I was very disappointed in The Ladykillers and would love to see Marlon Wayans (or 'Moron' Wayans as I like to call him) get the Worst Actor award given at The Razzie Awards. I hated Wayans' acting and character in this film. He annoyed me worse than any character I've ever seen in a movie! I got sooo sick and tired of him screaming the "F" word over and over...and over! However, the bottom line is: Marlon Wayans sucks in this film and should get a well-deserved award for his stomach-turning acting. Any agreements? Any disagreements? (You must be insane if you do disagree)
I agree. What was the Coens thinking of casting the worst actor out of the Wayans Brothers? BTW, I was glad he was the first man to get shot in the movie!
tennenbaum, quit being such a whiner. i think marlon wayans played a great role. you may not like the CHARACTER but his acting was right on par with how that role should have been played. just because a character uses the "F" word a lot doesnt mean that the actor is horrible or deserves an award for being terrible. he wasnt, if there was a horrible actor or character here it was the jock/mentally handicapped kid. i felt like his role in the movie was a complete waste and it doesnt take any kind of true skill to play a role like that. i really didnt find any comedy in him so maybe replacing him with some other oddball that actually took part in the events would have been a better pick. overall though this movie was pretty good. its not great but it didnt suck either. definitely one of the more witty heist films out there.
I do hate the character! I hate the actor as well though because you could tell he was trying to be funny. That's not the way you do it! You're supposed to be funny without trying. It's supposed to come natural with the way you're playing the character. And in my opinion, The Ladykillers DID suck...royally, in fact. Every character, except for Prof. Dorr and the old lady in some moments were very unfunny and pointless (not that their characters were pointless in the story, they all had special jobs; I mean there was no need for them to be so lousy). I also think "witty heist film" sounds like a terrible story for a movie, which is probably why I didn't like the Ladykillers! This is my opinion. I did not like this story, mostly because of Wayans and, yes you called it, his character. All of that bad language was unnecessary and very annoying! Marlon Wayans is NOWHERE near a skilled or good actor(probably never will be). This is my opinion and "I'm stickin' to it!
How did you make that conclusion? That's totally absurd. We're talking about Marlon Wayans in The Ladykillers, the role that proved he is not a good actor. How does specifying an actor in a particular film equal that actor in general?
Sorry to interfere here but your logic makes no sense. LadyKillers can not PROVE that Marlon Wayans is a horrible actor unless you can agree that Requiem for a Dream can prove he is an excellent actor. You can argue that both prove or disprove a single situation but one rational can not exist without the other and at the same time both scenarios can not feasabily be true. More simply isntead of discussing the importance or possible lack thereof of a single performance allow us to look at the sources of measure while assessing abilities in one's acting. These are versatility, believability, range and depth. Some may argue that VERSATILITY and RANGE are the same thing however they are wrong when stating this.
Versatility is the ability to play many different roles that face different situations.
Range is the ability to express diverse and often contradictory emotions simultaniously, repeatedly and in reaction to one another.
Personally I don't believe one movie (any movie) can PROVE if an actor is great or not, except in very rare occasions (i.e. William Macy in The Cooler and Vincent Gallo's performance in Buffalo 66 left no room to argue because the characters themselves went through so many emotions that here range was credibly shown and therefore they can easily be labeled excellent actors). Generally speaking, one would measure an actor's ability against different roles.
Personally I think that Marlon's performance in LadyKillers was well done and performed well. You have to look and see the psychology of the character and not simply if the character is annoying. He's supposed to be annoying and overdone. That wasn't where the comedy was found. The comedy in this movie was much more subtle and found in the actual happenings and not in a character (any character for that matter). It's the relationships that build to the happenings that then bring the comedy out of this dark murky production.
And that's what it's supposed to be and it does it very well. It's dark, it's sinister and it represents the battle between EVIL and GOOD.
People casually mention the Poe references without really understanding their reason for being there. It isn't simply so someone can say, "wow that's from Edgar.." No, it's there because Poe's writing had battled the same internal demons that this script tackled.
