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Too much stupidity (spoilers)


I just saw this movie on AMC and although I had heard the physics was a "little soft" I had no idea it was this bad.

- satellites in geosynchronous orbit do not decay, ever, period. They stay there for thousands of years. Satellites in low-earth orbit do decay.

- the space shuttle is not capable of reaching geosynchronous altitude, ever, period. It's just as dumb as saying you can fly a 747 to the moon. The shuttle can only reach low-earth orbit.

- in order to fly to the moon from low earth orbit (which is as high as the shuttle can go) you need enough fuel to increase your speed by 3200 meters per second. A PAM doesn't have that. The Soviet missiles might, though, but they were only designed to deorbit and attack ground targets.

- How much O2 did Hawk have exactly? A trip to the moon takes about 3 days, unless you have a LOT more delta-V than 3200 m/s.

- Hawk clearly landed on the lunar surface before walking or crawling to his final resting place. Where did he get the fuel for this landing? Since when do the engines on a Soviet nuclear missile have restart capability? He would have crashed into the lunar surface at thousands of miles per hour.

- The shuttle's thermal tiles were clearly damaged by the debris strikes from Ikon. I realize this movie was made before the Columbia accident, so maybe we could let them slide.

- It was stated that the orbiter had only one remaining OMS engine working, and that fuel was leaking, so they might not be able to de-orbit. But NASA thought about that back in the 70s: the shuttle orbiter can de-orbit itself using RCS thrusters alone if it has to.

So now comes all the "it's only as movie" posts, and the "it's science fiction, so nothing has to make sense" posts. If you can really turn your brain off long enough to watch such nonsense, well, good for you. But keep in mind that when things are this wrong, it's like watching a movie about World War 2 and seeing soldiers using laser guns. If this was a distant future movie like Star Trek, then it gets more leeway. But this is a "today tech" movie.

I like my space movies the way I like my war movies and my history movies and my drama movies: at least halfway believable. It's obvious the makers didn't bother doing any research. [/rant]

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It's not a documentary made by a reputable documentarian. It's a fantasy movie based on fictional characters and events. Physics be damned!

In other news, now matter what technique they practice or who their master is, real Kung Fu fighters cannot fly around like Superman. Colt Peacemakers run out of bullets after a maximum of six shots are fired. And being bitten by a genetically-altered spider is more likely to cause you to swell up and die a horrible, lingering death than to become New York's favorite superhero.

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I agree with some of the OP's points, though. My personal favorite was how surprised everyone was to see how big Ikon was. What the hell, do you mean to tell me they sent them up to fix the damn thing without them ever seeing a picture of it? C'mon...that's crap. Ditto Hawk's miraculous trip to the moon. He wouldn't have enough oxygen, and even if he did, he wouldn't have enough water. The rockets don't decelerate, so when they hit the moon he'd be pulverized. Yes, I know it makes a more "romantic" ending this way, but it's kinda silly.

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He had enough water and oxygen for 1 day, but it lasted him 8.

I wasn't here for the nerdiness, I was busy intercoursing a female.

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I know it's an old post but I will reply anyways.

The simple fact that you called it "intercourse" instead of he non-nerd way of saying it which would be "sex" shows that you were here for the nerdiness.

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Also, a WWII movie with laser guns would be BA

I wasn't here for the nerdiness, I was busy intercoursing a female.

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of course this is a space fantasy movie...i just wish, as you do, that some of it wasnt quite so obvious. the goofs are just as bad, like Frank coming out to get in his jetpack, but leaves the airlock door open. no tether, no hand over hand to get to it, just flies over. then, when Jerry comes out, he is opening a closed door! automatic door closer, like at a market?

dont get me started. but i love this movie- "Grumpy Old Men Go To SpaceCamp"! ^_^

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Too much stupidity, you've said it well. The movie started as a sort of parody of 'The Right Stuff' and similar movies. I liked that. If the entire flick had been shot in the same tone, I wouldn't be complaining about the glaring plot-holes and the amazing number of incongruencies that this movie has.
But no, they decided to add a layer of 'seriousness' to this film (something that it didn't need it). They included a trite romance story, a tragedy (Hawk's having cancer), plus lame action sequences and ludicrous stuff as Hawk landing on the moon. C'mon!

BTW Who was in charge of the casting? Clint himself? I am asking this because Tommy Lee Jones could be the son of James Garner! He was way too young to be "believable" as an "old-fart".

Mediocre flick. One of Eastwood's lesser works.

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Sounds in space is what annoys me the most.

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Sounds in space is what annoys me the most.


Then hit the mute button when they're outside.

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Better still, go into space. At least we won't hear your yammering.

It is a movie. Name one movie - any one - that got absolutely every technicality, historical fact or anything else 100% accurate. 'Cos I can tell you now - there's no such beast.

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I like how they handled the sound issue in Kubrick's 2001. They used the sound of breathing and classical music. Kubrick avoided the sound traveling through vacuum elegantly. It also enhanced the movie's sense of thrill and claustrophobia, i think.

- "Better still, go into space. At least we won't hear your yammering."

Except in a Hollywood movie you would hear my yammering i space sparkling clear.

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Better still, go into space. At least we won't hear your yammering.

It is a movie. Name one movie - any one - that got absolutely every technicality, historical fact or anything else 100% accurate. 'Cos I can tell you now - there's no such beast.


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The OP wasn't asking for 100% accuracy, he was asking for the movie to be half-way believable. And why do people keep calling this movie a fantasy?

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1. why do they have station keeping rockets or ion gens?
2. they didn't need to as Ikon had come down a long way from 22,000 miles. They were supposed to send it back on its way not go back with it.
3. true
4. o2 tanks on Ikon.
5. sutherland said ikon missiles would go bingo long b4 lunar incursion. they ran out and ikon entered lunar orbit on a horiz traj w/surface. semi-hard landing. moon only 1/6 earth grav.
6. ikon debris looked like it took out a few top side tiles not underside shield tiles like w/columbia.
7. but they made it by the seat of their pants. that was the point of ripe stuff.

they did a fair job i enjoyed it...

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Realizing that fictional movies are not bound by our universe's laws of physics is not the same as shutting your brain off. There's only a problem with a fictional movie's science if it contradicts itself. It doesn't matter how realistic looking a movie might be, if it's fictional, they have the creative liberty to allow whatever fictional science they want, they have the freedom to disregard our universe's laws of physics entirely. Just because a movie may look like it's representing our universe does not make it the case, and therefore they're allowed the liberties to be as accurate or as inaccurate as they want to be in comparison to real world science.

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