I kind of enjoyed the film apart from Juno talking unlike any 16 year old I've ever seen. I think that by making Juno a real character the movie woud have been much more powerful. I cant understand why they made her a 16 year-old gag-spouting, care-free person. Thats a fantasy character.....
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All 16 year olds should just shut the *beep* up...would have made this piece of *beep* bearable
Deputy Davo's Pig Squeezing Country and Western Comedy Show.
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no, I think your wrong.. there are not many 16 year olds that reference lots of pop culture and music from the 70's. I think the point here is not how she talked but that she came off as rude and somewhat annoying becasue of her attitude and the way she talked. Remember the part where she first meet the future parents of her baby she was walking around their house touching stuff making smart-ass remarks about everything, being a know-it-all. Also, she plays this same sort of character in many of her films which tells me she can't play to many different roles.
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But is every single thing you say a clever crack, or biting sarcasm, or razor-sharp wit, or a pop culture reference, sometimes all seamlessly thrown together with confidence and care-free cool? Pffffft.
Its the same reason the wife would watch Gilmore Girls on the TV and I'd try and shoot it. Clever dialogue is one thing, I appreciate good writing, but not when every sentence is so carefully structured to be the craftiest, sharpest, wittiest utterance in the world. The most clever of people say things like that sometimes, but not all the time. Its not that its "too smart," its that its out of control, non-stop smart.
But is every single thing you say a clever crack, or biting sarcasm, or razor-sharp wit, or a pop culture reference, sometimes all seamlessly thrown together with confidence and care-free cool? Pffffft.Well, since every single thing was like that and you pfffft'd it, there must be something wrong.
Its the same reason the wife would watch Gilmore Girls on the TV and I'd try and shoot it.This argument proves what? That there are two things that you don't like? Well played.
Clever dialogue is one thing, I appreciate good writing, but not when every sentence is so carefully structured to be the craftiest, sharpest, wittiest utterance in the world. The most clever of people say things like that sometimes, but not all the time. Its not that its "too smart," its that its out of control, non-stop smart.You could pick any movie and complain that people in real life wouldn't say such things, specious argument. Which lines were the wittiest utterances in the world again? share
Well, since every single thing was like that and you pfffft'd it, there must be something wrong.
This argument proves what? That there are two things that you don't like? Well played.
You could pick any movie and complain that people in real life wouldn't say such things, specious argument. Which lines were the wittiest utterances in the world again?
To me, that is whats wrong. EVERY single thing was like that. Just too much.To me, everything that you write is wrong. See how easy it is to make that argument? See how pointless it is?
Just my dislike for over-the-top snappy dialogue, thats all.So?
That is true, but not SO much. The wittiest lines were the whole entire script. Just reading it on its own, there are some dynamite lines she comes up with. But it just doesn't stop. Its meticulously witty, some see that as a good thing, but to me its like a good drummer, instead of doing a couple great solos in a song, does a solo the WHOLE song. Just... overused. Too much of a good thing. Far, far, far, far, far too much of a good thing.So many, yet you couldn't come up with one? share
So many, yet you couldn't come up with one?Rollo: So what's the prognosis, Fertile Myrtle? Minus or plus?
Rollo: So what's the prognosis, Fertile Myrtle? Minus or plus?You think that those are the wittiest utterances in the world? What makes them witty? Or are they the worst utterances? Do you remember exactly what you were arguing? share
Juno MacGuff: I don't know. It's not seasoned yet.
[grabs products]
Juno MacGuff: I'll take some of these. Nope... There it is. The little pink plus sign is so unholy.
[shakes pregnancy tester]
Rollo: That ain't no Etch-A-Sketch. This is one doodle that can't be un-did, Homeskillet.
Or...
Leah: Yo Yo Yiggady Yo.
Juno MacGuff: I'm at suicide risk.
Leah: Juno?
Juno MacGuff: No, it's Morgan Freeman. Do you have any bones that need collecting?
Leah: Only the one in my pants...
Juno MacGuff: I'm pregnant.
Leah: What? Honest to blog?
Juno MacGuff: Yeah. Yeah, it's Bleekers.
Leah: It's probably just a food baby. Did you have a big lunch?
Juno MacGuff: No, this is not a food baby all right? I've taken like three pregnancy tests, and I'm forshizz up the spout.
Leah: How did you even generate enough pee for three pregnancy tests? That's amazing...
Juno MacGuff: I don't know, I drank like, ten tons of Sunny D... Anyway dude, I'm telling you I'm pregnant and you're acting shockingly cavalier.
