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> You are either extremely dim or an argumentative troll (or both).

Call me all the names you want. I don't see anything racist about "waffle hut" and you have not explained. Nor do I accept your insults as a substitution for an explanation.

As I said, you owe me none of your time. However, the more energy you devote to NOT explaining yourself (and insulting and abusing instead) the more convinced I am that you CANNOT explain.

Sorry.

Holy crap GBD... you are, by far, the biggest troll I've seen online in quite a long time. Sadly, I don't think you mean to be.

Here is what nystulc originally said:

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While I cannot argue with a subjective lack of enjoyment, I wonder how anyone could objectively defend the charge that the film is "overtly racist". And do you mean it is "overtly racist" against blacks? Or against whites?

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He pretty much said he was clueless as to what was "overtly racist" in the movie. Your first reply was fine. His second reply was:

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What racial stereotypes? Please give specifics.

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There's NOTHING WRONG with asking for specifics. Guess what. Not everyone has the same experiences and life knowledge you have. Things that might be blatantly and mind-numbingly obvious to you might not be remotely obvious to someone else. Your very first response was to refuse to give specifics, and instead to basically call him stupid: "If you are familiar, at all, with various stereotyping, then you shouldn't even need to ask such a question."

Dunno what definition of troll that that doesn't qualify as. You basically said "if you're so stupid to ask, you wouldn't understand"

Let's look at EVERYTHING you said in response to nystulc's legitimate, simple, straightforward request for specifics:

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Is it your style to make direct and condescending, speculative accusations? If I "don't know what [I am] talking about", why would I post?

If you are familiar, at all, with various stereotyping, then you shouldn't even need to ask such a question. Think of the various scenes in which Wayans was of focus, from his employment to the waffle house to the attempted robbery. Consider several scenes and depictions of 'The General'. The film was chock full of them, so I find it rather difficult to understand how you are unable to find any.

Some films go overboard with stereotyping for the intent of humor. I presume that was the intent of the writers. But, again, if you are unable to even detect any of it, then the humor would have passed you by anyway.

I provided you with specific scenes from which one should be able to easily identify racial or cultural stereotyping...and not subtle ones. I have no control over your perceptions or know of your interracial experiences.

The observation of the stereotyping was never associated with a like or dislike of a character. I never said that I did not like the Wayans character, yet somehow you have drawn that conclusion. How you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me, but it suggests that you are someone who enjoys arguing and twisting words around to suit an argumentative and smug nature.

If it makes you feel better to think that I don't know what I'm talking about, then I'll be happy if you're happy.

My intent is not to be derogatory in any sense, but consider it 'tit for tat'. Early on, you essentially proclaim that I don't know what I'm talking about, if examples that you understand are not laid out for you. That does not really set the tone for a productive conversation.

I don't mind clearing things up if someone asks, but there are some things where specific examples are not going to make a difference. Honestly, if you cannot see the same as to what I consider blatant and glaringly obvious, it might simply be because you have not been exposed to it. Explaining specifics might not even make any sense to you. Case in point: The waffle house, itself, is stereotyping in many areas of the country. But, if you were not around that, you wouldn't catch it. Stereotyping doesn't have to be a person...it can be a setting, object, action, etc.

So, sorry I didn't give you the examples that you want, but as I said: if you didn't see it from the get-go, then you've probably not lived around it.

No victim. No wrong doing. My statements were observations (critiques) of the film. You've gone down a whole different path with this.

Many films use racial statements, actions, characters, etc. to invoke thought, anger or laughter. It's part of film. Sometimes it's over the top, sometimes it's overly cliche, sometimes it's done just right.

Picture a scene with two white boys sitting at a table. They pan over to a black man who is seen eating fried chicken. One thought in some minds might be "that could be racist". Pan away. Pan back, and he's now eating watermelon. "That's seeming awfully racist now." Pan away. Pan back, and maybe there's another stereotype being shown. At some point, it get's old ("we get the point") and repetitive...or too 'in your face'..hence my "blatant" comment.

Many of my west-coast friends are black from the South, and the Waffle House thing was spot on hilarious to them. Some people get it, some obviously don't. Throughout the film, particularly early on, there were many such references. Whether enjoyed or disliked, those scenes and references were put in there intentionally by the film makers. In my opinion, it was mostly to poke fun at stereotyping, but I found it overly done.

I was never offended by this film, nor felt pity for anyone who could have been offended. It's a movie, plain and simple. To me, these boards are for discussing the film and its qualities (or lack of). I'm not here to whine "oh woe is me...my feelings are hurt". Ugh.

You are either extremely dim or an argumentative troll (or both). The only wasted time is trying to explain any of this to you. It's like describing pharmacokinetics to a 5 year old. I "can" list several examples, but now I would expect nothing more than an "i don't get it" from you. If you analyze the crap out of everything, you're likely going to miss it. "The closer you look, the less you see." Sorry bro, but there's zero fun interacting with someone where punchlines or references need to be explained. If you don't see it, move on.

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Here's a list of the ACTUAL SPECIFIC EXAMPLES that you give:

-The waffle house, itself, is stereotyping in many areas of the country. (No explanation but it definitely is a specific example)
-various scenes in which Wayans was of focus, from his employment to the waffle house to the attempted robbery. (I know you THINK that's an example, but it's not... if it's so incredibly "obvious" and someone doesn't know/understand, then you have to explain it in minute detail... all you listed is "employment" and "attempted robbery"... how the heck are those racist stereotypes? [you'll note that the waffle house, an unexplained example, but an example nonetheless, is listed above]

Over 800 words being a condescending troll and one three-word specific example.

Next time, instead of being an arrogant, condescending troll, just treat him how you would treat a four year old who just said something horribly offensive and doesn't understand WHY it's unacceptable and wants to know why. Since you obviously can't discuss things like an adult...

Consider yourself fed.

nystulc... kudos on handling the troll with maturity for the most part. You're a better person than most.