Flash in Lex's body. Grodd discovers him
Grodd: I just had to see it for myself. Flash
Lex/Flash: Me, the Flash? You've totally lost it Grodd! I'm Lex Luthor!!
Grodd: and I'm Charlton Heston...DOLT!!
Priceless!
Im the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega
Some really good ones.
I am the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega
Batman when talking to Superman's tome. B: What was it you're always saying Clark? The never ending battle?
Supergirl attacking, fist raised. S: Well, there's always the low tech way!
The original 7 in a meeting. S: I have the Question on it. All members: Groan. F: Not that kook!
Batman falling. B: Batman to all points. I could use some air support. Since I can't fly...at all. Now would be good.
"They have a grill, it's this grill. Now you have it...it's called America."
Depends on my mood, but this one recently caught my attention anew:
'I've got some things to say... I should've said them when you were still here, but... Despite our differences, I have nothing but respect for you. I hope you knew... know that. You showed me that justice doesn't always have to come from the darkness'
-Batman, at the grave of Superman
This is how I'd prefer their relationship to be in the next movie. Mostly the frank acknowledgement that other people's less insane methods of crimefighting can be just as effective in the right places.
Maybe it's my age; but, I preferred their relationship before Frank Miller. They were colleagues, who recognized they were in the same fight. The animated series did a better job of the mutual respect aspect than the post-Miller comics did.
Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!
Maybe it's my age; but, I preferred their relationship before Frank Miller. They were colleagues, who recognized they were in the same fight. The animated series did a better job of the mutual respect aspect than the post-Miller comics did.
Dark Knight Returns worked, in that context, because he was older and had been through a lot of bad times, and things come to a head. It sort of made sense in Year One, as he was driven to start his war on crime. It's inbetween that he should have lightened up. A few writers tried to show him lightening up, when Robin came into the picture; but, others even made that darker. Really, I thought Darwyn Cooke handled it well, in New Frontier.
I agree though, everyone who tried to immitate Miller, afterwards, really made it worse. For my money, the Engelhart/Rogers run was one of the best interpretations of the character, and his relationship with an adult Robin. It also had a really good handle on the villains (including one of the best Joker stories, ever: "The Laughing Fish.")
Fortunately, Ah keep mah feathers numbered for just such an emergency!
I agree though, everyone who tried to immitate Miller, afterwards, really made it worse. For my money, the Engelhart/Rogers run was one of the best interpretations of the character, and his relationship with an adult Robin. It also had a really good handle on the villains (including one of the best Joker stories, ever: "The Laughing Fish.")
I agree. Miller had a political axe to grind and ground it on the head of Superman, and turned Batman into his grinder. Batman had already gotten dark after the end of the campy TV series when sales plummeted as the darker version restored comic book sales but, as you say, he wasn't the one-dimensional Superman-basher that Miller made him out to be and that Nolan, Goyer and Synder tried to imitate in the Batmediocre movies without even bothered to use Miller's device, called by some literary critics and English majors a plot. Then they had to go and turn Jonathan Kent and Clark Kent into brooding, emotionally incompetent characters too. I'm not even going to go see Batmediocre v. Stuporman. Somehow Greg Bertalini has managed to bring a combination of lightness and dark to his TV versions of DC superheroes (even if he went too light on the big screen with Green Lantern) and I was impressed with the inspiring nature of his Supergirl pilot, which I saw over the summer, and which doesn't really resemble most of the trashy trailers that CBS has been putting out for the show that make it seem like Kara's going to use her superpowers to try on outfits and different makeovers. (Spoiler--she doesn't.) Superman should be uplifting, not Miller's fascist thug and not Synder's angsty incompetent who lets his father die. If Berlanti's Supergirl pilot is any indication, Berlanti's going to end up having the must inspirational live-action Kryptonian this decade.
shareI actually read your comment the other day when reading someone's reply to my post on this thread, and saved the link so I could return and reply to you and the person who replied to you. Here's actually what I just wrote to the person to whom you were replying:
Timm inherited a Superman/Batman relationship left in tatters by Superman-hater frank Miller. I think Timm started, not quite at that low point, but with the premise that Batman feared Superman. Over time he had Batman grow to admire and respect Superman, which we finally see at the end of Starcrossed when Superman saves Batman from killing himself to destroy the hyperspace bypass. Superman rescues him at the last minute, and says, "Always have to be the hero, don't you?" Batman replies with a rare smile, "Right back at you." Later we'll see Batman stall Kalback at the end of Legacy long enough for Superman to come and defeat Kalbak, and in For the Man Who Has Everything, Batman has Wonder Woman stall Mongol long enough to free Superman from the Starro-inspired Black Mercy plant. So by the end of Justice League, Timm has taken their relationship from the Frank Miller sewer to something akin to the great, complex relationship we see in the Superman/Batman series that ran from 2003 to 2011. I have the first volume, and it's some of the best comic book material I've read in half a century.
