Only did read a few posts on this Board till now.
For sure you or somebody else mentioned this green before:
green room (with the rabbits)
green sofa (young woman crying)
green dress of the creepy neighbour (she could play a modern Hänsel-and-Gretel-hag)
green patterned coffee-cups (while talking with the creepy neighbour)
green lamp in the background, light green (maybe randomly, but nothing in Lynch's movies is random)
green fruits in the bowl, with one yellow lemon between and one yellow lemon beside (when her creepy husband talks with Devon Burk...her husband looks like a sneaky hare; that was one of the clips you linked at the Vikings: "The bonds of marriage are real bonds")
green shirt (when Billy asks her to stay for dinner)
green patterned shirt (when Devon invites her for dinner...film and reality start to merge)
suddenly she wears a red shirt, complementary colour of green, first time she realizes, movie and reality gets confused.
green patterned shirt, another one, green handbag and a light green barrel (when she sees herself on the film set the day before, in the time loop...and the strange money-loaner/info-agent realized there's someone in the background)
green jacket guy behind the window, light green as the barrel (when she runs away from the film-set)
green patterned carpet (when Nikki/Sue was locked in the Motel-room, suddenly the door is open again)
green bed-cover (in the Motel-room)
Suddenly the green rabbit-room turns red (after the young ladies/prostitutes appeared and the young crying woman re-appeared), then the rabbit-room changes to green for a short and then to red again.
Later Nikki/Sue calls with a red phone the green rabbit-room.
And so on, and so on...colours are anyhow very important in this movie.
The colour green stands for hope in our culture; in USA the same?
"Grün, grün, grün sind alle meine Kleider...weil mein Schatz ein Jäger ist."
"Green, green, green are all my clothes...cause my darling is a hunter."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wNgZq9vBTc
Had to search for that "
Dorothy...." on the
Walk of Fame (short after Nikki/Sue got the screwdriver in her stomach from Doris).
Wasn't even able to read the complete name, when made a screenshot.
Is it true, it's
Dorothy Vellens, Isabella Rossellini's role-name in "Blue Velvet"?
Others said, it's
Dorothy Lamour?
An interesting woman, this Mrs. Lamour...aside other details:
"Lamour is named in the film J. Edgar (2011) as having had an early affair with J. Edgar Hoover. Books on Hoover also report that she was his great love, something she never confirmed or denied."
Back to Inland Empire:
Cute, how the black and the asian woman talk about the bus ride, while Nikki/Sue dies between them.
And what does it mean, that this movie is absolutely exactly 3:00:00 hours long (including credits)?
Well, only a few of the several things I would've to check closer for understanding this movie better.
Don't know yet, if I
want to understand this movie better or rather stay a stupid potato.
Leastwise a happy stupid potato.
And perhaps it's impossible to understand Lynch?
Perhaps you can only feel him?
Lynch plays with our conscience in his surreal way.
And
Lynch plays with our subconscious.
After watched this movie, remembered why I don't like Lynch, though he's a great film-maker:
After watching his films I feel exhausted and troubled.
Not so much fear, more a troubling inner silence, devastated.
Lynch's movies remind me to
Rainer Werner Fassbinder.
Totally different style but evoking similar feelings:
Humans and the world are bad. Lynch in his surreal way and Fassbinder in his radical realism let appear suicide a good alternative to escape these hurtful truths.
Ok, Lynch granted us a kind of happy end...kind of.
With
Laura Dern have another problem.
She's like the sphinx without a secret.
Ok, she's a good actress as Lynch is an ingenious film-maker.
She was well chosen for her role as Nikki Grace/Susan Blue.
And her eyes look often greenish (yah,
green again)...though her eyes are blue.
For what reasons ever, after a while she gets on my nerves.
Julia Ormond I always liked and she impressed me here again.
Well, Julia Ormond had a minor part and this scene with the also creepy policeman and nearly the whole time close-ups was probably easier to play than confused Nikki/Susan.
However, needed a way
back to Earth, back to reality and my belief in good people.
Cause I know good people do exist.
Good songs are always helpful.
Won't listen to "Loco-Motion" for a longer time.
Jethro Tull – Jack in the Greenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZTJH1qZm_Y Jethro Tull – Songs from the Woodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAkSIwaUaNc 🌲🌿🌳🍀🌱
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nikkiweir
9 years ago
Late night here, so sketchy. Many associations to green in U.S., don't know of a main one ---anyone? Some that come to mind:
* Money, sometimes called "mean green."
