I hated it. Here's why.


Before we all jump to the "technical brilliance" of this and the "that's how Korea was back then" that, allow me to say why this film irked me to no end. First off, it was LONG! And for that long, I wanted something real good out of it.

The main characters had no discernable depth. Park: irascible, stupid even in his pompus belief of his clairvoyance in picking out the guilty, was constantly wrong through most of the film. His methods were coercive, brutal, unintelligent and at time, down-right superstitious. OK. So I don't care for this character.

Next, Jo. The high-kick side-kick. First, from a realistic film standpoint, his kicks are a bit over the top. It looks more like a fantasy Matrix kick than how cops actually beat people up. But I'll put that aside. He is at least consistent. He is hot-tempered, do as Park tells him, and a single-dimensioned side-kick. He's fine. But I don't care for him either, that's the point.

Next, Suh, the cop from Seoul. From the special feature, I learned that he had a personal vendetta to gripe with, which would have made his character a lot more interesting had that aspect been made clear in the film. The film, as presented, did not mention it. OK, so again, I hoped he was the voice of reason. And for a long time, he was. I was happy with that, all the way till the end, he suddenly flips a switch, and decides to ignore DNA lab test result and shoot the guy. Now, if the film had made it clear that this last suspect was indeed the killer, then fine, Suh is in the right. But the Film NEVER made that clear, which I could only draw the conclusion that Suh is acting immorally. Despite pressure, right is right, and you can't kill someone before you are sure they are indeed a murderer. So again, I don't care for Suh.

Chief police. He knew very well the operation of Park and Jo. I mean, that was pretty much implied when he talked about how the reporters are always crowding around and why so many protesters come around. So, the chief is just as backwards as Park and Jo. While I give him credit for reprimanding Jo in a later juncture of the film, he is by no means a character with the credibilitiy to be a voice of reason.

So, you see the problem here? There's no one character for you to hang onto. Perhaps this is the American in me talking, but when I watch a film, especially a long one, I want to empathize, sympathize and like at least one of the protagonists. Here, I've got nothing. This leads to the point, what the heck is the point of the film? To tell me how corrupt that society was and that's why they couldn't catch the serial killer? Or, is the film attempting to be a Mockumentary? No is the answer to both.

I've learned in the 2nd grade to not write something unless you've got a point. Not just a bunch of facts. Even documentaries have points. Here, i've got nothing, except 3 hours lost. This film was utterly unenjoyable, dissatisfying for me. I will say this much, I know I am able to be this brutal and harsh in my review of the film because I am not a Korean, so I do not have all these nostalgic links to the subtler points to the film. But what is a film? It's a story with a point. That's the basis. Here we are just presented with a bunch of facts, some awkwardly acted, and overall, dissatisfying.

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I simply don't understand how could anyone "HATE" a film like this. Nobody is forced to like it, but to HATE it is too much...

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Jeebus crust why can't people just let this *beep* be. I'm sick of seeing nothing but troll threads on top every time I come to the page of any obscure foreign film I love.
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Hey guys,

Just saw it tonight at the Wisconsin Film Festival where they're showing several Joon-ho Bong movies. I like how everyone is coming down on the original poster's 2007 comment about how it's too long - it IS a little too long. It's a great movie, but I do think it could use a little editing.

That being said, I appreciated the ambiguity and really loved the ending a lot. I could see how a person wouldn't like this and this whole "oh duh, go watch Soul Plane" thinking towards someone that doesn't like this is a little knee-jerk. Some people don't like ambiguous movies - that doesn't mean they're dumb or only like slapstick.

However, I did like this and more than anything, I'm liking thinking about it. This will go on the shortlist of movies I've seen where I liked it OK while watching it but then, after the fact, like it a lot more, once I've had some time to think about it. (Also - the context stuff in the earlier posts in this thread are pretty dang helpful.)

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You guys got trolled hard, the OP never returned.

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Why does leafletta have to hang onto any characters in a movie in the first place?

Yes, the cops (Park and Jo) are immoral, unprofessional and stupid. They use a lot of violence to try to force their suspects to confess. Why does the movie show you all these instead of making the main characters likable by the audience? Because these are real human beings who do exist - Human beings that have a dark side.