Leah: Is this for real? Like, for real for real?
Juno MacGuff: Unfortunately, yes.
Leah: Oh my GOD. Oh *beep* Phuket, Thailand!
Perhaps the worst three words ever strung together in the history of history - honest to blog.
You think that those are the wittiest utterances in the world? What makes them witty? Or are they the worst utterances? Do you remember exactly what you were arguing?
Well this movie was so outrageously popular because of its wit, correct? So obviously many, many people find this dialogue to be witty.You're the one who said that you didn't like it because everything was witty. You've dropped that complaint now? Seriously, do you even read what you write?
To me, horrible utterances. Yes, "honest to blog," the worst utterance in the world. not at all.Why are they horrible? Why should anyone care that you think they are horrible? Your "opinion" is used as arguments that are not only specious but disengenuous as well. share
You're the one who said that you didn't like it because everything was witty. You've dropped that complaint now? Seriously, do you even read what you write?Holy crap do you circle the wagons. I like the way you do this. All right, Juno was popular because it was "witty." I don't know if I feel it was witty... I certainly found it grating, but I'll call it witty for the sake of it, as that is the popular consensus. I fail to see the wit in "honest to blog," and other such lines (please don't make me come up with more, I'm soooo tired. Maybe on Monday when I'm back at work). No I don't read what I write. I close my eyes, type madly and hit enter.
Why are they horrible? Why should anyone care that you think they are horrible?MY opinion, is that they are horrible. I don't care that you feel differently, it doesn't bother me you strongly disagree and are so nobly defending the cause. I'm not saying anyone has to care. I'm just voicing my opinion because it says
Discuss Juno (2007) on the IMDb message boards »on the main page. I can't see the point in a site devoted to thousands upon thousands of movies if you are only allowed to come and sing praises. You seem good natured. I may be wrong, I don't know, but its nice to not get beat down with a superiority complex once in a while when you are the minority regarding Juno. share
Holy crap do you circle the wagons. I like the way you do this. All right, Juno was popular because it was "witty." I don't know if I feel it was witty... I certainly found it grating, but I'll call it witty for the sake of it, as that is the popular consensus. I fail to see the wit in "honest to blog," and other such lines (please don't make me come up with more, I'm soooo tired. Maybe on Monday when I'm back at work). No I don't read what I write. I close my eyes, type madly and hit enter.Really? Now you're calling it witty and not witty in the same paragraph. You don't read it, do you?
MY opinion, is that they are horrible. I don't care that you feel differently, it doesn't bother me you strongly disagree and are so nobly defending the cause. I'm not saying anyone has to care. I'm just voicing my opinion because it saysThat's odd. Where did I defend the cause or strongly disagree? Don't play the victim, it's pathetic. Who said that your only option was singing praises? Is that my only option in regards to your writing? share
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on the main page. I can't see the point in a site devoted to thousands upon thousands of movies if you are only allowed to come and sing praises. You seem good natured. I may be wrong, I don't know, but its nice to not get beat down with a superiority complex once in a while when you are the minority regarding Juno.
Really? Now you're calling it witty and not witty in the same paragraph.I guess I'll have to repeat myself. I'll call it witty for the sake of it. See? Not, I find it witty, but instead, I'll "call" it witty. Don't pretend you don't get what I'm saying and act like you don't have the ability to see what I'm getting at.
That's odd. Where did I defend the cause or strongly disagree? Don't play the victim, it's pathetic. Who said that your only option was singing praises? Is that my only option in regards to your writing?Again, you keep acting like everything has to be spelled out for you, and that you are bewildered by a pretty clear implication. Where did you defend the cause? Please... to quote the other you
I've been defending this film against the mindless haters since it came out. Vanishing-Point and I are old veterans here.Play the victim? Pathetic? Okay... I was merely pointing out that I find it very strange that you aren't allowed to dislike this movie without being insulted. Obviously I don't see that as your only option in regards to my writing, I'm just wondering why you guys can't play nice. share
I guess I'll have to repeat myself. I'll call it witty for the sake of it. See? Not, I find it witty, but instead, I'll "call" it witty. Don't pretend you don't get what I'm saying and act like you don't have the ability to see what I'm getting at.Why would you call it witty if it isn't? If I have the ability to see anything, it's that you're being purposely obtuse.
Again, you keep acting like everything has to be spelled out for you, and that you are bewildered by a pretty clear implication. Where did you defend the cause? Please... to quote the other youPointing out your poor reading/writing skills do not imply anything other than I don't like poor reading/writing. Nice attempt to cover the fact that you don't have anything though.