* The winner of the annual Masters golf tournament gets a green jacket much like the one the man in the movie is wearing.
* Grass --lawns, the prairie. Also gardens.
* Nowadays, the environment of earth and environmental awareness.
* Prominent in the color palettes used by some painters (Remembering that Mr. Lynch is a painter can lead to interesting things), such as Edward Hopper in these among others of his works:
--Hotel Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Lobby#Publications
--Office at Night https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_at_Night#Notes_on_the_painting_from_Hopper.E2.80.99s_journal
--Nighthawks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks
Maybe it's a message from David to David to get on with some painting --XON the right axons.
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"My brother thinks himself a good ecologist.
He works for the forestry commission and writes in green ink
to remind his bosses of their green responsibilities.
I asked him what colour he would use if he worked for
a whaling company. He said whales were colour-blind."
--Master calligrapher, The Pillow Book (1995)
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nikkiweir
9 years ago
... and after sleep and some other stuff ...
There's an album by Brian Eno called Another Green World. Late in the movie when our heroine travels through the green labyrinth, I always think of that title.
Title song, which is short:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36B225lLvY4
The full album and a playlist are also around the same place.
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"The bonsai: the ultimate miniature."
--Will Hayward, Twin Peaks
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TaraDeS
8 years ago
nikkiweir Thu Aug 18 2016 01:20:34
Late night here, so sketchy. Many associations to green in U.S., don't know of a main one ---anyone? Some that come to mind:
* Money, sometimes called "mean green."
* The winner of the annual Masters golf tournament gets a green jacket much like the one the man in the movie is wearing.
* Grass --lawns, the prairie. Also gardens.
* Nowadays, the environment of earth and environmental awareness.
* Prominent in the color palettes used by some painters (Remembering that Mr. Lynch is a painter can lead to interesting things), such as Edward Hopper in these among others of his works:
--Hotel Lobby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Lobby#Publications
--Office at Night https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_at_Night#Notes_on_the_painting_from_Hopper.E2.80.99s_journal
--Nighthawks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks
Maybe it's a message from David to David to get on with some painting --XON the right axons.
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"My brother thinks himself a good ecologist.
He works for the forestry commission and writes in green ink
to remind his bosses of their green responsibilities.
I asked him what colour he would use if he worked for
a whaling company. He said whales were colour-blind."
--Master calligrapher, The Pillow Book (1995)
nikkiweir Thu Aug 18 2016 12:12:24
... and after sleep and some other stuff ...
There's an album by Brian Eno called Another Green World. Late in the movie when our heroine travels through the green labyrinth, I always think of that title.
Title song, which is short:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36B225lLvY4
The full album and a playlist are also around the same place.
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"The bonsai: the ultimate miniature."
--Will Hayward, Twin Peaks
Sorry for the late answer...needed some time to check your links.
And listened the recent days to Brian Eno.
Very nice...thank you!!!
It's true:
I'm a painter in sound. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006061/ (personal quote Brian Eno)
...were labelled as 'Video Paintings.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Eno#Video_workAbout the green 🌱 still didn't make up my mind.
I like your idea that
"it's a message from David to David to get on with some painting --XON the right axons." To be continued...
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xxpo
8 years ago
Maybe it's a message from David to David to get on with some painting --XON the right axons.
The problem with this idea is how in an interview when he's asked if AXXON N was a reference to the AXONS in the brain he said NO.
And the FIRST THING we hear in IE is THE NARRATOR on the AXXON N RECORD telling us it's a story taking place in the BALTIC REGION on a COLD WINTER DAY at the OLD HOTEL,
and about how
AXXON N
is the NAME of the PLAY,
which is also
the LONGEST RUNNING PLAY in RADIO HISTORY.
So apparently AXXON N is also the NAME of the PLAY and isn't a reference to the part of the brain where connections are made???
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TaraDeS
8 years ago
xxpo (Sat Sep 3 2016 21:58:08)
Post Edited: Sat Sep 3 2016 21:59:50
Maybe it's a message from David to David to get on with some painting --XON the right axons.
The problem with this idea is how in an interview when he's asked if AXXON N was a reference to the AXONS in the brain he said NO.