Back then, ruled by a military dictatorship, it can be easily understood why there was not much protection of human rights and the two cops can get away with their horrible interrogation methods. The director gives us enough and obvious political context throughout the whole movie, right from the very beginning. Even in a peaceful era, these ugly things do still happen.

I think Suh tries to kill the suspect near the end of the movie despite what the DNA results say because he STILL strongly believes the suspect is the killer. (The DNA result does not really rule out the suspect as the killer, it only indicates the semem left on the victim's clothes does not match the suspect's sample.) Being so emotionally attached to the case and feeling responsible for the girl's death, he's blinded by his anger and shoots the person he thinks is the killer. This is different from shooting someone he cannot tell whether is the killer. (I am not concluding that therefore he is not acting immorally. I am only saying that he thinks he is sure that the suspect is the killer, and the lack of evidence allowing this "killer" getting away with it in front of his eyes makes him shoot.)

I am not Korean either and do not particularly like Korean movies. But I have seen some Korean movies that are really good and of quality. This movie is one of them.

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I know this topic is half a decade old, and the OP is never going to return, but I just wanted to point out that the silly high-kicking side-kick wasn't that much of a stretch. There's a reason why you see the things you do in Korean movies (or whatever other country you're watching movies of); because these behaviors , antics, personalities, etc DO exists. The silly over the top high-kicks are REAL! People complain about the "unrealistic" silly behavior of people in Japanese movies too, but these people have clearly never put their sights on Japanese culture.

If you(or you!) don't believe me, you can keep watching more serious Korean films, or check a movie streaming website (perhaps youtube) where a lot of authority-figure Koreans are fighting. I've seen a dozen videos of students and teachers flying in the air kicking each other in the chest, recorded on kids camera-phones and posted online.
Just because something seems silly to us, doesnt mean it's not a true character or cultural trait. You'll notice a lot of slapping of the face, and smacking the back of peoples heads in Korean movies. This is a huge departure from the way Americans degrade people in their movies (spitting, punching, etc)

About the "awkward" acting...I'm just going to say I disagree, and think in general Koreans are consistently better actors than most Americans we see on screen. Song Kang-ho is undeniably one of the best actors out there. I'm sure a google/wiki search would verify that I'm alone in thinking this. A character lacking charisma doesnt mean the character is failed/pointless; I actually enjoy seeing realistic depictions of people. It's nice when a movie is full of genuine, sometimes unlikeable people, as opposed to nothing but beautiful, charismatic characters we love to love, connect with, sympathize for, etc. It's just a bit corny to me.

While I agree the movie dragged on longer than it had to, I think I can sum up the movies point easily; there was no closure. The police aren't perfect. The "good" guys don't always prevail. I thought the last minute of the movie was pretty heavy-hitting, but I guess if the last line didn't sell the movie to you, then nothing else about it would either.



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I was going to make a comment like:
I pity and envy at the same time the operator to see only the surface of the world around us without ever trying to understand its mechanism, it must be frustrating but very relaxing to have no empathy.

but i checked his name on the responses and nothing, so another troll who needed attention or something more brutal, i hope it was helpfull for him.


Of course this movie is not far to be a masterpiece for me, and certainly in my top 20 of "film noir"/"polar".

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@leafletta - It is you being "an American." I hate when people say that, it makes it seem like Americans need things spelled out for them and can only watch good versus evil-evil always losing-sugar packets of film. But I digress...

I don't think this is anywhere near being the best of the best films evar, but it is a great one. And as far as Suh is concerned: Really? You didn't feel anything like empathy when the "hero" fell? He had just found the little girl he had befriended over the time of the investigation brutally raped and murdered. His foundations had been so shaken that he was ready to kill, something he would have never done. This has come up a time or two in Korean cinema. Watch "I Saw the Devil" and you'll see what I mean. It's not about being good or bad. It's about trying to portray something real, and in this case an allegory for the political times.

Sometimes things don't get wrapped up. Sorry. That's the way of it. I wouldn't say that is enough to knock this film. It may be a different case if this wasn't based on true events. Sometimes cops can't find the killers. And sorry you can't sit through a 2 hour and 11 minute (hardly 3 hours...) film. I just have to ask: exactly how often do you watch Korean movies? A lot of them are 2 hours. You may want to stay away from them if that's an issue.

Also: Thank you, davidchoi, that just gives me more to go on. :)

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