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I liked this movie better when it was called "Rounders"


Young phenom in a game of chance played on a table with green felt.

Suffers a large loss, on or off the tables.

Gives up playing, much to the liking of his law-school student girlfriend.

Becomes a construction worker.

Realizes true calling.

Confrontation scene with law-school girlfriend about re-lapse into playing.

Confrontation scene includes discovery of "gangsta's roll" of cash.

Player defends himself, saying his is a game of skill, not luck, and it is his calling to play it.

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I could go on, but come on, this Poolhall Junkies movie is just doing a really, really bad Rounders impression, if you ask me.

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That is total bullcrap. Do we say that, "I liked Remember the Titans better when it was called Hoosiers."?

Poolhall Junkies is about pool.
Rounders is about pokers.
Yes the storyline has some symmetrical aspects, but if you are going to compare it to something, how about The Hustler or The Color of Money, two POOL HUSTLING MOVIES. Poolhall Junkies is NOT Rounders. A very well done film.

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A) The script was written 10 years ago

B) Who says that if someone does something first it must be better?

C) The biggest, most important difference between this movie and Rounders is that it's about pool and not poker. I'm a big fan of billiards and I thought that the movie was great. I loved the cameo by Mike Massey, anyone who thinks that any of the shots that they made were impossible or computer edited should watch this guy at work in Trick Shot Magic, it's truely unreal.

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I agree with that, these shots were all amazing, and all were really preformed. I love the movie. And if anything it was more like "gone in 60 seconds" than rounders. But who gives a S***, everyone steals from everyone now adays.

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i like both rounders and poolhall junkies, i do think that the lawyer gf's is a funny coincidence, there are some funny parallels, but i think the movies are mutually exclusive, he did quit pool because chaz p's character had *beep* him over

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hey i thought the same thing about rounders, the story has a lot of similarities,...but i like them both and it doesnt bother me.

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First let me say I loved both of these movies, and did indeed notice a few similarities. However, I would dispute a few of those points. While a very large part of poker is luck (a "dumb" player can hang in and river you on the only card in the deck that can save him and you've got nothing but your balls in your hand), I would say that there is a bit more skill to pool. I certainly wouldn't say that pool is a "a game of luck/chance."

In Rounders, Mike McD drove a truck; he wasn't a construction worker.

And I would also say that while he lost his girl temporarily and his brother got put in jail, I'd argue that the main character Johnny from Poolhall Junkies didn't really suffer any losses. Matt Damon's character lost everything and was truly on his last leg in Rounders.

If you want to call this movie an "impression" of anything, watch The Hustler. There are a couple of things Poolhall Junkies that came STRAIGHT out of that movie.

However, all things in the movies today aren't about originality; they're about storytelling. Back in the day there was a pretty popular writer called Virgil. Most all of his stuff was unoriginal, but he told the tales better than anyone else. The same goes for a guy named Geoffrey Chaucer. Almost all of his Canterbury Tales were taken straight from a guy named Boccaccio. Nine-tenths of the law seems to be presentation in storytelling. I think the guys behind Poolhall Junkies put together a few different stories pretty well, and if you're just going to call it an "impression" of something, try to credit all of the sources.

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For one there are only I think it's a total of 7 basic story outlines, all films and stories in existence use one of these 7 basic outlines and then elaborate on the characters and the conflicts the characters face so of course you will notice similarities amongst other films. That is simply a given.

One thing I disagree with though is what was stated about pool and poker being games of chance. Neither of the two are games of chance. Poker is about being able to read your opponents. If you know how to read pantomimes and you can in turn hide your own pantomimes you can play poker, the cards have very little to do with it. Saying Pool is a game of chance is like saying Golf is a game of chance. The main thing about pool much like Golf is your stroke, stance and follow through. Once you have those, everything that happens in your game is mental.

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Rounders was a great movie im knockin it but i dont think your givin Poolhall Junkies enough credit i felt it was a great movie even though it may have some similarities with other movies.

