For all the years I've used this site, I've always thought IMDB ratings were a pretty good pinpointer of deeming whether a movie was worth a watch. Anything above 7 has always been pretty good.
But with this movie.. I'm wondering if the movie was a cold parody of the ignorant's man world view of violence.
Or if the majority here are really making some sort of big practical joke, pretending to praise this movie.
I know it's silly of me to come here and say these things. I'm well aware that I probably get nothing constructive out of saying this, but it's been a long time since I've been so surprised, so I felt like sharing it.
If you read this far, and you seriously like this movie.. then tell me, what did you enjoy about this movie? I know I'm probably in for a troll roll, but I'd gladly give it a try.
I watched an interview with the writer, and he explains it as if a lot of the script was rewritten during shooting. And specifically mentions places where Washington suggests leaving things out, like character background, because he (Washington) thought he could show it without words.
Thanks a lot for your thoughts. This is the kind of commenting I was looking for, and I also like your lively language. The way you describe the movie is also roughly how I felt it was supposed to be seen. Although I had difficulty experiencing it that way. These are my thoughts:
You mention his intelligence and contrast it with things like Iron Man. I get the thought, but I personally felt it was impossible to see him as an intelligent person. To be able to do something as extreme as he did, you'd have to have very supernatural abilities (e.g. slowing time, seeing approximate visions of the near future etc.), but as you say, the movie clearly portrayed him as a humble and real human, yet so intelligent that he could outsmart everyone and overcome all odds. This really bothered me and made it hard for me to immerse in the movie in the end.
I found it especially difficult because I stumbled over so many logical goofs that didn't make him seem that intelligent in the end. It made it feel like lots of fortunate coincidences were included behind the scenes, which rendered his superiority mediocre. And since the movie was basically about his superiority, I found it more likely that he was supernatural, yet I didn't catch the director give any indication of that at any point. What are your thoughts on that?
You also talk about how he's a mysterious figure and how that adds to the appeal. As you probably have guessed, I didn't appeal very much to it. In the end I felt like it was likely that they just left out most of his character background, much personality etc. because it easier to shoot and write. I especially found the vague relationship between Washington and Moretz particularly obscure in this confusing reality. So many things about it made it seem unreal, yet posing partly as realistic.
Although I agree that the personality traits shown were decent at humanizing him in the beginning, it still felt to me like it was nearly all cancelled out over time by the absurdity of his character in play with the other characters. I lost touch with him and the other characters. It seemed more and more like a crowd of one-purpose robots, all following the principle of "gotta be who you are in this world" (but still posing as reality).
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say his justice is surgical, but I felt like it was supposed to look like there wasn't a flicker of doubt whether Washington was in the wrong. He was undoubtedly doing the work of God, or at least aligned with some monotonic and absolute morale. Having studied some criminology, human behavioral biology and neuroscience, this was hard for me to digest - and would have been a lot easier for me, if they had made it more clear that it was supposed to portray a supernatural world.
I think the main reason that I had difficulty liking this movie, in contrast to the many other action flicks, was primarily because it seemed to take itself so seriously, as if it was showing you "the harsh reality" or something like that. I've found that action flicks don't usually preach nonsense like that - unless perhaps it's a hollywoodification of some real story.
In the end, I still find it plausible that The Equalizer may just have hit me the wrong way. If I saw it again, I'll probably judge it higher than the harsh 3/10 I've currently given it. I rarely rate movies that low and now feel unsure whether it really deserves it. I don't think I'll ever rate this 7/10 or higher though.
I don't know where you're going with this. It sounds like it's something along the lines of "you have your opinion, others have theirs - just leave it at that". But that's not what I was looking for. I'm just trying to understand how so many people could like this movie. Minorities can have all kinds of niche tastes - but tens of thousands of IMDb users agreeing - that's a crowd.
I'm trying to find the common perspective / life view / experience you need to have, in order to be able to enjoy this type of movie. My brother enjoyed it, but he's just one guy, and he's so controversial that I'd say he belongs to a minority.
Agreed. This movie is crap! I never comment on this site but I was so irritated at wasting over 2 hours of my life on this movie that I felt compelled to come here and vent.
Absolute waste of time and an insult to one's intelligence. I felt like I was watching an old man who isn't sure if he wants to be MacGyver or Jason Bourne.