Timm inherited a Superman/Batman relationship left in tatters by Superman-hater frank Miller. I think Timm started, not quite at that low point, but with the premise that Batman feared Superman. Over time he had Batman grow to admire and respect Superman, which we finally see at the end of Starcrossed when Superman saves Batman from killing himself to destroy the hyperspace bypass. Superman rescues him at the last minute, and says, "Always have to be the hero, don't you?" Batman replies with a rare smile, "Right back at you." Later we'll see Batman stall Kalback toward the start of Hereafter long enough for Superman to come and defeat Kalbak, and in For the Man Who Has Everything, Batman has Wonder Woman stall Mongol long enough to free Superman from the Starro-inspired Black Mercy plant. So by the end of Justice League, Timm has taken their relationship from the Frank Miller sewer to something akin to the great, complex relationship we see in the Superman/Batman series that ran from 2003 to 2011. I have the first volume, and it's some of the best comic book material I've read in half a century.
shareOver time he had Batman grow to admire and respect Superman, which we finally see at the end of Starcrossed when Superman saves Batman from killing himself to destroy the hyperspace bypass.
Yes, 7 episodes earlier, when faced with the disappearance and possible death of Superman, Batman first admits to himself how much he admires Superman. But it takes Superman saving Batman in Starcrossed for Batman to--sort of--admit it.
Do you recall, by the way, the episode in which Batman stalled Kalibak long enough for Superman to show up and finish him? I thought it was Legacy, but that can't be right since that's a Superman: TAS episode. I've looked around for it a bit, my computer is lagging and I need to reboot, plus I need I've been grading all night and need to get some sleep before I get up and tutor tonight. Thanks.
It's the episode we're talking about right now. "Hereafter." Lol.
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I thought it was in Hereafter II, but I haven't watched it for several years, and when I read the summary in the wiki, it mentioned the part where Superman returns to find Lobo making Kalibak say "uncle," so I wasn't sure if I still had the right episode. I imagine it must come later in the episode, but working 59 hours a week I just don't have time to pull it out right now.
Anyway I loved the way Timm squared the circle with the competing versions of the Superman/Batman relationship from the Silver Age on the one hand and Frank Miller on the other.
It's actually near the beginning of Hereafter Pt. 1, when the anti-Superman squad is causing havoc, before Superman is "killed."
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As, well the explains both why I thought it was in Hereafter but couldn't figure out how it came after Superman returns. Thanks!
shareNo problem.
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shareOk guys, back on subject. Gimme some quotes.
I am the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega
I'm not sure if you noticed it, but earlier in this sub-thread I wrote,
at the end of Starcrossed when Superman saves Batman from killing himself to destroy the hyperspace bypass. Superman rescues him at the last minute, and says, "Always have to be the hero, don't you?" Batman replies with a rare smile, "Right back at you."share
"Are you Bizzaro's mommy"?
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Legends episode
Green Lantern: It's nice working with you
Legends flash: You too. You're a credit to your people
Green Lantern: Uhh thanks....
I've mentioned before, but not on this thread, that I love the scene where Superman and Captain Atom duke it out. At first it looks like Atom could possibly win, but that's because Superman's holding back, and the harder Captain Atom hits Superman, the harder Superman hits him back until he goes down. Then Superman says something like, "You fought the good fight; stay down." It's very Supermanish of Superman to both pay Captain Atom a compliment and to now want to hurt him more. Of course Captain has to say, "I can't do that."
Later, after Superman puts Captain Atom out, and the government agents come to help him, Superman says something like, "Get away from him! He's Justice League! and picks up Captain Atom and flies off with him, ultimately taking him back to the Watchtower for healing. That sets the stage for later, after Superman and the other original JL members (in the show) surrender to the government (except for Batman) and Waller has Galatea attack the Watchtower, for Captain Atom to help Supergirl defeat her. Someone less noble would have left Atom behind (or killed him) but not Superman. Someone less noble than Captain Atom might have fled the first encounter, or having been defeated, allow Galatea to defeat Supergirl. Well done on both sides, and superbly written.
Okay, here's another great quotation from Justice League, from the episode "Twilight." Probably many of you already know which one I mean, but in case you don't, it's the final word of the following scene. I could tell you, but it's so much better heard at the end of the scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTg7ROPssc
Ooh, I completely forgot. There's an awesome little scene in the first episode of JLU where Green Arrow's trying to get back home and Captain Atom is flying the shuttle. Ollie leans forward and says something like, "Captain Atom, as in atomic energy?" Captain Atom gives him a stiff, politely insulting response, to the effect of "What do you think?" and Ollie says, "I think you're what I protested in college." I still get a laugh out of that.
shareThis has some of the best banter between JLA characters in the series. Batman, GL and Hawkgirl in the elevator. I almost lose it when Batman starts to list the Internet hate for Hawkgirl. There is so much good stuff in this clip. Priceless!
https://youtu.be/Ak533nC6tb8
I am the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega