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Beautiful film; some thoughts...


Like so many of Michael Mann's films, but even moreso, this is basically a genuine arthouse flick dressed up in commercial blockbuster clothes; a cinematic trojan horse of sorts. No surprise that audiences hated it and it's still struggling to gain back the praise it truly deserves. I've seen it only once in full and now I'm watching it again in small parts, just absorbing the fleeting beauty and visceral power of certain scenes, shots, gestures, moments. Everything is infused with such a pure sense of the "now," there is no past or future, just total enveloping present crashing upon the viewer like ocean waves. Everything looks totally real yet strangely unreal; the skies are a vivid purple or an unearthly gray or warm orange-brown, always smeared with clouds, like some radical impressionist painting.

Everything looks so vibrant and alive, you can practically smell and taste the atmosphere. I don't like most digitally shot films but Mann understands it and utilizes the format exquisitely. There's no way this could look anywhere as beautiful on 35mm. The digital is important too because of this totally digitized, mechanized, globalized world it portrays, with everyone constantly wired, watching or being watched, talking on cell phones, and so on, and as a result often more alienated from each other (I love that shot of Crockett and Tubbs on the club roof near the beginning, both on separate phone calls but standing right next to each other; it reminds of a shot from early in Antonioni's L'avventura, of all the vacationed couples silently standing adjacent to each other on the bottom of the rocky island, each staring idly in different directions).

Of course the film is already "dated" (as most modernist films are), the technology is squarely 2005/6, but this is irrelevant as we're living in basically the same world, just even more advanced and digitally incorporated. In these respects, I feel this film is one of the few really truthful and important modern works that addresses the inescapable nature of technology in society. Many recent films set in the present try to hide the pervasive culture of techno-fetishism, dishonestly clinging to some image of the pre-digital world, as the artist either doesn't know how or doesn't want to address all the issues inherent to such matters. But Vice tackles them head-on; or doesn't so much tackle as "issues" in any didactic way but simply tells the truth and hides nothing in its depiction of the world.

It's a film that never seems to stands still. The shots are mostly brief and at the beginning, of course, we're quite literally suddenly dropped into this alien world, in the midst of everything -- no overt exposition given, just left to piece things together for ourselves. It's an amazing effect, one of the most brilliant openings to a film I've seen. I don't like the director's cut compared to the theatrical because, among other things, it does away with this jarring intro -- I think Mann was perhaps too disheartened about the negative reactions upon release and tried to cut the film to be a bit more more accessible and ingratiating to the average viewer. Ironically it's a film where the theatrical cut is more elliptical, artier and impenetrable than the lengthier, so-called director's cut.

I love this film already and it feels to me infinitely re-watchable in it's pure sensory density and overall richness. It's a heady mix of the dangerous and the entrancing and the sensual, an appropriately fragmented picture of our late-capitalist surveillance society and the almost total sense of displacement that plagues modern man: man now without a real "home." Man without even an idyllic safe haven to dream of. Those countless seaside paradises that earlier Mann men longed for (Frank in Thief, Will in Manhunter, Max in Collateral, Neil in Heat etc.) are now readily achievable; one can get to them quite quickly by boat. But this newfound freedom and loss of boundaries, all things super-globalized and everything one could want readily available, only leads to further existential pain, sadness and ennui, inevitable loss of connection and relationships. It's a long way from the static shots and the static lives of Frank and Jesse in much of Thief; there is little stasis, emotional or physical, to be found in the world of Miami Vice. In the end, there is no escape from the flux; there is only an endless drifting along its streams.

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posting so i am reminded to read this when i'm not so tired.

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yup. he is right. it is an arthouse flick

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no. like Drive was an art house flick. which is a great movie as well

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"A hyper-stylized blend of striking imagery and violence, Drive represents a fully realized vision of arthouse action."

^ Drive on RT. seems the critics agree with me.