It's deeper and Marlon's character added to that depth. His simple yet strong persona brought the house of cards together and then slowly one by one as they died, it crumbled down.
Now again this comes down to opinion. You have every right to state that for whatever reason you found Marlon's character unbelievable and without emotion or lacking some quality you found necessary to qualify him in your mind as more than satisfactory. However, to state then that this character shows his inability to act while not acknolwedging then that a different role could disqualify this notion entirely only beckons arched eyebrows and dismissive responses from your readers.
"the role that proved he is not a good actor. How does specifying an actor in a particular film equal that actor in general?"
this is an old post but i just have to say WTF!?
you said:
the role (particular) that proved he is not a good actor (universal). How does specifying an actor in a particular film equal that actor in general(universal)?
what on earth were you smoking when you said that?
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why am i responding to a post 4 years old? anyhow.... you said:
How did you make that conclusion? That's totally absurd. We're talking about Marlon Wayans in The Ladykillers, the role that proved he is not a good actor. How does specifying an actor in a particular film equal that actor in general?
how did he make that conclusion? i dunno, but maybe cause your post is "Worst Actor: Marlon Wayans"... not'character' or 'actor in the film'... duh...
It's mercy, compassion and forgiveness I lack. Not rationality...
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you said in a previous comment that he isn't a goood actor and will never be well in requiem he = ubertastic (its a word, look it up) don't judge an actor by 1 (or 3 or 4) movies (the scary movie series....no good) im yet to watch the ladykillers to judge for myself (its sitting right beside me) and im there seem to be an equal amount of haters and lovers for it...so we'll see how it goes.
i didn't read ALL the posts on this topic, but in the way of worst actor i have five words for you all - "Nick Cannon and Keanu Reaves".
Marlon is a showboat/goofball, and always has been. he was playing a quirky character in this. the Coens are ALWAYS good for these types in their flicks.
tenebaum, i believe that when you stated that "Marlon Wayans is NOWHERE near a skilled or good actor(probably never will be", you opened this board up to comments regarding other movies that he has been in order defend the fact that he is in fact a good actor. personally i thought he was one of the funnier parts of the movie, much butter than hanks with his annoying laugh. in my mind the worst role, (whether it was because of the actor or the directing) was the dumb white guy, that part was terrible. i hate to bring in another movie but michael rappaport in a similar role in small time crooks did a much better job.
Doug knows whats up, this is probably Marlon's funniest role to date. I agree that he isn't the best actor but its not like he writes the schit, he just reads the lines and gets into character. Ladykillers is an intelligent comedy, so it is solely the fault of your own dimwittedness that you couldn't see the importance of each character, and how greatly each was portrayed. I think some of you might just be salty because you actually bring your bitch to the motherphuckin Waffle Hut.
I can see in this movie what you are saying to a point- Does Waynes do anything unique in this movie other than a few faces? Take a generic or general (this is not meant to sound racist- not my intent at all) black male 'Comedic actor' to play a talk big but bitch out homeboy. How does Marlin do this any better than a generic actor? You could pick any actor that is not horrible and get the same basic result in my opinion. It's almost like martin Lawrence in Nothing to Loose. I think his part could have been played by anyone as good if not better.
I can't say that Marlin is a sucky actor from this- but defo not anything to wright home about in this movie.
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He just hates Marlon and will never change his mind don't bother bringingup Requiem, I doubt he'd ever bother to see it or if he does to still give Marlon his due. Like he said, he's sticking to his opinion.
Thank you very much Ernesto-Guevara! You are probably the most intelligent person on this whole message board. You make the most sense out of all of these people!
I don't know why you are talking about Requiem For A Dream because this is the message board for The Ladykillers! Try sticking to the movie we're talking about. Also, you should learn some manners. Just because someone doesn't agree with doesn't mean you have to tell them to shut the hell up. Did you honestly think I wouldn't reply to this? You don't make much sense!
You're right T15; that Ty2Shy was way off the subject and way out of line with his rudeness! Thanks for replying and straightening him out. But there is one thing: YOU DO NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP!! Make any sense? Maybe not----but I don't care!!!