I completely agree with OP. I found it hard to like anything about it, and here are some of the reasons.
- The first and second acts of the movie might as well have been separate movies, not much connection there. The one story anyone is supposed to care anything about (the girl) isn't really dealt with after the initial setup. - Denzels background is never explored, could have made things more interesting (nor is what really happened to his wife). - Denzel is a one-man army just wiping out the entire russian mob in the city, no problem! So far from believable it's not even mildly entertaining. - The ending is so corny "Whenever the world is unfair and you need help, this apparent vigilante will be there to help you". Seriously? - Some 20+ people are killed during the course of the movie, and even with them being russian mobsters, you mean to tell me the police takes no interest whatsoever? Denzel isn't exactly being subtle and he is leaving fingerprints and DNA all over the place. There's only so much a cover identity can do for you.
I thought Taken was over the top, but this movie is Steven Segal material. Completely bonkers and ridiculous.
I am dumbfounded this ever got a 7+ rating, let alone a 5+. Must be Denzels star power, but honestly I think he just needed a pay check on this one.
The only people I can imagine liking this are teenagers for the badass'ery (I probably would have liked it back then just for that) or probably people who see very few movies in the first place.
Yeah, I think there's two big contributors to this movie's rating: Denzel (and/or Antoine) fandom and the fact that it's an ex-TV-show. I neither understand the appeal of a major disconnection with the movie's own reality, mixed with an undeveloped character personality and backstory.
There most be something more than those things that appeals to so many. I just don't get it.
Maybe it's just that it roughly resembles a singleplayer-campaign shooter game, with poor story development? I think those may have increased in popularity in the last few years. I feel like I'm speculating in the dark. I really have no clue.
A perfectly legitimate question... I occasionally enjoy a good action yarn like this. Pure escapist entertainment,even if it is a bit on the violent side.
If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to know how you watch the film. Do you try to connect with the characters? Do you try to make sense of the story? Do you try to guess what's going to happen next? Do you wonder/worry for characters? Do you let go of thinking and go with whatever emotions emerge? Things like that.
So many people really liked this movie because it addresses the sheer helplessness one feels now-a-days. Rampant police corruption is real and to be feared.. Pimps and prostitutes operate out of the suburban house right next door... and what do most of us do when confronted with true and real evil right under our noses? We tuck tail and look the other way, choosing to protect ourselves and our families by not 'getting involved.' Or, we 'do the right thing' and report the crimes only to find the complaints go nowhere...into an endless void of apathy.
I have also this to say: anyone who has a problem with the "preachy morality" of a film taking human trafficking to the woodshed needs to take a 2nd look at his own.
Thanks a lot for your reply. You are right, this is also something I am interested in hearing.
I think it's hard to predict exactly how the sum of all people feel. It's a big world and all these billions of people (in IMDb's case, tens of thousands) live in very different (sub)cultures, get information from all kinds of increasingly selective sources, and a bunch of other differentiating factors.
But judging from much mainstream media, and several statistics, it seems many currently resonate with despair, for many different reasons. So you might be right about that.
Maybe I was just surprised of the notion that the majority may still resonate with the reward/punishment paradigm and believe in irredeemability or violence as a solution to problems.
Regardless, I don't think I usually take movies too seriously, but I still thought this movie was pretty tough to digest. So many things that made little sense and characters that were very unrelatable.
I must admit (as you probably guessed, judging from your use of the word 'fishing') I had already speculated that one might had to have accumulated a great deficit of justice to enjoy this movie. I know my brother has such a deficit, and isn't very interested in criminology (in fact, he is on the verge of misanthropy) - and he liked this movie. (Yay, 1 tiny data sample to support my hypothesis!). I also feel some lack of justice, but I am convinced I view things very differently because of my education and interest in the nature of human behavior. You are right that this is one of the things I wanted to explore by asking this question.
I hold a strong belief that a wide interest in human behavioral biology would make the world a much better place, but as you mention, I don't want to preach my views (I don't want to "do unto others what [I] don't want others to do unto [me]"). Maybe I end up doing it anyway without realizing it. I'll let you be the judge of that.
