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I thought DC was "serious" and "grounded in reality" and "aimed at adults"




So much for THAT talking point, eh Synderverse fanboys?

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They pretty much stopped all that talk with Justice League and Aquaman having a fair amount of humor. Hell, Wonder Woman was a funnier movie than the Snyder flicks and that one was set during a World War.

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It seems that this is DC's Deadpool.

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I feel bad for DC if this is supposed to be their deadpool.
One of the corniest films I have ever seen, aimed at children.

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I would say their Ant-Man.

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I don't see that as Shazam is equally as powerful (perhaps more) than Superman. He's one of the strongest characters ever in the DC Universe.

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Too bad the loudest voice who whined about DC being too dark and brooding got their own way. The old DC would never fare well in our current climate, what with its toxic masculinity and all.

Sadly, wittiness and puns is the sort of thing which tests better with audiences. I'd like to see a real superhero film again, a cinematic one as opposed to an episodic one. The last great superhero film I saw was Logan, which didn't feel the need to soften any blows with a zany punchline.

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I agree with you...I actually like the darker tone in action movies in general. I think the constant attacking of masculinity today is pathetic, and ridiculous. It's also hypocritical how they in Hollywood and the media attack masculinity so much, yet they want their female characters to act just like a traditional "toxic" masculine male in their movies, haha.

Christopher Nolan's Batman films were dark toned...and incredible, well, at least the first two were.

I think the trailer for The Joker film looks like it's darker themed, which would be a nice return.

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Oh yeah Batman Begins is a stunner, my favourite superhero film bar none. The Joker looks promising enough, but if there isn't enough humour cue the complaints.

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I think it depends on the character. Batman stories should be dark but a movie about a kid who turns into a superhero with a cheesy costume shouldn’t take itself seriously. A dark and depressing Superman movie doesn’t work. It ends up looking ridiculous.

Additionally, MCU gets criticisms for being comedies but outside of Guardians of the Galaxy movies and Ragnarok, they have all been straight forward action flicks dealing with things like genocide, terrorism, conspiracies, unstable childhoods, etc.

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Wut? What are you talking about? We never said that!

Such short memories they have.
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“Light-hearted, fun, colorful, adventurous, delightfully silly, witty, self-aware...”

For years, numerous MCU films have been described in these terms, and all these years the Snyder fanbase (deep into ultra-mega-dark-adult superhero films) attacked the MCU nonstop for knowing how to have fun and not being lifeless. I am of course referring to many DCEU/Snyder stans.

Now fast forward to Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam.... and my how things have changed! These 3 DC movies were embraced by critics and audiences and were... omg... described as fun, lighthearted, colorful, etc. They couldn’t have been any more different from the unbelievably grimy Snyder films that gave the DCEU a bad name! So to think it took THOSE three kid-friendly, humorous, and fantastical movies from the current DC extended universe (and NOT the super serious messes that were the Snyder films which more “mature” DCEU fans raved about) to win over people is hilariously ironic. Funny how so many enthusiastically compared them to MCU films even!

With that in mind, what are the anti-MCU Snyderverse tools saying now? Well, I suppose some may hold on to their silly principles and mourn what has become of the DCEU (LOL). But I’m sure a lot more will make excuses and excuses (e.g., “DC does humor better!”) and act like they never made those old criticisms... constantly. Ha! Now don’t get me wrong, darker and more grounded comic films should be welcomed. But hypocritical Snyder fanboys aside, the issue with the majority of Snyder’s movies - and Ayer’s Suicide Squad - is they were badly mishandled and spiritless. But keep in mind, as refreshing as their lighter tones were, Wonder Woman & Aquaman (now Shazam) weren’t better received just because they were lighthearted and fun, but also because they were good films overall AND they respected the source material. Snyder? Like a lot of his fans, he gives the impression that he is basically too cool and too good to let any of his movies do “kids stuff” like dare to be fun and have some levity in them. Frankly, Snyder to me is all style and little to no substance.

And it amuses me that for years Snyder fans have gone on about how hardcore and “made for adults” their genius’ films are, yet... what Snyder delivered by and large felt so forced and hollow. The bleak tones, dark visuals, dark stories.... and still his work never came close to having the HEART, mind, depth, thrills, and MATURITY of the Russo Brothers’ Captain America films. Plus, a great director and storyteller Snyder ain’t.

In closing, while some had their moments (Man of Steel is solid), I’m glad the DCEU Snyder era is over. His vision didn’t do this franchise justice.

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Frankly DC Comics has had lots of characters that are not just clones of Batman. Anyone read Plastic Man or any Wally West Stories. Shazam is literally about a 12 year old who because a muscular superhero. So no its not about guy brooding in his parents basement.

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Can’t beat’em join’em

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Not everything in a particular franchise needs to be dark, cumbersome and pretentious. That gets rather tedious.

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DC saw that as not working and changed (reshot parts of movies) to include more humour since Suicide Squad.

The dark brooding multiverse now is the Universal Monsters one.

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