You make no sense whatsoever! You compliment me and then insult me. That's just stupid. People don't use the message boards to shut up, they use them to share ideas and opinions. Telling someone on a message board to "shut the hell up" is the worst place you could say that.
Internet fighting, wow, seems like tenenbaum is really trying to win this. That's all good, but you know what they say in about winning internet argument, it's like the special olympics, even if you win, your still a retard.
Marlon isn't that terrible, I haven't seen alot of his movies, but the ones I saw, I found hilarious, such as senseless, scary movie (just the first 1), and of course, the wayans bros.
But you think hes terrible, that's your opinion and it's cool, not everyone has the same tastes.
No people don't use the message boards to shut up they use it to tell other people to shut up because if people did shut up then who would tell people to shut up??
EDIT I didn't read all the post lol was reply to a shut up post by someone... forget who..
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I would encourage you to watch Requiem For A Dream sometime, Tenenbaum15. Just pretend that Marlon Wayans isn't in it while you watch it. He'll do a good job of convincing you it's not him.
Oops, that wasn't about "The Ladykillers," I guess that's illegal to talk about here. You can't say "People don't use the message boards to shut up, they use them to share ideas and opinions." while discouraging people to mention things that refute your point. Freedom to post on a message board sure is a double-edged sword, ain't it?
The title of this thread is "Worst Actor: Marlon Wayans." I think it was you who made the first mistake of putting this thread on "The Ladykillers" board. This belongs on the "Marlon Wayans" board. Why punish us for your incompetence?
It is you who are incompetent. I put this on The Ladykillers board because he is the worst actor for The Ladykillers only. (Duh!) I have seen Requiem For A Dream and personally thought it was a waste of time. You are screwing with my words and I don't appreciate it. This is not politics, it is just simply discussing the terrible acting in The Ladykillers. Therefore, since Marlon Wayans had a big role in this film, I'm talking in particular about him (there is also the fact that I just don't like him). Also, I don't think getting off the subject on an Internet message board is "illegal." It is definitely frowned upon and inconvenient for someone who is trying to stick to the main topic, though.
Requiem For A Dream...a waste of time. How astute. Thanks for your reasoning. I understand why you didn't provide any worthwhile backing for that statement, because that would be shying away from the original topic, which is an INCONVENIENCE to you...heaven forbid you'd have to defend your arguments.
The problem with you on this board is that anyone who refutes your points is "frowned upon." This topic really does belong in the Marlon Wayans board, and yes, I can understand why it's in the Ladykillers board, but just because it's here doesn't mean you can't bring other areas into play when something is challenged (in this case, Marlon Wayans' acting ability). That's ridiculous. As "comftabiiil" already stated, you opened the thread up to defend Wayans in general when you said "Marlon Wayans is NOWHERE near a skilled or good actor(probably never will be)."
Wayans played the character exactly the way it should be played...the characters in the movie are called stock characters. If you want to discuss this sort of idea, please contact me, because it appears you don't understand the concept.
And enough about Internet manners, you're not as mannered as you think you are...you yourself insulted any people who disagreed with you in the very first post. "(You must be insane if you do disagree)"
Everyon will have their own opinions about movies, especially about a film like Requiem For A Dream. I really don't care to change your mind about that. I didn't provide any worthwile backing on that subject because IT IS OFF THE SUBJECT! I don't care enough to defend my argument about some movie that isn't the Ladykillers (in this case). Anyone who disagrees with my point is not frowned upon. You are screwing with my words again! Please stop that because, once again, this isn't politics. Yes, this topic could belong on the Marlon board, but I thought it was more appropriate for The Ladykillers people to see it. I will bring any areas into this discussion that have to do with The Ladykillers or Marlon Wayans IN The Ladykillers. I care to discuss "stock characters" because they have to do with The Ladykillers. I wouldn't call it a "concept" though. I think it's a crappy idea and a bad waste of characters in what could've been a good movie. Also, when I stated that "You must be insane if you do disagree" was a sarcastic remark that was supposed to either make people smile who agreed with me, or get people going (just like you) to leave a message. Thank you for not using curse words, though. I'm glad to see you've got your annoyances under control.
