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absolute total disgrace


I enjoyed many parts of this movie

until I realized what kind of anti american bull it is.

the bad guy always wins, evil always prevails, america is the bad guy(the president being the worst)

the wost 5 dollars I've ever spent on a movie


this one goes straight to the trash

I cant believe cage lowers himself to such ignorant 4th grade politics

garbage

two thumbs way down to this 2 hours of ridiculous crap

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OP is a troll.

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haha.. sounds like the original poster is in 4th grade himself..

You know, 18% of the US's GDP is based on foreign arms sales.

How hard would you cry if they stopped selling, and all of a sudden your economy goes to hell in a handbasket.

Face it, weapons are cool, and if the USA didn't supply them, china would.

Just be happy your leaders are smart enough to realize it.

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I'm still wondering why anyone could be so naieve to believe that goverments don't do any kind of horrible things. Wether this is Belgium, France, the UK, Iran, Irak, China or the US. Arms dealing is just basic politics and economy. And all this because of pure egoïsm, it's just a human thing. Power makes people corrupt, wether you like it or not, you can't please everyone.



Examples.

* Belgium brought slavery to Congo, but in the mean while the Belgian economy was flourishing because of the cheap labor and materials.

* the UK, http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/scandals/political.html >> this shows al whole bunch of reasons. (A Collection of Links on politics and political corruption in relation to financial scandals.)

* France, former-president Chiraq is in trial because of bribery and corruption. We're still waiting for the verdict.

*Italy, former-president Berlusconi was recently declared not-guilty of corruption , bribery and not paying his taxes because the case had his 5 year anniversary (I'm sorry I don't know how to say this in English)

* Iran has linched people, because of their sexuality

* The US, installed a dictator in Chili , after a Allende was elected in democratic elections.
* The US provided arms to the Taliban in the 80's to fight against the Sovjet Union.
* ...

(i'm sorry but the examples from the US, are far more spread than for other countries)

Conclusion: Goverment aren't all that nobel and ethical, so stop being so damn naive.

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Good comment

But way too logical and moderate for this place. Most of the people around here only want to fight and be jack-asses.

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How is it anti-American? First, tell me what America stands for, in your opinion. In mine, it stands for freedom, liberty, justice. That is the idea of America.

There were many politicians and other high-positioned men who have betrayed that idea for their own personal gain. People like Colonel Southern in this movie. They are the ones who are anti-American. And this movie clearly shows them as such.

You said it man. Nobody f_cks with the Jesus!

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Repeat after me, it's just a movie. It's just a movie. It's just a movie.

It's not REAL. It's FICTION. It's meant to be ENTERTAINING, not taxing on the brain. Lighten up, all of you.


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Repeat after me, it's just a movie. It's just a movie. It's just a movie.

It's not REAL. It's FICTION. It's meant to be ENTERTAINING, not taxing on the brain. Lighten up, all of you.



Actually quite a lot of this movie is based on truth. The Selling of Arms, and armsdealers supported by governments is what the director wanted to shed a light on.

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Addresscanonlybe30letter you don't know anything about what is going on in the world. This is one of the best and real movie to ever come out of Holihood. It is certainly not ant-american but I call it ant-weapon trafficking.

I think you like watching Chuck Norris beating the hell out of Vietnamese or Stallone or Arnold. Believe you me, those are propaganda stories but this one is the real picture of what transpired and is still happening in most of the war zone areas of this world as I respond to you.

As an African, I say thumbs up to the producers, directors, actors and all that came out with the idea to make such a wonderful movie. If only all movie industries could concentrate in such real events, I bet you this world would be a better place to live in. AND YES, I LIKE AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE.

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The film is deliberately misleading, and politically light to make its point to uneducated people.

The film portrays the exploits of a gun trafficker, who aside from illegally smuggling weapons, did some legitimate arms dealing as well to buffer his profits or give him some kind of cover identity for his real business.