And the FIRST THING we hear in IE is THE NARRATOR on the AXXON N RECORD telling us it's a story taking place in the BALTIC REGION on a COLD WINTER DAY at the OLD HOTEL,
and about how
AXXON N
is the NAME of the PLAY,
which is also the LONGEST RUNNING PLAY in RADIO HISTORY.
So apparently AXXON N is also the NAME of the PLAY and isn't a reference to the part of the brain where connections are made???
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Ok...every now and then have the impression to hear Lynch's laughter.
About how we see things he never meant, and things he meant we don't see.
Like the funny guy who wrote "Wer Axxon wirklich war" (Who Axxon really was).
The author Thomas Mielke said in an interview:
Da schrieb der Lektor in seiner Beurteilung: Ein toller Roman, spannend bis zur letzten Zeile. Nur ein einziger kleiner Kritikpunkt: Man hätte zum Schluss doch ganz gern gewusst, wer denn nun Axxon wirklich war (Anmerkung: Ich weiß es auch nicht, aber der Roman erschien bei Zauberkreis).
http://deutsche-science-fiction.de/?p=3100
The editor wrote in his assessment: A great novel, thrilling to the last line. Only one minor complaint : One would like to know at the end, who Axxon really was (Note: I do not know either, but the novel was published in the Magic Circle).
That's a fine name for a publisher!
Alas, it doesn't exist anymore:
(sorry, no english Wiki entry)
Zauberkreis Verlag - Magic Circle Publisher
Der Zauberkreis Verlag mit Sitz in Rastatt wurde 1946 gegründet. Er veröffentlichte seit Beginn der 1950er Jahre Heftromane und später auch Taschenbücher und Comics. 1985 wurde der Zauberkreis Verlag an den Erich Pabel Verlag verkauft. Die damals noch laufenden Serien wurden jedoch eingestellt, als der Chefredakteur des Pabel-Zauberkreis-Verlags (Müller-Reymann) im Mai 1986 mit dem Auto tödlich verunglückte. Der Verlag, der seit 1985 nur noch eine Sparte des Pabel-Verlags war, existiert seit 1987 nicht mehr.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zauberkreis_Verlag
The Magic Circle Publisher with offices in Rastatt was established in 1946. Since the early 1950s it published dime novels and later paperbacks and comics. In 1985 Magic Circle was sold to Erich Pabel Publisher. The then current series have been abandoned, when the editor of Pabel - Magic Circle (Müller-Reymann) was killed in May 1986 by a car accident. The publishing house, which was only a division of Pabel publishing house since 1985, no longer exists since 1987.
Why do I feel often so creepy, reading about and around Lynch?
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xxpo
8 years ago
Thanks for posting in both languages. Keep reading the GERMAN before the ENGLISH translation in hopes of being able to figure out some of what's been said, but don't have much luck.... yet.
And if you think what you've found is CREEPY, just finished reading parts of CAMUS THE MYTH of SISYPHUS, and found lots of other stuff that will creep you out, because it's also as if LYNCH had channeled CAMUS when he made IE.
First of all NOTE the way the name of the COMPANY on the IE DVD is called:
ABSURDIA (with one of the letters facing backwards).
And Camus also deals with living an ABSURD life in his work. And he also talks about the idea of how
ACTIONS have CONSEQUENCES
which is also the same thing that THE NEW NEIGHBOR tells DERN, and the same thing that LUCAS tells her CO STAR (THE BIG BAD WOLF character in the film).
http://www.dhspriory.org/kenny/PhilTexts/Camus/Myth%20of%20Sisyphus-.pdf
All systems of morality are based on the idea that an action has
consequences that legitimize or cancel it
( So this is also the SAME WARNING that the LITTLE GIRL and BOY are given when they go out to PLAY their ROLES)
A mind imbued with the
absurd merely judges that those consequences must be considered
calmly.
It is ready to pay up.
(And the NEW NEIGHBOR also mentions an UNPAID DEBT )???
In other words, there may be
responsible persons, but there are no guilty ones,
The absurd
mind cannot so much expect ethical rules at the end of its
reasoning as, rather, illustrations and the breath of human lives.
A subclerk
in the post office is the equal of a conqueror if consciousness
is common to them
In the absurd
world the value of a notion or of a life is measured by its sterility.
Don Juanism
If it were sufficient to love, things would be too easy. The more
one loves, the stronger the absurd grows.
by Don Juan’s speeches and by that
same remark that he uses on all women.