See, Marlon Wayans was playing the most stereotypical black token male character you can think of. And so in that aspect, it would appear that he was perfect in the role.
You can say all you want about his acting, but I think your complaints are more suited towards the Coen brothers for using these stereotypical character types. Personally, I thought it was pretty effective.
Thank you for repeating everything you've already said, though. I'm glad to see that you're still not providing any worthwhile backing to your opinons.
Yes, stock characters, a crappy idea. That's what I said. Thanks for not changing my words around again. I thought Marlon's performance was pretty annoying, not effective.
Your quite welcome. I enjoyed listing my opinions once again for you to review. I don't know why you keep talking of backing. What do you want backed up in particular? I've told my opinion. Think about that word opinion (and learn how to spell it as well).
Also, I don't know who Plautus is. Does it have a first name? Does it have anything to do with what we've been discussing?
Well, I do believe you just finished yourself off. Opinions need backing, unless you're a blatant idiot who just says things. Your opinion is unfounded. It needs support.
Speaking of opinions, I apologize for my misspelling of opinion. Good to see you're still practicing your self-proclaimed "Internet manners" by insulting people's grammar. I don't subscribe to that school of thought, so I say that I'm glad that you kicked yourself in the arse by using the wrong form of "you're."
Your last post makes me think even more that you have no idea what stock characters are.
Plautus is one of the most famous Roman playwrights who was a big fan of using stock characters in his plays.
If I started this thread in the Marlon Wayans board, would you be willing to join me and discuss other films he has acted in? Or would that threaten your argument?
You didn't answer my main question. This is pointless. It's wasting my time. I've decided that I really don't care what you think. I thought we would trade insults, but answer important questions at the same time. Just never mind. Please don't waste your time and reply back to this. I certainly hope to God that you have something better to do!
I can think of about 10 actors off the top of my head who are worse than Marlon Wayans. Once again, Requiem for a Dream, hell, even the slightly underrated Sixth Man he did a decent job in. And by the way, him cursing in the movie...I don't belive he had anything to do with the WRITING of the script. He did his job well in my opinion and pretty much half of the movie theatre I was in was laughing at the repeated line, "you brought your b!tch to the waffle hut?"
Excuse me. I don't mean to impose, but I am the Ocean.
I like Marlon Wayans in everything he is in. He is soooooooooooooooo funny I don not understand your viewpoint nor agree with it U bout to jump out the window...k ...now point your toes
I don't know why you are talking about Requiem For A Dream because this is the message board for The Ladykillers! Try sticking to the movie we're talking about.
you right a...hole this is about ladykillers. YOU made this about Waynes. i dont care for him either and i hated the 'wayans brothers' show but the posters are saying judge him by his body of work not one performance.
I am sorry but I have to disagree....I felt one of the funniest parts of the movie was when Marlons character was spouting off in the waffle hut....."I cant beleive you brought your B**** to the Waffle Hut!"....My hubby and I were rolling on that one....All in all it is definitely a keeper in our collection.
i am *beep* sick and tired of people saying that if u dont like a black person than u r racist honestly grow the hell up just cuz u dont like someone of a diff race doesnt mean u r racist god damn. wat if u dont like jim carrey or some other guy that makes u racist cuz he's white and u dont like him according to u. doesnt make sense. black people always have to use the race card it is freaking annoying as hell i am sick of it. i dont got a problem with black people its just annoying how they use the race card for every god damn thing
Admit it! Admit it! Deep down inside in places that you don't want to admit----You want me on that wall!You need me on that wall! OOOPS! Sorry guys! That's my Jack Nicholson delusion kicking in again! What I meant to say is that your real reason for not liking M.Wayans is that deep down inside you're just a couple of Nazis---that's all!! I can accept that from PE36---- He's from Philly! But youT15?!?!? Of all the people!