The US has hardly hid its involvement in the selling of weapons and war machines to foreign bodies. Too many times it has bit us in the ass, but us selling weapons to Iraq, or the Taliban was hardly a secret. In fact, we didn't hire some under the radar, fly by night gun smuggler to go buy weapons from Ukraine armories to sell to Afghanistan like this film portrays. We actually sold them US issue weaponry that the US government purchased from Colt Defense and other manufacturers.

Many arms deals are done government to government without these 3rd party arms dealers, but sometimes, such as how the US government buys weapons from Heckler & Koch, deals are done between government and privatized industry from other nations.

These illegal gun smugglers are the middle man. Governments and manufacturers don't deal with the middle man. The film portrays this middle man, then at the end puts up a banner talking about the exportation of firearms by the US, UK, Russia, France and China. Also the five permanent seats on the UN security council.

Those five nations make up five of the most industrialized nations on the planet. The statistics of gun exportation, are the statistics of legal exportation. Legal small arms trafficking makes up about 1/8th of all weapons trades. About 1/8th of those trades are illegal trades, on the black or grey market. A very small market by comparison to the amount moved by governments and private industries to governments. The films says this itself.

The majority of all weapons trades are vehicles, ordnance and more than anything else ammunition. A nation only needs a finite number of guns, and unlike the movie portrays, it is not cheaper to buy new several thousand new M16s and ammunition than it does to carry the ones back from overseas. That is an outright lie and is ridiculous. The majority of money from the arms trade isn't from selling firearms.

I can only assume the "based on real events" is a reference to Victor "The Devil" Infante and his exploits as both a gun runner, and a drug dealer. I assure you, you can look this man up and his exploits are not very similar to what happened in the movie at all. He was busted importing weapons into a nation with a UN embargo over it, after a deal a legal gun deal went sour and the buyers wanted the weapons returned to the manufacturer. These are the same UN security council that are held up as the "bad guys" at the end of the film.

The film presents two different aspects to the gun trade, one the illegal, black and grey market side, then tries to marry it to the nation to nation, or private industry to government trades as if they are a single business. It doesn't come out and say that the nations of the USA, UK, PCR, Russian Federation, or French Republic are the ones supplying embargoed nations with weapons to fund their economy after putting the embargo in place initially although it does heavily imply it. That is false however and manipulative on the part of the film makers. Go out and do your own research. None of those five nations export weapons to nations they enforce embargoes on.

They may have sold weapons to questionable buyers in the past, and probably will do so in the future, but the kind of dealing you saw in the movie, to West African war torn nations, selling guns to both sides as the Brittish dealer said he did is something that happens on the relatively small scale and is done by neutral, often illegal dealers selling stolen or misappropriated weapons that were purchased legally and shipped to an alternate location and disappear.

Fact of the matter is, "Andy" in the movie couldn't afford the USA's or the UKs or any other industrialized nations asking price for weapons, and it is heavily implied that there is an embargo over his head because he needs Yuri's help to get weapons, which he wouldn't if he could acquire them through normal channels, and he wouldn't have been summoned to NYC to be sanctioned by the UNSC.

The film is just attempting to mislead the casual viewer who doesn't follow political or economic currents, which far too many hollywood films attempt to do. People who don't know politics selling politics. The sellers of these arms might be Americans, or Brits, or Chinese but it doesn't mean the men portrayed in the film are representative of the governments from which they originate which is what is implied. I can tell you that the UK didn't sell both Iran and Iraq weapons during the war, which is essentially what the film is telling you to believe. Do your own research, and look up Victor Infante (the gun smuggler, not the poet) and see what you think of the "truth" behind this story. Do your own research into the arms trade for that matter and the truth behind the film.

Edit: I have read that the film is based on Viktor Bout, who is a former KGB operative turned gun runner. You can read up on him as well as Infante.


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Err, you'd be kidding yourself if you thought that the U.S. hasn't sold weapons through a conduit like this.