Don Juan can be properly
understood only by constant reference to what he commonly
symbolizes:
the ordinary seducer and the sexual athlete
Seducing is his condition in life
Loving and possessing, conquering and consuming—that
is his way of knowing.
(There is significance in that favorite
Scriptural word that calls the carnal act “knowing
(A REFERENCE to the BIG BAD WOLF character in this TALE ...
who also uses the SAME PICK UP line on all the women he seduces ...
when he tells them he's NEVER KNOWN anyone like them before ...
and theN the women who've been SEDUCED by him imitate what he's said to them when they say:
LOOK at me and tell me if you've ever KNOWN me before.
ghosts of past loves,
(LYNCH also has GHOSTS of LOVE in IE and sings about how STRANGE LOVE IS)
AND then begins the chapter on DRAMA:
Drama“The play’s the thing,” says Hamlet, “wherein I’ll catch the
conscience of the king.”
In those three hours he
travels the whole course of the dead-end path that the man in the
audience takes a lifetime to cover.
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the actor creates his characters for display. He outlines or
sculptures them and slips into their imaginary form, transfusing his
blood into their phantoms
(And we also have THE PHANTOM character in IE that has his FACE turn into the FACE of Dern after she SHOOTS him)
physical passions lead the dance. They explain
everything.
(DO the LOCOMOTION ... YOU GOTTA SWING your HIPS now)
Souls are given over to the demons
the actor
contradicts himself:
the same and yet so various,
so many souls
summed up in a single body
And there's also this:
he
identifies himself with those irreplaceable lives. It often happens
that he carries them with him, that they somewhat overflow the
time and place in which they were born. They accompany the
actor, who cannot very readily separate himself
They accompany the
actor, who cannot very readily separate himself from what he has
been. Occasionally when reaching for his glass he resumes
Hamlet’s gesture of raising his cup. No, the distance separating
him from the creatures into whom he infuses life is not so great
In other words,
they become
STUCK in CHARACTER, like NIKI does when she plays the part of SUE BLUE,
to the point where they really think they are the CHARACTER that they portray.
And we also see this happening after the END of DERN'S DEATH SCENE where her DIRECTOR calls her NIKI 3 TIMES, but she fails to recognize or ANSWER him and takes the BLUE ROBE instead of the WHITE ROBE.
But after she ENTERS the OTHER ROOM (THE PROJECTION ROOM), where she watches herself ON SCREEN, until she GETS BACK in SYNC AGAIN, and the SCREEN MONITORS precisely what she's doing, then she also LEAVES the BLUE ROBE of SUE BLUE behind her sitting on the CHAIR and she follows MR. K up the STAIR CASE.
THUS she's probably also BACK OUT of character again???
And no longer lifts up the cup the way HAMLET DOES (so to speak)???
And then she also
SHOOTS and KILLS THE PHANTOM CHARACTER that she's TRANSFUSED her BLOOD into???
SPOOKY isn't it how much CAMUS and LYNCH seem to have in common here???
Even found passages that pertain to the name of someone like ROLLO which:
in ten thousand years will be
dust and his name forgotten
Will definitely also need to quote this passage the next time MOR goes on her tirade about how he's responsible for the birth of all of these other ROYALS.
She seems to think ROLLO has also TRANSFUSED his BLOOD into them, but there's just too little of it left in their veins now for them to have any kind of a significant genetic connection to him.
Conquest
nothing of the
conqueror lasts, not even his doctrines
.
And neither will his name last either.
Because it will be DUST and forgotten within the 10,000 year TIME FRAME
(a TIME FRAME that we still also don't have whenever we try to trace back our own history to it's origins).
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xxpo
9 years ago
In an interview LYNCH said DERN had played 4 different characters in this film.
And when she's suppose to be playing the part of SUE BLUE, she mostly wears the GREEN TOP.
But there's also the DERN in BLUE
(probably the one who KILLS KIDDO ... her sister's BOY TOY ... who FREE LOADS off of her sister ...
(the way ROLLO is doing the FRANK KING in VIKINGS).
Anyhow, the KIDDO STORY is my favorite story that she tells to MR. K (the man who wears the EYE GLASSES and tells her HE LIKES PANCAKES after she tells him the other story about how the hand of her mother was RIPPED OFF by the MACHINE that makes the little CORN COB holders which also SMASHED IT FLATTER than a PANCAKE).