Miami vice was artsy. so was drive. its a fact. there is a definition you know. those two films represented what arthosue is. it might not be a fully realized version of it because both were hollywood flicks but still that DNA was present. it's clearly visible in the film

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Drive wasn't a flop lol. it made all it's money back. the budget was 15 mil and it made 35 million.


and plot & cinematography has nothing to do with being artsy btw. it's the way it's shot and how the director handles the subject matter. it's not that hard to understand. Under another director this movie would have been an shot as an action flick but under Mann it was shot as an indie arthouse flick. it's not rocket science bud. but you seem to not know a lot about movies. so i understand. you're just arguing with me because you don't want to be proven wrong which you just were LOL

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Drive did DOUBLE it's output idiot! It's budget was 15 mil and it made 35 MILLION! can you do simple math? 15 plus 15 equals......30!!! plus an additional 5 million! why are you such an idiot? LMAO

and i didn't say miami vice was an indie arthouse flick. I said it was shot like an arthosue flick. wow can't read or do math eh?

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me? yet you're the dumbass that can't add simple math and was proven wrong? LMAOO

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WHOA. you're like 8 months late wtf??! it took you all that time to come up with that? i don't even remember what we were talking about LMAOOOO

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hey at least you're honest. got a of of internet argument going on eh?

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There was nothing artsy about MV, the photography can be found on tons of reality shows on TV


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Drive was an arthouse flick just like Only God Forgives was. Miami Vice has the atmosphere of an arthouse film, I consider it basically an arthouse film even though it had a Hollywood budget and was released by Universal.

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I fell asleep in Drive. Boringest movie EVER!!!!!

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And Gosling boringest actor ever

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Then you missed a very interesting and deep film.

But its probably better if you stick to Transformers, etc. if you fell asleep during Drive.

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just read it. i like it, asktheages.

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Spot on review there - as I type I am watching it agin for the tenth time so the rewatchable tag certainly holds true. The only comment I would make is that I don't see it as art house - an intelligent movie definitely however I think I understand your point that it requires too much thought to be a blockbuster. Again, good to see love for this film!

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No wonder Antonioni´s name just keeps popping up in relation to MV - it´s probably what it would have approximately looked like had he decided to take a full blooded detour into the crime genre.



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Thanks to those who appreciated my ramblings. Yes, I do think it's some kind of weird action-arthouse flick. A movie doesn't need to be laboriously paced with 5+ minute shots and no soundtrack and no gun battles for it to qualify as "arthouse." Vice, and indeed much of Mann's output, inherits many qualities of Antonioni: it's all in the lack of truly meaningful dialog, the lack of true and meaningful connections, the characters' seeming aimlessness and idealistic searching for some kind of paradise-land, the blank gestures... the desensitized, burned-out quality one senses in Tubbs and Crocket at that beginning club scene, not unlike Nicholson's reporter at the beginning of The Passenger.

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Yes I very much appreciated your thoughtful ramblings. There are two mainstream films I've recently revisited and liked, whilst initially not being drawn to them. They are Quantum of Solace and Miami Vice. Quite different films, stories and directors; the commonality I guess being very much the sudden beginnings with little exposition and introduction which you discuss. You're absolutely right about the film being beautiful to look at...as are so many of Mann's films.I did this time become far more embroiled in the story which is full of suspense and yes, Antonioni - like, leaves a number of issues unresolved(the mole? the major drug lord's escape etc.). But it didn't seem to really detract from the film's worthiness.I don't think for a minute Miami Vice stands up to what I believe are some of Mann's greatest achievements (The Last of the Mohicans, Heat, Collateral). But it is really interesting seeing the manner in which he envisions and realises his old TV series 20 odd years hence.

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Great critic, asktheages!

The first time I've whatched it, I didn't know what to think about it, though it's operistic ways had caught me. During the second time, I got it. It's a little kitsch masterpiece. And I don't agree it's dated, but I think it's gonna be more like a "sign of the times" movie.