How do you think we sold weapons to Iran again? Or how do you think we then used that money to funnel half way across the world to exterminate many people in South America (El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.)?

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you mindless pro-US boy.
look at your fabolous goverment and think what they have done to the world?

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wow, what a response. think that all up by yourself naflish? you're as mindlessly anti-US as the person you accuse of being pro-US. here's one thing the US has done for the world: INVENTED THE AIRPLANE. see? countries have both good and bad sides to them. no different than the country YOU come from. idiot.

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The thing with humans is that they are very selfish and ungrateful. No wonder alot of countries envy the US.

To Live and Let Live...

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No, the USA didn't invent the airplane. The Wright brothers were just one of many at the time who were working on the invention of air travel and it is even proven that Richard Pearce of New Zealand actually succeeded months before the Wright brothers did, there was just minimal report on it.

Of course all countries have good and bad sides to them. That is not the point.

The actual point is the movie Lord of War is NOT anti-American.

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"until I realized what kind of anti american bull it is."

Really? I thought it was a pro American movie about a brave ATF agent that will do whatever it takes to bring down a scumbag arms dealer! I must have missed the point...

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Sure, I can dig it, a disgrace. But have you really done your history? My guess is no, because anti-American or not, the idea that America encourages/funds wars to our own benefit is 100% true. Here's a start: look into the Iran-Contra affair. Look at the CIA's involvement in Central and South America and Africa during the 1970's and 1980's. We've been naughty, and I can assure you that whether or not you know this to be true, the rest of the world knows. They know who armed Saddam Hussein's war against Iran (my enemy's enemy theory). They know that we smuggled arms to Iran (our enemy!!!) to ensure Saddam didn't come out too strong because we didn't want a powerful militant state that the Middle East could rally behind. They know that Saddam ended up so far in debt after his war with Iran that he invaded Kuwait to make his money back. Oh, and they also know who trained and armed that tall bearded Saud prince who went to fight against the communists (remember, our enemy!) over in Afghanistan. They know who armed and backed Israel so Egypt couldn't become a Middle East Powerhouse. They know we've done these things to keep ourselves rich and in control of the resources of other places. Like it or not, America has been bad, and now we are paying for the way we've treated and used the rest of the world.

So I ask you, you who hates this movie which holds so much truth, will you now do your history?

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They know that we smuggled arms to Iran (our enemy!!!) to ensure Saddam didn't come out too strong because we didn't want a powerful militant state that the Middle East could rally behind.
You forgot to mention the other part of that affair, which was selling arms to the terrorist Contras in Nicaragua. Everyone always seems to forget that part.

Lenin zhil, Lenin zhiv, Lenin budet zhit'!

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To OP. Go away troll. I hope nobody is stupid enough to believe you are serious.

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i'm sickof you euporans bashing anerica america has done nothing wrong

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i'm sickof you euporans bashing anerica america has done nothing wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965–66#U.S._invol vement_and_reaction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#US_invo lvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#Use_in_the_Vietnam_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_coup_of_1973#U.S._role

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27état#American_Inv olvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état#U.S._role

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_the_Dominican _Republic_(1965-1966)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Haitian_coup_d%27état

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haitian_rebellion#Controversy_regard ing_U.S._involvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor#U.S._involvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the _Iran–Iraq_war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#The_shooting_down_of_ Flight_655

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War#United_States_involv ement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobutu_Sese_Seko#Relations_with_the_Unite d_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_IA_Feature

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia#CIA_activities_and_leftist_insurg ency

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27état_attempt#All egations_of_U.S._involvement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Argentine_coup_d%27état

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War#US_involvement_with_the_Junta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Council

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas#Human_rights_viola tions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition_by_the_United_Sta tes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism

And this is all just off the top of my head. I could go on if you'd like to see more.

Lenin zhil, Lenin zhiv, Lenin budet zhit'!

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Omfg game, set, match lmao.

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