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Too much stupidity (spoilers)


I just saw this movie on AMC and although I had heard the physics was a "little soft" I had no idea it was this bad.

- satellites in geosynchronous orbit do not decay, ever, period. They stay there for thousands of years. Satellites in low-earth orbit do decay.

- the space shuttle is not capable of reaching geosynchronous altitude, ever, period. It's just as dumb as saying you can fly a 747 to the moon. The shuttle can only reach low-earth orbit.

- in order to fly to the moon from low earth orbit (which is as high as the shuttle can go) you need enough fuel to increase your speed by 3200 meters per second. A PAM doesn't have that. The Soviet missiles might, though, but they were only designed to deorbit and attack ground targets.

- How much O2 did Hawk have exactly? A trip to the moon takes about 3 days, unless you have a LOT more delta-V than 3200 m/s.

- Hawk clearly landed on the lunar surface before walking or crawling to his final resting place. Where did he get the fuel for this landing? Since when do the engines on a Soviet nuclear missile have restart capability? He would have crashed into the lunar surface at thousands of miles per hour.

- The shuttle's thermal tiles were clearly damaged by the debris strikes from Ikon. I realize this movie was made before the Columbia accident, so maybe we could let them slide.

- It was stated that the orbiter had only one remaining OMS engine working, and that fuel was leaking, so they might not be able to de-orbit. But NASA thought about that back in the 70s: the shuttle orbiter can de-orbit itself using RCS thrusters alone if it has to.

So now comes all the "it's only as movie" posts, and the "it's science fiction, so nothing has to make sense" posts. If you can really turn your brain off long enough to watch such nonsense, well, good for you. But keep in mind that when things are this wrong, it's like watching a movie about World War 2 and seeing soldiers using laser guns. If this was a distant future movie like Star Trek, then it gets more leeway. But this is a "today tech" movie.

I like my space movies the way I like my war movies and my history movies and my drama movies: at least halfway believable. It's obvious the makers didn't bother doing any research. [/rant]

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-At the final when the shuttle was entering stall during the flare, Corwin eased on the stick and the shuttle made a gentle touchdown... gliders won't work that way. A jet would pick up speed if it had powerful engines enough, and survive. However, there is no way for a shuttle to pick up speed at that situation, and with less angle of attack, it would've sank even more rapidly and hit the deck *real* hard, inevitably scrapping the airframe.

Gahhh, doesn't the Hollywood writers ever study this stuff!

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Next time watch the film using a media that doesn't edit for language, content, and, of course, advertising space. On AMC, 'My Dinner With Andre' looks like two hours of two guys having conversation over dinner in a restaurant.

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I see your points BUT...

it is classified as Action/Adventure, Comedy.

I could bi*** and complain about many things in Indiana Jones but I realize it's just supposed to be an entertaining movie.
I suppose there are certain facts that they could still get right though. Certain facts that don't need to be wrong except for the simple fact that whoever wrote the script didn't know what they were talking about. For that I agree with you. But then again, not everybody is a space expert and I don't think they have to be in order to write a fictional action/adventure movie about space. Key word being FICTIONAL!!!!

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I agree mate, there's a lot of things that don't quite add up

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1.) It's a sci-fi feel-good movie & not a documentary.

2.) We currently don't have the technology req'd to film this movie in outer space using full-sized, fully-working shuttles, satellite, devices, etc. that would satisfy every little detail.

3.) Well, the next time you direct/ produce a Hollywood sci-fi/ action film, don't be surprised if viewers complain about it inaccuracies & its violations of the laws of physics

4.) Don't sweat the petty things: try to effect the "willing suspension of disbelief" - beer helps!!! LOL

P.S. The only person in the family of my best friend from high school onward (who designed hand tools in Texas for use on the shuttles) whom I've never met: his sister who died aboard the Columbia space shuttle....

It's ALL about perspective & what really matters.

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"- How much O2 did Hawk have exactly? A trip to the moon takes about 3 days, unless you have a LOT more delta-V than 3200 m/s. "

- How do you know what he had?

The final scene could have been a vision by Frank too.

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No, the missiles would have been gone by the time he reached the Moon on account of him launching them into space away from Earth. What Hawk could have done is used the rcs thrusters on Ikon to slow himself down enough to survive the crash landing. By that point, the thrust to weight ratio would have been quite high since the missiles, the plating, and the comm section of the satellite are now gone. It's like taking a V8 Camaro and stripping the body off, leaving just everything needed to continue driving it.

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Doesn't matter, that part could've been Clint staring at the Moon - or, whatever... The problem is the rest of the movie, where they thought that having some technical capabilities to film it - being able to serve up some CGI garbage - warrants making the picture; while, in fact, it only made them -all- look like chumps. ;-/

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So now comes all the "it's only as movie" posts, and the "it's science fiction, so nothing has to make sense" posts. If you can really turn your brain off long enough to watch such nonsense, well, good for you. But keep in mind that when things are this wrong, it's like watching a movie about World War 2 and seeing soldiers using laser guns. If this was a distant future movie like Star Trek, then it gets more leeway. But this is a "today tech" movie.
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I think if you were to poll 100 people on the street and ask them "Did WW2 soldiers use laser guns", you would find very few who seriously answered yes. Meanwhile, if you asked these same 100 people "How much oxygen do you need to last a trip to the moon", I doubt that the majority would give an accurate answer.

So I don't see your comparison as being in any way realistic. Sure, you have the right to be incensed by any inaccuracies. Just remember though, the film was made as a light-hearted piece of entertainment for the average viewer and not for a space science buff.

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