But as I mentioned, I also wanted to know what (and how) people enjoyed about this movie in general. I am kinda addicted to listening to people's different perspectives, and finding "new shoes to put myself into". I think it's because I believe that listening and understanding are key to finding solutions that works for everyone (and I'm a computer scientist, so it is also important knowledge when it comes to usability or even in the search for problems that can be solved by software).
And in the end, I didn't think this much about it. And neither wanted to fish for an answer. I just jumped into asking and wanted to see what I could get out of it. So far it has been more interesting than I thought it would be. I hope other people got/will get something out of it as well.
I agree 100%. I find it interesting how people defend the voting system and say that you shouldn't share your opinion rather than responding to your aptly put question with a real answer.
A better question... What was wrong with this movie? It was intended as an action packed suspenseful thriller, and it most definitely delivers in all of these categories. The acting was superb, especially from Denzel (no surprises there...) and the antagonist, Teddy, was also exceptional. The one thing that slightly frustrated me was that Chloe Moretz seemed cast as the prostitute character simply to draw in viewers - could have been played much better with better casting in that regard. I also found the whole gassing a guy in the car a little bit ridiculous, surely you could smash the windows with your hands/feet.
Despite this one plot hole I picked up on (which might not even be a plot hole... Whose actually tried to smash a window with their hands? Maybe the plot hole is the dude didn't actually try..) I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. In fact, I enjoyed it much more than the majority of movies I've seen lately. It was definitely a feel good film... I expected Denzel's character to die at the end, and I absolutely hate those endings in films (a desperate grasp by directors to make their films critically acclaimed in my opinion).
The reason you didn't like this film is because you lack the ability to suspend disbelief (Suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgement concerning the implausibility of the narrative. Suspension of disbelief often applies to fictional works of the action, comedy, fantasy, and horror genres. Cognitive estrangement in fiction involves using a person's ignorance or lack of knowledge to promote suspension of disbelief.) People who like these types of films (myself) are very good at this (doesn't make us dumb, we just choose to enjoy films rather than question everything that happens in a FILM, get over it). You might say his fighting ability etc was impossible, but that fact is.. it wasn't. It might be highly unlikely, but by no means is it impossible, and that's why I choose not to spend the whole movie thinking about it.
And what's this cliched *beep* My definition might be slightly off on this one and *beep* if I'm going to look it up, but just because other movies have done similar things, this one cannot? Within an entirely different storyline? Which millions of people enjoy?
When you learn to suspend disbelief, you will enjoy movies like this. All these *beep* critics in the world these days piss me off. Aww it's a bit unrealistic so it's automatically *beep* Think of an action film like you'd think of the Wizard of Oz (It's not meant to be realistic (necessarily) It's meant to take you away from your dumb ass critical thinking and *beep* ass life. Critical thinking isn't for watching films unless your a critic or lack the ability to enjoy the simpler things in life. End scene.
I thought their acting was decent as well. I wouldn't go as far as 'superb', since I had trouble immersing myself in the characters. Several times I felt like it was just an actor, rather than a person, which is of course what they're supposed to pretend to be.
I'm not sure the problem with Chloe Moretz was (only) casting. I found she had very little to work with in that role. The character seemed almost unimportant. It would be better if she was better at showing a believable personality (body language, phrasing etc.), but I still think the writing could've been better, to make McCall's connection to Alina more believable.
As for the goof of the car, I'm not sure if you can smash a window. But unless the car was modified, he could just hit the brake, change gear (he only had one hand tied) etc., depending on the car. I suppose you could write it off as if he was panicking and just didn't know. But he was hardly moving (besides his coughing), and it's his own car, and he's a cop, so it would surprise me if he didn't know very well how to operate his own car, or how to keep focus in threatening situations for that matter. Honestly though, I felt he was just portrayed entirely as a cop who was tempted to be corrupt, but was a good cop on the inside (given that he showed fear and didn't behave like a zombie, or what is called a 'psychopath' in Hollywood-terminology). I found that he was just a tool to show that McCall really was a just man, giving all bad guys a 'fair chance' before he continued his divine purpose of killing anyone who didn't agree with his terms.
It interests me that you thought McCall might die in the end. I didn't feel any room for plot twists through the entire movie. I felt that McCall was almost a demigod, with no flaws and with a moral compass that the writers needed to preach very badly:
"The old man's gotta be the old man. Fish gotta be the fish. Gotta be who you are in this world, right?" No matter what."
