And don't put words in my mouth, I never said Oscars were the be all end all, I said it was the differentiating factor between Basinger and Maggie, neither of whom are exactly Meryl Streep. They're close enough but Basinger is significantly better to look at.
Dude, I think you are arguing with yourself at this point. YOU are the one who brought up faithfulness to the comics, not me. I just pointed out the hypocrisy in your arguments. Nolan's movies are NOT faithful the comics in many fundamental ways. Your arguments are dishonest and wildly inconsistent.
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einsteinfountain (922)
3 years ago
Now you are attempting to appeal to authority to invalidate my opinion. It is your opinion that she is more fit because she is more attractive. That is a prerequisite for you there is no rule book that requires that. Show me the comic book that specifically states that it is a rule that the love interest has to be a bombshell. Also I want to see where that is a requirement in the films as well. Have fun searching for that. Fyi just because other movies had that does not count as proof it is required. Also we were talking about how they performed in their Batman films. As it stands Rachael is less cliché than Vicky Vale. Rachael>>>Vicky and Maggie>>>Kim all day every day for me. I do not find Rosamund Pike attractive, good actress but in the end she was a Bond girl she does not strike my fancy in terms of women. There you go.
No my argument fits just fine. Your argument for putting Basinger over Maggie was she won an Oscar and Maggie did not. Now you are backpedaling because you realize it is a nonsensical argument. Emily Blunt has never been nominated for an Oscar but I would put her far above Basinger in terms of versatility. Michael Keaton only has one Oscar nomination Eddie Redmayne beat him the year he was running and has another nomination, so a win and a nomination. Does that mean he is better? Anthony Perkins who played the iconic Norman Bates was not even nominated for that role and only has one nomination with no win. That must mean Cuba Gooding Jr is a better actor than Anthony Perkins I mean he actually won his Oscar after all... This fits perfectly, Perkins only has one supporting nomination with no win. Cuba won the only supporting Oscar he was nominated for.
I never said I was offering facts you are the one who seems to think you are the sole authority on what determines quality. I never once said it was not my opinion. The argument was not about Pfeiffer vs Hathaway it was Maggie vs Basinger. Nice try on attempting to twist the argument though. Not to mention it was laughable you tried to make a case Barry was more remembered than Hathaway. What a joke.
So you are going to conveniently ignore the comics in which I linked you to? Quite funny man. I actually provided evidence and you ignore it. A generic criminal? No he has the purple suit, he is insane, he has the white makeup, maniacal laugh etc. Anybody can tell who that is without him saying he is the Joker. Nolan's Batman is more grounded than the past versions were.
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einsteinfountain (922)
3 years ago
So grounding it does omit some things but not to the point of being unrecognizable. We can tell who Batman and the Joker are. The scar stories are to toy with his victims which is a trait of the Joker. So no that in line with the character. Also nope you are the one being a hypocrite. So then lets just sum it up it is okay if Burton strays from the comic source material but not anyone else's interpretation. Do not be a blind Burton fanboy it makes you look ignorant. Show me a comic where Catwoman's story is her story in Burton's films. I am still waiting on that proof of yours. You know you can't provide it.
Ledger won because he was great not a pity win you will never convince me otherwise. So as it stands Phoenix>>>Ledger>>>Nichoslon. We will go ahead and put Phoenix at the top since you have no excuse to bail you out. As it stands both did better than Nicholson who not only did not win, he did not even garner a nomination for playing the Joker. Joker is a comic book film it is simply more realistic and grounded in the same way Logan is. Just because it is more grounded does not mean it is not a comic book movie.
Burton's movies are also not faithful to the comics in fundamental ways yet you say nothing. I said originally Hathaway's Catwoman was more in line with the comics than Pfeiffer's version. I never said it was 100% dead on. I also provided proof of the comics they took from and were inspired by for Nolan's vision. You did none of that in your defense.
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