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Retarded Movie Complaints Debunked Volume 1 (spoilers)


It's no secret that Hollywood can often be a wee bit doopid. But perhaps we as a moviegoing public aren't always as clever as we'd like to think we are either.

It is my aim to seek out the most moronic of well known movie complaints audiences collectively spat out and clarify exactly why they deserve a ticket to retardation station. First up: Signs.

FAMOUS COMPLAINT: If water is toxic to the aliens, why would they invade a planet that is 2 thirds water?

WHY IT MAKES NO SENSE: This I never heard the end of since the second I emerged from the cinema. The aliens weren't looking for a holiday vacation where they could sit by the pool with a pina colada and the latest John Grisham. They needed something. Possibly us or other living beings to harvest, or maybe a planet with an atmosphere that supports life because their's is dying.

Now our naysayers in the audience for some reason seem to be under the impression that the aliens had a huge choice. That they perused a massive array of potential planets like a box of Thorntons and exclaimed "That one! The one covered in poison!"

Well I don't know what your knowledge of the universe is, so I hope I'm not trampling on anyone's dreams here, but most planets are barren with no means of supporting any kind of life. In fact, apart from us, the amount of known planets with life on them totals a number roughly between 1 and minus 1.

So this is a compliant based on an awful lot of assumption. It assumes we know the alien's situation, that they're not desperate in any way. It assumes there is a huge amount of planets for the aliens to chose from and it even assumes that they have the technological capabilities to reach those planets. Considering a lot of movie plot points are convoluted and full of holes, it's shocking how much suspension of disbelief this criticism requires.

Now if Shyamalan went into detail explaining the aliens situation to us this would destroy the feel of the film. It's a film aiming for mystery and tension, not a complex Star Trek like analysis of alien life. The fact we don't know the motivation of the aliens is what makes them scarier. I don't want to hear all that kind of exposition anyway, I can work it out myself. To spell it out would insult the audience's intelligence.

If you didn't enjoy Signs, that's fine. But you don't need to come up with a dopey reason to justify that dislike. You just didn't like it. Reeelax.

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I think Shyamalan has been victim to a lot of bad luck over his career. I haven't seen the films that are truly hated, which I guess would be The Happening and The Last Airbender. So I couldn't really comment. But I really like The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. He is very good at creating a mood and atmosphere flavoured by an emotional tint that reflects the character's gloomy mood. Despite The Village's flaws it's hard to deny it has a well established tone.

As an example, compare the first episode of his tv show Wayward Pines, which he directed, to the rest of it, which he didn't. While watching it I didn't know it was directed by Shyamalan, but the atmosphere was very well crafted and seemed kind of familiar. So I looked up the director and it made sense. Watching the rest of the show, you could really feel his absence, it did seem like a step down.

I think Shyamalan's best route would be to make smaller, independent and more character driven films rather than big budget studio controlled films that expect a big twist and other thriller conventions. Though I haven't seen Split yet, but apparently it's very good, have you seen it?

And yeah, the aliens weren't the real story in Signs, it was about the family. Which is the case in many of his films. The Sixth Sense is about the bond between Willis and the kid and how they help each other to come to terms with their problems, let go and move on. The ghosts and twist are just window dressing. A lot of people seem to miss this and focus on the less important matters, searching for things things to find fault with.

And this is kind of the reason why I'm starting a thread like this. My aim is to comment on audiences rather than the films. There is plenty of criticism of films, but sometimes the blame doesn't lay entirely with what's on the screen.

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The only thing I didn't get with Signs are the deadpan performances. Why did Shyamalan want every single characters performance to be deadpan? No matter how many times I watch it, I can't get past that aspect of the movie. What am I missing (or not getting)?

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See this is a complaint that is a lot more subjective. It's not retarded, it's your opinion and perfectly fair. I do disagree with it, I think the performances reflect the mood and I like the mood. But this isn't a case of wrong or right. The water issue, I believe, is a completely different story.

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So you don't think that all the characters were written to be deadpan? Because to me, all I see are blank stares, unemotional dialogue, flat, no expressions on any of their faces. It's like they were all just reciting lines. Not actually trying to act like real people do. And I know that it's not the actors themselves. It's how they were told to be. I just don't understand why.

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It's been a very long time since I saw the film so I couldn't discuss the performances in any depth. I just remember that I didn't think the performances were as you describe. But my intent wasn't really to discuss the overall quality of Signs. I don't mind doing that, but I wouldn't be able to talk about things like acting particularly well because I haven't seen the film since it's cinema release. And as I said, I don't think your wrong, it's just your perception.

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Well if you ever revisit the movie, come on back to the thread. Since it's been so long, you might see it in a different way now after so many years have gone by. Would be interesting to discuss it further. 😊

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Will do

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Watching it again now for the 10th time or so and still, I think it's stupid the way MNS directed the participants to act. Seriously, the ONLY character in the entire film who acts straight (as in normal), is Officer Paski (Cherry Jones). And OCCASIONALLY Mel's Graham character acts normal, but most of the time, no. I expected a regular, creepy, serious alien invasion film. But now I get that wasn't MNS's intention. He was going for a quirky mystery/creepy/comedy/drama. And it just doesn't work for me. And yes, I get that the main theme of the movie is god and the signs he manifests and renewing lost faith and that the alien thing is secondary. But the movie is just annoying to me. The only reason I own it or watch it whenever I see it on TV is because I'm a Mel fan. But everytime I watch it, I'm always commenting how dumb it is. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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i was just about to ask why you keep watching it if it doesn't work for you , but you answered right at the end there. :)

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“God” and related pronouns like “His” are capitalized, speaking of cognitively challenged.

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No, that's only for people who actually believe in that fantasy. I don't so I do not capitalize it. I'm sorry your life is so miserable that the only joy you get is being an internet troll. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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To each their own. Some people might say it's stupid how Yorgos Lanthimos directs his actors but I personally find it to be a riveting style, even though none of those people are acting normal either.

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The creature looked like those old blurry photos of Bigfoot... the film was like an homage to old War of the Worlds, Day the Earth Stood Still type science fiction films... Spaceships are unlikely to be built from metal... they would most likely be transported by some scientific concept yet not understood by humans for any organic material to be moved intact at light speeds. In fact, organic material would probably be replaced by some more durable inorganic replacement... My point is that most science fiction is already so ridiculous that to nitpick certain points is silly because the whole thing is ridiculous to begin with. Sure it had a dumb ending, but it was a fun movie to watch.

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Interesting ideas about the space travel. Yeah, it's odd the kind of elements people will complain about while ignoring others.

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