Play the victim? Pathetic? Okay... I was merely pointing out that I find it very strange that you aren't allowed to dislike this movie without being insulted. Obviously I don't see that as your only option in regards to my writing, I'm just wondering why you guys can't play nice.Now here is a pretty clear implication but it has to be spelled out for you. Why do others have to play nice when you don't? share
Everything I write you pretend to not understand and turn upside down. All in all, though I don't think even a quarter of your replies made any logical sense, it was still mildly entertaining. I don't think I was mean or rude, frustrated sure. You keep quoting me, but instead of acknowledging and answering what I write, you just nonsensically tell me how it doesn't make sense. Talk about going nowhere...
shareEverything I write you pretend to not understand and turn upside down.I understood everything you wrote, except how something can be witty and not witty at the same time. Sadly, I understood it better than you.
All in all, though I don't think even a quarter of your replies made any logical sense, it was still mildly entertaining.I merely asked some very simple questions, pretty much junior-high level. I'm sorry that you were confused.
Go ahead, pick out any illogical reply and show us why it doesn't make senseOkay, how about that you actually want to continue this circle of absurdity? If you actually wanted to talk back and forth I might have bit, but instead you are merely content to feign intellectual superiority, and then respond in a manner that someone with such a disease might respond. Thanks, but nay, Seinfeld is on. But keep up the noble cause, I'm sure someone appreciates it. share
Okay, how about that you actually want to continue this circle of absurdity?As opposed to you?
If you actually wanted to talk back and forth I might have bit, but instead you are merely content to feign intellectual superiority, and then respond in a manner that someone with such a disease might respond.So not backing up what you wrote? Who would have predicted that?
Thanks, but nay, Seinfeld is on. But keep up the noble cause, I'm sure someone appreciates it.Yes, your cause, making sure that we really really reaaalllly know which movies you don't like, is much more noble and appreciated. share
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shareGggooooooooooooooooonnnngggggggggIs this a typical response when one's hypocrisy is pointed out, where you come from? share
Is this a typical response when one's hypocrisy is pointed out, where you come from?I wasn't being hypocritical in the least, regardless of how you choose to read into it, it is a response to someone running around in a confused circle.
I wasn't being hypocritical in the least, regardless of how you choose to read into it, it is a response to someone running around in a confused circle.And I'm sure that everyone shares your "objective" view.
Regardless, I laid out my opinion, you decided to argue it and question it, again and again, and we got nowhere, so I think its safe to say we are done, correct?You don't speak for me. And will you please show us where I said that your opinion was wrong, other than in your own paranoia?
I will continue to feel the script was too dialogue-driven as opposed to story, you will continue to, assumingly, disagree.Again, I never disagreed with you on the script. Please get some help with your reading comprehension.
Get the last word in, but don't ask any questions, and don't say either its because I won't own up to anything, or back anything up, its simply that I grow weary of this. For the love of Christ, don't you?You don't decide what I will do.
We see things vastly differently, I think we both probably think the other is out to lunch, and no more conversing will change that, guaranteed. So no questions. Unless its to do with hockey, perogies or Seinfeld.Why are you so afraid of questions? You never seem to answer them anyway. Why is that? Are you afraid of what they might reveal? share
Argh, holy crap, wow. Just because you don't type the words "I disagree" doesn't mean we can't read what you are saying. Good God. I am not afraid of questions. I am baffled that you keep wanting to take every sentence I write and ask ten questions about it, but then not accepting any answer I give you, but instead ask ten more for each. You take words I write, twist them, and then act all smug with laughing faces like you are God's gift to English comprehension, and are somehow "trapping" me. Why do you feel the need to act like that? Prove that you are capable of a grown-up conversation. Ask me a simple question about what I originally wrote about the dialogue in Juno (if that isn't "telling you what to do") and I will answer it. I have no problem with a reasonable, simple discussion on a simple topic, but I haven't seen you capable of that in the least. You always ask twenty circular questions every time you respond. I have no problem with comprehension, or reading, but with people who talk to you (between the lines) about what a dummy you are for feeling that way, but then scoff and declare "I never said that," when they are called on it. Just because you don't say it, doesn't mean you aren't saying it.
shareArgh, holy crap, wow. Just because you don't type the words "I disagree" doesn't mean we can't read what you are saying. Good God. I am not afraid of questions. I am baffled that you keep wanting to take every sentence I write and ask ten questions about it, but then not accepting any answer I give you, but instead ask ten more for each.Because you don't give me answers. Or you give me answers like here is some witty dialogue but it's not witty.