TENENBAUM 15!! 15!! 15!! It's you--Tenebaum15!! Don't you hide behind that silly "16" disguise----We all know it's you! And no matter what you do to hide will not change the fact that you're a stinking NAZI!! And remember-------Marlon Wayans is the most promising Actor of our modern film era!!! SO THERE!!!
I admit that the waffle hut scene did put a smile on my serious-as$ face, but nothing more. Thanks for being nice in your reply, though. A lot of people don't have any Internet manners! Also, it's kind of good to see people use the word "hubby". You don't hear that that often anymore (at least where I come from).
Before, Tenenbaum15 said that Marlon Waynes would never become a good actor. <---or something like that (I'm to lazy to go back up and check)But then he seemed to lose his "internet manners" when Requiem For A Dream was brought up. I thought that Ladykillers was decent, but not even close to being as good as The Big Lebowski. And i wont necessarily say that Waynes' preformance was anything special, however he was good in RFAD. And to say that he did a bad job in The Ladykillers isn't really saying much, because i dont see how that role could have been that good in the first place.
I thought Wayans and the character he played was horrible in this movie.
Wayans was so bad that I really can't tell whether a different actor could have done something with this part, or whether it was ill conceived from the get go.
I am simply curious as to what sort of trash--given that he is a fan of neither The Ladykillers nor Requiem For A Dream (both excellent films, by the way)--Monsieur Tenenbaum is in fact a fan of? According to his so elegantly chosen screenname, I take for granted that he is a self-proclaimed Wes Anderson fan, though I significantly doubt that he has troubled himself to view Bottle Rocket. Tell me, Sir Tenenbaum, what is so sickeningly offensive of Marlon Wayans upon your palate? He simply played the part that Messrs. Joel and Ethan Coen wrote. Any other "talented," young, black actor, such as...ah, who might you like... Will Smith, perhaps?... would have recited the same lines. Apparently, you should express your dissent upon one of the respective Coen brothers' websites. Alas, I must disagree with you, though I am quite certain that I am perfectly sane. And let it be known, sir, that you are in fact, an ass-hat.
Actually, I am a fan of many different films in mixed genres. I have seen Bottle Rocket and I thought it was great. I loved the acting, story, and setting of it. I am, however not as big as a Wes Anderson fan as you may think. I actually only liked Rushmore because of Bill Murray's hilarious performance. Other than that, I despise that particular film. I totally can't stand Will Smith, either. I can't look at him and I only sat through Men In Black and Wild Wild West because of Tommy Lee Jones and Kevin Kline. My favorite black actors are Samuel L. Jackson, Derek Luke, and Cuba Gooding Jr. I know Marlon didn't write this part, but the swearing was something I mentioned for what I call a "sub-debate" because I really wanted to focus on his sucky acting. I just threw the "f word" thing in there as another flaw of the film and his performance. I would go ahead and put this complaint on the Coen Bros. website, but I really don't care that much about. Also, I'm not too sure you are sane by the way you write and I've also never heard the term "ass-hat" used since about the 19th century....or by the French. And I certainly hope I haven't wasted this much time talking to someone who is French.
Personally, I felt Marlon was hilarious in this movie, although others are entitled to their own opinion. I don't, however, see why this conversation needs to take a racist direction at all.
Any presence of a Wayans is guarantee to stink up any protion of a movie in which they appear, no matter how good or bad. Hollywood seems to love casting Marlon as trash (Requiem for a Dream), because I guess they can get him cheap and they must feel his skill level is up to par for such roles, but they can do SO much better.
Witness Jeffrey Wright's outstanding performances in The Manchurian Candidate, Angels in America, and Boycott--he could do any of the roles that have come Marlon's way, but maybe such a stinking role as this one was beneath him.
Unfortunately the success of In Living Color's first few seasons have turned out to be a curse on the entertainment industry and we have had to put up with the stinking Wayanses ever since, and probably will have to for years to come!
"You must be insane if you do disagree" : You actually said that?!?!? Well remember this T16(It's actually T15 but go on you NAZI---Hide!) and I quote the Immortal Bard G.Lucas: "ONLY A SITH(and stupid right-wing republicans)DEALS IN ABSOLUTES!"