Could this film have been made (in the US) with it being set in america instead? The white house being blown up at the end of the film, etc?
Would the answer be the same today in 2012 as in 2005 when the film was made?
Could Fight Club have been made in 2002?
Very interested in peoples opinions here...?
This movie was made in 2005, likely the script was written in 2003. That is only 2 years after September 11 event, it would have never been greenlit had it been set in america due to enormous public blind rage due to the 9-11 event.
Also americans hold greater simbolism over their white house, it would not have went well with american audience - the largest movie market out there.
This kind of movie had more chance of being made in 2012 as the publics opinion on the facistic "acts" of the government passed in the last 10 years are slowly getting more to the point, therefore such a movie would be more accepted. Kind of a paradox, since the Occupy movement actually tried to mimic this movie, but this kind of movie would be more acceptable after Occupy event.
Then again, there is the whole deal of america being either right wing or extreme right wing without a real left nowadays, which could hamper the situation. I think England was well picked location.
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It would work today. The White House, The Statue of Liberty, etc... a lot of symbols have been blown up in movies. It wouldn't be an issue.
With the latest scandals with the Obama administration it is a parallel to the movie, which is disturbing. The President sold out the US ambassador and his staff to not have a "terrorist" incident so he wouldn't have a major issue during the election. Using the US Internal Revenue Service to attack and dissuade any political group that did not agree with the far left's view. Seizing the Associated Press telephone numbers and emails for longer than the law allows and without notification which is also against the law. They got shot down by a judge to seize one reporters personal phone, emails and his parents phone and emails. They went to another judge and said he was involved in a crime and they needed these records. These seized up to 2 years.
However neither White House nor Statue of liberty blowing up were real events that killed tens of thousands of people, where many other people knew the people dead in real life. the reaction is much different than of a fictional liberty statue destruction.
Well, the IRS did admit their fault for one, and another thing is, well, DUH, IRS will be mroe scrupulous towards groups that openly opse taxation (main purpose of IRS) and by the standart definition fits the profile of a cult. More scrutiny towards a danger group is normal way of auditing.
Seizure that went unlawful was wrong though, im not defending that.
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Using the US Internal Revenue Service to attack and dissuade any political group that did not agree with the far left's view.
Oh, we definitely have a left! LOL
shareI don't think the movie would have as big as a cult following if it were based in the US. One of the things I absolutely loved about V for Vendetta is how the US is addressed, briefly and in an almost completely subtle way. It was once a great society that eventually collapsed on itself.
shareNo. The reason why is the US is a very segregated country with a lot of different political and social circles. It's also geographically huge. The point of this doesn't work nearly as well for the US as it does for a country that is geographically smaller, older and more unified like GB.
Sure, something like this could be done but it wouldn't be nearly as poignant and it would most likely come off rather cheesy.
Also, this movie was based off of a graphic novel so changing the source material would drastically change, well, just about everything.
Yes, this film could be set in the US, the same essential story, maybe not using the exact same character from the comic. But for sure, it's easier for Americans to watch and believe and even learn from a movie about oppression somewhere farther away from home, because we have a lot of jingoistic people in our nation, and that would have limited the viewing audience more. Whereas this way, we can market it as a simple superhero movie, and wow, by the time you realize what the message of it is, you're already sucked in. Certainly it would have been very difficult after 9/11 to pitch a movie like this, so the farther away from 2000, the less likely we are to be affected by that moment. However, in this movie, I will point out that the blowing up of a symbolic building was less akin to terrorism because it was done with the support of the people and it was announced well in advance so that the will of the people had time to be expressed.
I believe that he was blowing up Parliament, which would be analogous to the Congress Building, and not the White House, which would be like attacking the President's home and office.
Also, no people were killed in the attack, except by police officers trying to contain the protestors. Oh, and of course those who were trying to stop the attack had to be taken out. I believe that it was well publicized ahead of time, so everyone was present to watch the spectacular show, to see if the promise would be kept, but everyone would have been cleared out of the danger zone, and certainly no one would be still in the building.
Sorry, still have no idea what Fight Club has to do with the discussion, so leaving that to someone else.
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Parts of this movie have been already shown and they were set in the US (NY is in the Us, right? WTC was in NY, right?). Just draw the parallel, in one movie we have a party attacking its own country to ascend to power, absolute power, and garner immense wealth for a select few of its top members. In the other "movie" (which unfortunately involved about 3,000 unknowing and unwilling extras) we see an attack on a country that lead to its government severely limiting rights of the people and freedoms won by blood, 225 years ago.
Also, there is a disturbing parallel in the "tone". Just stop for a moment an think how much FEAR plays in your everyday interaction with mass media (last time you saw the news, how much fear was in it?). And this is not specific to the US, it plays this way in most countries; fear is an excellent way of keeping large masses of people under control ("obey or the big bad wolf eats you").
so, instead of asking if a movie like this COULD be set in the US, maybe we should be asking, each of us for our own specific country, how much of it have we already seen in our countries??
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One should never educate oneself through movies, especially when it comes to history, social commentary, and politics. The vast majority of political movies are very biased, if not outright propaganda nonsense - such as this despicable pro-terrorist, latently Marxist turkey.
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shareI think both books and movies can be very educational. George Orwell's 1984, for example: he explains why certain governments (like the Republicans)try to enforce Puritan values on its citizens. It's because when people are deprived of sex, they become hysterical, very Patriotic, violent, and can't wait to go to war. We see that now in the USA. Go to any fundamentalist Christian church in this country, and you'll see the evidence. They continue to this very day to try to pass laws against our sex lives. And as we know, 1984 was written in the 50's. George Orwell was aware of many principles of human nature, even back then. I think it should be required reading in public schools.
shareThe only reason I think it would never be set in the US is the Movie industry might be worried about the backlash from media outlets about it being insensitive to post 911/ War on terrorism (ie The Title character/Hero/Anti Hero is a terrorist). or even the pre-concieved perception of how reactive the American public is.
For me though I think it works better being set in England as (I'm stereo typing here)to me the English are a reserved and stiff upper a lip type country and to show this level of inteligent defiance (stephen Frys character), works well and has more effect for me where I would see an American version as a bit more guns blazing, with Evie as either more of a Victim or Heroine in more open combat aginst V rather than being sympathetic
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No, it just wouldn't be the same film or story. The entire character of it would be fundamentally different. Gunpowder plot and all that being so central to it how could you possibly make it American without basically making a completely different story?
The core of what its about... sure, but it would on its face be so unrecognizable that you would never think to call them the same story.
It would be something, but it wouldn't be V.
The point i was trying to make was more along the lines of "could a film be made in the US in which the hero blows up the white house and shoots the president and all his ministers, because they are obviously corrupt"
The answer to this one is less obvious :D
Depends on who the president and all his staff are at the time. If you think V would like Bush better than Obama, then I must LOLOLOL. If not, my apologies, I misunderstood.
shareIn a certain sense there is an amusing irony in your question in that the theme IS very American... quintessentially American... rising up against tyranny... but to be produced the story might have to be played out against a background of a colonial government (e.g., the Patriot), or it could be played out against a background as if a communist government had taken over the country (e.g., Red Dawn) in which case the story would be perfectly acceptable to the American audience.
For Fight club, I don't know. The club once they progress from just fighting to terrorism, they enact violence without a political point. If it was done with Brad Pitt's character as clearly the bad guy while wearing a scarf over his head, then it would have been produced...
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Yes and no it could have been set in the US. The story would not have been exactly the same though. Keep in mind "O Brother Where Art Thou" is based on the Odysse.
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