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As a poker player myself I have to agree with Gekko....there is a general rule that runs around the poker world. Luck only helps bad play, not good play.

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Let me just say that this whole "There are only 7 stories" idea is just wrong. And sad. And defeatist.

Look, if movies are supposed to evoke some feeling about life or are meant to be a commentary or are just stories of characters, and films have all this life to draw material from, how can you say there are only 7 plots? So, can you lead only one of 7 different lives as well?

There are millions of possibilities for films and for stories. Just because in this current day, films are getting quite formulaic or are heavily relying on stuff that's been done or sequels, doesn't mean creativity is dead. It's this kind of thinking that just upsets me, this attitude that "Well, nothing new can be done, so we might as well accept mediocrity." People believe this nonsense, then they go out and make Beethoven's Second or Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit. Please.

So, I would like you to outline the 7 movies you can make, and I will give you about 100 movies that are nothing like those 7. Just because love or whatever can be a universal theme doesn't mean "Lost in Translation" resembles "Eternal Sunshine" resembles "What's Love Got to Do With It?" because they all start with boy meets girl. Demand excellence and you will get it. Accept mediocrity and you will get it in spades.

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And your point is?

I liked "Rounders" better when it was called "The Hustler". As a matter of fact I liked "Star Wars" better when it was still good, but you don't see me raising a stink about it and being a dill hole. My point is this mon frere, there ain't a damn thing new under the sun so we may as well steal ideas from the right places... like "Rounders".

"In my younger and more vulnerable days I broke my leg while I was roller skating and had a ninety pound cast that went from my ankle all the way to my groin. Take a journey with me folks, and imagine having a ninety pound cast pull you off the John in mid defecation.... yeah, not a fun journey is it?"

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Amen. you said it. Walken is awesome. My rewind button is toast because of that lion speech.

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I noticed the similarities between Poolhall Junkies and Rounders and I often say Poolhall Junkies is Rounders in a billiard hall with Christopher Walken. But, despite that, I still enjoy the movie.

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any movie walken is in gets another star automatically just because of him

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ok let me just say rounders and poolhall are two of my all time favorites. and this dip sh*t is compairing them because they are played on green felt...come on bro get a job. do you think oceans 11 was an impression of snatch simply because the both involve steeling something and the guys in the movies were going after money. you my friend are a grade A retard. next you are gonna say that poolhall is an impression of the hustler just because they drink and shoot pool at the same time.

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with respect to the original poster, they do bear similarities, but its not like its illegal.
its just like 8 mile having the same basic plot outline as the karate kid:
young kid growing up in tough environment finds a passion
gets ass handed to him regularly by a group of jerks who seem better trained in same profession.
follows the guidance of a wise, well knowledged individual in said field (mekhi phfiepher and mister miyagi)
goes to a big tournament where he faces people from the other group, while on his own.
in the semi final he nearly loses (machio got injured, rabbit almost lost on the leave it to beaver insult)
doesnt have anything left for the final until his secret weapon is pointed out (how rabbit knows the guy will just insult him and his life so he does it himself, compared to the crane kick in the karate kid).
there you go, you think poolhall junkies is rounders? then consider 8 mile the rip off of karate kid, just keep in mind poolhall was written ten years ago, meaning rounders is its rip off.
either way i like all 4 movies.

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I agree with many of your points, but Allison Eastwood is a babe (checkout her Playboy appearance), Gretchen Mol is a bloated be-otch. Tara was angry but supportive, I mean they rode off "into the sunset" at the end, she didn't jump ship like Gretchen Mol's character who weakly tied to make nice before Mikey headed out to Vegas. Plus she didn't go snooping around his pockest to find the "gangsta roll", he just left it on the table. Both are good movies, but I hear you on the similarities, I was thinking many of the same thoughts this weekend when I saw Poolhall Junkies for the first time.

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