Here's the KIDDO STORY for you:
My sister has a shelf in her refrigerator with my name taped to it. The shelf where I keep my food. I got milk. And cheese and I got some miracle whip. Over on the counter is where I keep my bread. I sleep in the back room. In summer it’s a screened-in porch. They got walls that you use by turning these clips. I stacked the walls in the garage. One time I turned part of 'em clips to take out part of a wall. I've seen about a million black widows. Crawling fast and laying their eggs.
I got a lamp. Keep it by my bed. My sister's bed. The lamp is mine. That same damn lamp that's always been with me. It’s my sister’s bed, but my lamp. I don’t go anywhere without that lamp. It was a lamp from my family. On my momma’s side. She was the one that changed it to the red shade it’s got now. There was a floral pattern one before. I've seen a picture of it when it had the floral pattern shade. Picture was black and white, so I couldn’t see the actual color of it.
The picture was really weird. It had a man’s hairy arm, on the edge of the picture, sort of coming in from the side. I asked my momma if that was my daddy’s arm in the picture. She said "No dear, that ain’t your daddy there". I said "Who is it then?" She said "It’s none of your business". Why wouldn't she just tell me it wasn't my daddy. I would have forgotten all about it. This way I keep wondering who the *beep* was hanging around our house. It could have been anybody. Sort of makes you wonder, ain’t it?
My mother, she’s another one. She couldn’t sleep at night. She’d be up drinking and reading magazines, sometimes all night. She’d have to work the next day. She got real *beep* up taking pills, so she wouldn’t fall asleep at work. One time she was working her machine. They made those little things that you jam into each end of an ear of corn, corn cob holders. You know, they were made so you wouldn’t burn your hands on corn on the cob.
So, they got these machines that squirt out this plastic and then the top comes down with a hell of a pounding *beep* force. You gotta get these nails in first and get your hand away. 'Cause that top comes down like a *beep* pile driver. She was half asleep on the job. Forgot to pull her hand away quick enough. The machine snipped it right off, her whole *beep* hand. There weren’t a lot of blood at first, 'cause it sealed the stump like it was glued. Then all of sudden it burst open, blood shooting halfway across the room. Women were screaming and running.
My momma almost died that day. They forgot to call first, the ambulance. Women were busy running around screaming and my momma was laying in a pool of her own blood, hand caught in a corn cob mold, flatter than a pancake.
MR. K says:[I like pancakes]
( as we see DERN looking at MR. K as if he's crazy ... and we also see her GRIP the SCREW DRIVER in her hand even tighter ... as if she's about to STAB him with it for saying this). But as fast as the ATTACK LOOK on her face appears, it also QUICKLY disappears again, and she goes back to telling her stories again ...
Latest I’ve been thinking about that shelf in my sister’s refrigerator that she’s got my name on... Tagged. See, it’s at the bottom of the *beep* refrigerator. There’s this moist mold down there and it’s a small shelf. My sister and her husband, that’s kiddo, that’s what she calls him. He’s husband number three. He don't do *beep* He sits around reading his newspaper in the morning, eating lunch around two o’clock every afternoon, and watching TV to the wee hours. He starts drinking.
When she gets home, she’s the one that works. She’s a waitress at a diner. She’s been working there for years, serving breakfast and lunch. She’s got to be there until four when the dinner crew comes on. She rides a bus. She shops at the grocery usually and then walks home. She’s the one that holds that place together. She’s been drinking more and more at night as years goes on. She’ll tap a fifth of roses and they’ll drain that puppy before the seven o’clock news. Mix it with water. They both do. I guess it’s nice they like drinking together. Draws them closer, you know. She strips down to a robe and slippers and sits down next to kiddo on the couch.
I got to fix my own food. She’ll do for kiddo, but not for no one else. I guess when her day of waitressing is done, she doesn’t want to do nothing for no one. That *beep* kiddo don’t lift a finger, not even a little puffy pinky. He just sits and grows closer to the vegetable kingdom. I hear him laugh at the dumbest *beep* I ever heard watching that *beep* night after night. It was *beep* face kiddo’s idea that I have my own shelf so not to confuse their stuff with my stuff. Only thing I confuse is kiddo and a pile of *beep* Both seem about the same to me. My sister wouldn’t give a *beep* if I ate a cracker of hers. Kiddo’s got a hard on though about not running out of all of his favorite stuff. The *beep* wants his stuff. He’s always checking their shelves and my little *beep* shelf, making sure all of his favorite stuff is still there.