"You're supposed to stand for something, punk. Protect and serve. Uphold the law. Justice".
As for most of the second half your reply, I don't know how to respond. It seems to me that you are trying to defend yourself and your own intelligence, so I must apologize - I must have said something to provoke that. I assure you that I'm not here in hope to make anyone feel inferior. I don't believe anything constructive comes from personal attacks.
I am although interested in the last bit of your reply. It seems to me that you are somewhat getting to the core of what you like about this movie, although masked as rhetorical questions and critique of critics. I must admit I have difficulty telling exactly what you are trying to say about the movie - besides that you enjoyed it. And I am glad that you did by the way. I am not trying to take that away from you. But if you feel comfortable about it, I'd like to hear you describe it without the insults.
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Yeah I guess I got a bit unfair towards the second half of what I was saying. My issue isn't with you, it's just you come across as an intelligent guy, so I found it odd you would assume this could possibly be a joke... Asking if it was a joke came across slightly passive-aggressive to me, almost an attempt to question the intellect of people who would enjoy this film. My issue is that so many people reviewing movies these days seem to question things that IMO, shouldn't matter - and that goes towards people's varying abilities to suspend disbelief in my honest opinion.
I guess I just feel that the movie truly delivered in what it was suppose to be. I can't describe exactly why I liked it, and I think that to be a rather unfair question to ask. It's just something I saw and thoroughly enjoyed. It was good. I like drinking Coke because it tastes good (to me), I don't exactly know why.. it just.. "is".
As for why I thought he'd die, I guess a lot of the movies I've seen lately have the protagonist dying at the end, for no other reason than to turn a good movie into a movie everyone says "wrecked it with the ending". Okay, a lot of people actually seem to like that ending where the protagonist dies, not sure why. But I certainly don't. Gone Girl, don't know if you've seen it but the ending thoroughly disappointed me as (low level spoiler) someone didn't go to jail... (or die) either would have been nice.
Out of 20 movies I thoroughly enjoy the first two thirds of, probably 10-15 wreck it in the ending for me.
I understand. As I mentioned, it's never fun to be called inferior, even just when implied. The reason I asked if it was a joke, was perhaps not in a literal sense. It was an emotional outburst, to express how surprised I was. The way I thought about it was that there was a part of me that saw a small possibility of this actually being a joke. And I've never felt that for a movie this well-received. I knew that the possibility was still very slim though. The rest of my articulation was just my first thoughts of how to make the post humble, because I found it very plausible that I'd receive a lot of hatred for disagreeing with the majority.
It's okay that you feel it is an unfair question. Thank you for telling me.
As for Gone Girl, I liked it. It was a terrifying ending. I can certainly understand why you wouldn't like that movie, if you liked this. Gone Girl was kinda the opposite. It ended with despair and injustice.
Sorry if this is weird to you, but I don't recall having ever met someone who have expressed that it's very important to them whether the protagonist dies. New viewpoints interests me very much. So if you don't find it unfair, I'd like to hear why you think the fate of the protagonist is so important to you.
I can start by telling how I feel. For Gone Girl, I liked that it was slightly unpredictable for me. I enjoy movies that challenge my thinking. A perhaps better example of this is Shutter Island or Fight Club. And in the ending of Gone Girl, I felt a desire for resolution, but didn't get it. This triggered my emotional defense and got me thinking about the movie, and about what the writers may have thought when they made it. And about what I would do in such a situation, even if it was just fiction. As for her, I have no idea what I'd do. She was so crazy and manipulative that I would feel very challenged and fearful of her. In a fictional sense, this excites me, because I like to feel challenged. In reality it(/she) would probably destroy me.
Since I care greatly for humanity, and where we are heading, I also enjoy thinking about how the movie affects people. Which emotions they could go through and if it would make a slight push towards certain thinking patterns etc. Sometimes I'm afraid of sharing that fact, since some people are really aggressive towards people that try to understand people they don't know. I understand how you can be intimidated by that, given that many people have some degree of xenophobia, but I know that I have purely sincere intentions, so I just try my best to be as diplomatic as possible about it.