You take words I write, twist them, and then act all smug with laughing faces like you are God's gift to English comprehension, and are somehow "trapping" me. Why do you feel the need to act like that?Trap you in what way? Asking you to support the things that you write? How horrible
Ask me a simple question about what I originally wrote about the dialogue in Juno (if that isn't "telling you what to do") and I will answer it. I have no problem with a reasonable, simple discussion on a simple topic, but I haven't seen you capable of that in the least.Actually, those are the questions that I did write. They're still there if you want to try again. I wasn't the one who got all defensive because of paranoid delusions.
You always ask twenty circular questions every time you respond. I have no problem with comprehension, or reading, but with people who talk to you (between the lines) about what a dummy you are for feeling that way, but then scoff and declare "I never said that," when they are called on it. Just because you don't say it, doesn't mean you aren't saying it.And yet you haven't supplied one instance. Are you ever going to do anything besides making broad unsubstantiated claims? share
And yet you haven't supplied one instance.You are the first genius I've ever run across who didn't believe in insinuation, whose logic needed to be prefaced with "circular," and who when attempting a discussion with, was more futile than an asbestos sandwich. Speaking of which, its lunchtime, and I believe thats what my wife packed me. This should be fun.
You are the first genius I've ever run across who didn't know how to read between the lines,who didn't believe in insinuation, who only believed in word-for-word, whose logic needed to be prefaced with "circular," and who when attempting a discussion with, was more futile than an asbestos sandwich. Speaking of which, its lunchtime, and I believe thats what my wife packed me. This should be a little more fun.Sorry we can't all be as perceptive as you. But circular logic could easily be pointed out, no need for you to tell us what I'm thinking. Really, how hard would it be to show us the lines that you're rerading between. If it's so obvious, you have no reason not to. Do you?
p.s. I am paraonid of spiders, flying, and possibly a sasquatch living on my property. But not what someone might think of me in regards to a movie. Onwards and upwards, Varnishing Point.Your posting history shows otherwise. share
Is that where our path takes us from here? Does my post history have anything to do with Juno, or my thoughts on the dialogue of Juno, and is that what a smart, intelligent person would come to? Am I supposed to read all of your posts now and pretend I'm also a psychologist to keep this useless thing going? I'm not sure whats more annoying, that you keep coming up with sad, new ways to bait me into this mess, or more likely, that I keep biting.
shareIs that where our path takes us from here? Does my post history have anything to do with Juno, or my thoughts on the dialogue of Juno, and is that what a smart, intelligent person would come to?What does phantom circular logic and my "attempts to trap you" have to do with it?
Am I supposed to read all of your posts now and pretend I'm also a psychologist to keep this useless thing going?Are you supposed to accuse me of things and not tell us exactly what you're referring to? Things that only you can see?
I'm not sure whats more annoying, that you keep coming up with sad, new ways to bait me into this mess, or more likely, that I keep biting.You love these ad hominems so much, I don't think you can stop. By the way, you might want to Google "logical fallacy." share
I know what it means, but I'm wondering why you of all people would bring it up. Or, to read between the lines,
No, I get the last word.
I give up... if I don't stop now, it never will...
I know what it means, but I'm wondering why you of all people would bring it up.I've been trying to get you to quit being such a disservice to yourself for quite awhile. You would think someone as perceptive as you would have gotten it by now.
Or, to read between the lines,I've made the same number of posts as you. Or to read between the lines,
No, I get the last word.
I give up... if I don't stop now, it never will...What? Call me names and put words in my mouth a few dozen more times, maybe people will think that you're right? share
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You're right Halifax, pretty horrific dialogue.
shareYou're right, Halifax. But I'd say Juno's more realistic than Gilmore. Because she does NOT speak seamlessly; a lot of it's silly teen-talk.
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I turn 17 in like, two days and my quips aren't as clever as Diablo Cody's script, but I do use a lot of pretty funny one liners like Juno does.
Hey kids rock and roll. That's how I lost control...
Yeah, and most real-life women didn't speak like Rosalind Russell did in
many of her '40s films; most real-life men didn't talk like James Cagney did
in his '30s movies. And nobody ever really danced as gracefully together as
Fred and Ginger (even Fred and Ginger; their "effortless" dance routines in their
films took a long, painful time to make). So what if Juno speaks somewhat more
wittily than the average teenager? Would you rather spend 2 hours listening to
the ramblings of a mouth-breathing dullard? There was a time when movies offered
witty, sparkling dialogue; JUNO is a refreshing throwback to movies like that.
I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!
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