Why kitsch? Just see the killing of the federal agents at the begining, the gore of that scene. Then, when Alonzo throws himself in front of that truck, nobody seems to care anymore about him. Then check out the sex scenes. The "Hola chico / Hola chica" scene...

As many of Mann's films it's beautiful and hipnotic. It's lika a world of fantasy where criminals and international drugdealers are also fascists and extreme right people, so the police is not only a represive thing but it's making a heroic task.
This world of fantasy has the shape of Miami, the Caribean, and the crziest cities in America (I mean the whole contintent, not the USA), which was a great choice, a strange, hot world where danger seems to be in the turn of the corner. And the use of sea as a space you can transit in a motorboat.

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heroic task? i never saw anything heroic in this film. hell, crockett tries picking the portuguese chick up at the beginning with a fat tip. they seem to be the typical mann characters- work obsessed. as far as gore, i think it meant to be shocking in a sense of: hey, our heroes will have to throw down with that at some point. and the scene with alonzo...i think everyone felt sorry for him. in fact, i think more than anything that was the motivation for tubbs and crockett to go after jose yero. as far as sex...well, i think the attempt was to make them as genuinely intimate as possible. that can be uncomfortable to look at. but gong li's face when she says hola chico....well, it is a look of someone in love, i think. and the aryan brotherhood is a pretty nasty little organization known for their illegal activities. selling meth is kind of like the stereotype for them. so, kitsch? i dunno, it felt somewhat cheesy at times, but i think we as an audience were mainly unocomfortable for their level of intimacy. i never understood for the comment about isabella and crockett not having chemistry...its there. at first its in a way that is a control game, i think. isabella is a hard woman to approach. she is intimidating, and sonny's audacity has a lot to do with how the relationship starts out. overall, i love the film, i really do. i think its very realistic in its details, but a little too out there in its overall story and structure. which is okay with me

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"Just see the killing of the federal agents at the beginning, the gore of that scene".

What of it? There certainly wasn´t any unrealistic amount of blood spilled.


"Nobody seems to care anymore about him".

That´s an incomprehensible complaint - he was dead and hence his storyline done with. Should Crockett and Tubbs have visited his grave every now and then to show how much they care or what?


"Then check out the sex scenes".

The one with Tubbs and that chick´s indeed the low point of the film. So cheesy it´s like out of the original series.




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Great post OP, I still haven't seen Antonioni's L'avventura! Just watched Zabriske Point though.

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Nice review! Nice to see that 6 years later more people are getting this film. I've watched it a couple of times over the years, a couple of times with the commentary, and it gets more engrossing each time! Same with Collateral. There are not many movies that have that effect on me, particularly modern ones.

Mann's commentary on this one and Collateral are master classes; highly, highly recommended.

I still like the "director's cut" (a misnomer), as I like the go-fast boat sequence. I'm not sure which cut I prefer.

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It is definitely a far more intelligent movie than many give it credit for: the plot moves along at a whip-fast pace and Mann never stoops to using dumb, blatant expeditionary dialogue so the onus is on the audience to keep up and interpret what's being said and why. Of course if you go in expecting an easy to follow, switch-off-your-brain action movie, it will be a disappointment but given Mann's filmography I don't know why anyone would expect that.

One of the things that I really enjoyed about the film was the way it plunges you into the undercover world without offering detailed introductions or explanations: instead you have to play catch-up with characters that know their way around this world and as such, repeat viewings are very rewarding, for example the scene where Crockett and Tubbs first meet Guerro (the security guy) and he asks them who else they work with and they respond by going on the offensive and accusing him of being CIA.

Another thing I like is the way that it's an anti-buddy movie of sorts. Crockett and Tubbs don't need to constantly exchange pithy dialogue and cheap puns because they know each other so well that they can read one another's thoughts/feelings from their facial expressions.

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Beautifully said. I truly love this movie...








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