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On the situation of the Rape scene

posted 18 years ago by LilacRose1821
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I'm finding it hard to believe some of the comments I've read to be coming from human beings. No one deserves to be raped. I agree with the fact that there was no rape, being that when both characters said No, and Stop they did, which in reality would not happen. I'm disgusted with the comments that stated that even if they didn't stop the two of them deserved it. No one can say they never made a stupid mistake and these girls did. So in short I don't believe there was a rape and for those who state that the two would have deserved it have serious issues and need to get a handle on them.

[–] oceanchick 15 years ago

i think the biggest issue is that the gal was ready to do 1 at a time, but not a double take.

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[–] johnathan-7 15 years ago

"when both characters said No, and Stop they did, which in reality would not happen."

I'm disgusted with that comment. In your "reality" are all men rapists? Or is it just ethnic men?

People like you disgust me.

[–] heartdiana 15 years ago

To Johnathan-7:

I believe she was referring to them being in gang, regardless of their ethnicity. Obviously by being part of a gang, their morals are warped and i agree that in real life, they wouldn't have stopped. I grew up near this area, mostly in South Central, and I know these types of guys have no qualms about rape. Doesn't matter if their hispanic, black, white, or purple.

To everyone else:

To the matter of if she was raped or not. This movie has bad editing, so I think that's why we are all confused. I saw it as she's willing to do the three guys and things go sour one she's being dp'ed. If could be of bad editing, but I saw some time pass before she started to protest. I believe that were trying to portray that she thought she could handle it (by earlier saying 'i want to do this...' like she was almost convincing herself) and maybe even thought she could handle both men in her the same time.

However, she is young, and having two men in you like that is harsh on a woman's body. Being still in high school (whether she's 18 or 17), doing something like a dp is not something that really happens, anal sex isn't really that popular at that age. I think that as soon as he was inside her and they both went at it, that's when she started to yell and freak out, obviously in pain since her body can't handle that.

Again, with the editing, I saw that they stopped before Allison came in, since Emily was spitting up on the side of the bed when she got to her. I don't view it as rape, since I saw them stop when she freaked out. She was probably traumatized and that's why she called rape on them.

And to the matter that they had it coming, no woman has that coming. Yes, they made poor judgement choices, but they are still in high school. To an outsider, you can see it coming, but when you are in the situation, you don't see as clearly. Nobody should have anything coming, that choice is up to the person who does the crime. You don't have to rape anybody, mug anybody, steal anything, etc. That choice is yours and yours alone.

[–] kairingler 15 years ago

yeah,, could have sworn i seen some dp going on when it was two on one

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[–] motel_k8 15 years ago

The reallllllllllll idea is that they are minors so either way it WAS rape!

[–] redhook4u 15 years ago

I am sure you find it hard to believe some of the comments - but you are a woman - right? Men are screwed when it comes to this topic and it IS a fine line.
I had friend accused of hitting his wife - I've known this guy for 20 years and can tell you for a fact that he would NEVER hit a woman - but he was guilty until proven innocent - in fact, this whole ordeal cost him 50K to fight...is that fair? All I am saying is that the girl was begging for the initiation - she validated it with "I am doing THIS!". Now, during the act of intercourse, when someone says stop - how quickly can someone back off before it is called RAPE? This girl learned a HARD lesson, but by no means was it rape. This whole topic is getting old in our society....I just feel that women don't have ANY accountability on this topic - even when they get caught lying about it, they get off without any repercussions.

RAPE is a horrible thing - no matter what anyone says or feels, it is WRONG. But lets trying to be fair in judging folks on this topic too....we are making it WAY too easy for people to cry wolf......THAT particular scene was consent and if you see it any other way, well, you are simply one of those folks that want to sue people for EVERYTHING....it's just old and tired.

[–] mpaige90 15 years ago

It wasnt rape.
but::

She was down for it being one at a time. But when the second guy came in she freaked. The fact that she was also intoxicated made it worse. She felt violated also they did consider rape. They werent exactly nice guys. They were pissed and didnt show any sort of remorse for pushing it to far.

but of course it wasnt rape, thats why anne hathaway told that girls parents. Screaming rape was wrong and anne knew it was going to get them into alot of trouble with the 16 street guys.

I think the girl felt like *beep* about herself and just needed to DO something.

I don't eat animals. =D Woo.

[–] Santoshjnu 15 years ago

i agree that no one deserves to be raped no matter how provocative one may behave. the men and women in question were drunk and agreed to something which they would have not in their senses. The men also were drunk but this does not dimnish the fact that they transgressed the meaning of sex, when they forced themselves on to the girl, who evidently in too much pain. This is not the definition of sex...

[–] alesisqs61 13 years ago

There was no rape, why is it being discussed?

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[–] Hopealways 9 years ago

This is a scene that totally divides opinions Some will say they knew what was going to happen and that they agreed to it as part if the initiation and others who say it was rape .
I've noticed a lot of people have a problem with the fact that anal sex took place but don't seem to mind the rest of it. Personally stop means just that but it's is a cloudy area and people are never going to agree straight down the board .

I was waiting for my hearse what came next was so much worse

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[–] pas-argenio 9 years ago

Yep, I'm with you (male speaking here, who has sisters, daughters, wife, mother, etc.). No one deserves rape and the reprehensible gang "initiation" for women deserves our revulsion -- which the film denies us: we are meant to feel empathy for Hector as Allison goes to lengths to persue a convoluted "justice".
I think it was rape, in that Emily was screaming "stop!"
And for those men who think forced anal penetration is no big deal, well you know where you can stick that opinion: as forcefully as you can, please! lol

[–] Hopealways 9 years ago

Totally agree , screaming stop means just that. Regardless of what she agreed to beforehand as soon as she said , well screamed sfop ,
He should have done just that .

I was waiting for my hearse what came next was so much worse

[–] Hopealways 9 years ago