I like ice cream along ten thirty, eleven o’clock. It’s good enough to share. They’re so far in the bag they can’t say ice cream let alone need it. The thing is, eat it or not, the ice cream lasts one night, because that little area, my shelf, makes it runny after about six hours. I have to get my ice cream as late in the day as possible.
Kiddo came in my room one morning, trying to crawl into bed with me, but he made sure first that he had bunch of breakfast first. He comes in all smiley and sits on the end of my *beep* bed. Starts rubbing my foot. Says "I bet you're all soft and warm down there in that little bed. Maybe a little lonely, though. Want some company in that little bed of yours?" I say "Kiddo, I say this once and once is all I’ll say it. If you ever think about what you’re thinking about, ever again even think it, I’ll cut your cock off and before I leave, I’ll set it on my little *beep* shelf in the refrigerator with a tell all note to my sister. Coz you’ll be dead by then. I’ll cut off your cock and your sick *beep* head right at the stringy neck".
You gotta understand... I was 41 years old in 1960. I’m freaked out about it 'cause I lost a bunch of years. I figure I might be older, but that is as near as I can figure. Some say I’m too tall.
So because of the way he TORMENTS her, one is also HAPPY to hear about how his HEAD and his other body part ends up sitting on that SHELF in the FRIDGE along with the NOTE for her sister.
And that may also mean that's NOT DORIS who STABS her in the GUT with the SCREW DRIVER, but the SISTER who finds the NOTE on the SHELF in the FRIDGE???
Whatever the case may be, we also see the other DERN in BLUE sitting in the RAIN who may also be the one who KILLS KIDDO.
So we've got the GREEN DERN (who plays the part of SUE BLUE) ...
and we've got the RED DERN (who says DAMN that sounds like DIALOGUE from our SCRIPT while shooting a scene for the film) ...
and we've got the DERN in MAROON who gets STABBED in the GUT by the actress who plays the part of BILLY'S WIFE (who may also be her SISTER who's married to KIDDO)???
There's also another scene in POLAND where we see the 2 GIRLS (LANI and LORI) looking into the CAMERA and asking:
WHO IS SHE???
And the WOMAN in WHITE also has her back to us and it looks like it might be BILLY'S WIFE DORIS (who is also married to LUCAS and tells him she can't have kids and will never let him have her).
Then we also see KAROLINA (the LOST GIRL) climb some stairs with a SCREW DRIVER in her hand, and we hear a SCREAM, and later we also see the DEAD BODY of what looks like BILLY'S wife DORIS.
But we also see her speaking to a DETECTIVE and telling him she's going to kill someone with a SCREW DRIVER, before she pulls up her shirt and shows him the SCREW DRIVER that she has sticking out of her GUT.
But there's also NO BLOOD like we see when DERN gets stabbed.
So perhaps that's also a MOVIE PROP and what we have is a confused ACTRESS who's come under the CURSE of the FILM???
You may also not be aware of how THE 3 HOURS also has an additional 90 more min of film which is called:
MORE THINGS THAN HAPPENED.
But you can also only get that additional 90 min on the REGION ONE DVD which is sold in the US.
Anyhow, there's also another really good scene where KAROLINA buys a WATCH from THE PHANTOM who also has 9 other watches pinned to the inside of his COAT.
So it also looks like he KILLS LUCAS for his watch after he's asked what time it is and he tells someone it's 9:45.
And you also see a PAINTING of a NAKED PREGNANT GIRL standing on A ROCK ...
who reaches up to an ANGEL ... as the CLAW of a DEVIL reaches up to GRAB her already CLAWED FOOT.
14 MIN CLIP HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86GXs15hOug
So one also gets the impression that this PHANTOM might be SATAN HIMSELF???
Because SATAN also STEALS TIME away from EVE (her IMMORTALITY when he talks her into EATING from that FORBIDDEN TREE) which also seems to be represented by his SELLING this girl the WATCH???
Also NOTE the way that you see an OLD WOMAN after he grabs hold of her hand.
So one also gets the impression that some kind of GARDEN of EDEN stuff is going on here???
Because the PRICE that EVE PAYS for wanting to be LIKE GOD (the creator who makes other beings in his own image), is the cost of her life, when she also has the ability to CREATE other BEINGS in her image after EATING from the TREE of KNOWLEDGE???
And EATING from the TREE is also what enables her to PRODUCE other beings (like the RABBITS do who also produce other creatures in their own image).
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