Not a good movie for math people
I love math and saw this movie hoping for the best. Unfortunately, this movie's plot is very unrealistic for the mathematical thinker.
shareI love math and saw this movie hoping for the best. Unfortunately, this movie's plot is very unrealistic for the mathematical thinker.
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I'm majoring in computer science and doing quite a lot of math
my father majored in math, and works as a statistician (pretty appropriate for this movie)
we saw the movie together, and both liked it, a lot
Do you know what suspension of disbelief is? Doesn't seem like it. I have a theory about these threads, where people say, "I'm a physicist, so I hated Moon for not depicting realistic lunar gravity." You're pathetic, attention seeking nutcases, who just want a chance to say "I'm a physics person," or "I'm a math person." By making these claims, you somehow reinforce in yourself a feeling of superiority. You are able to see through the movie, unlike the ignorant saps around you.
If you can't suspend your disbelief, stop watching movies
I absolutely absolutely agree.
That son of a b*itch stole my line.
Are you always this mean and intolerant or are you just having a bad day?
shareAt the same time a movie has to earn that suspension of disbelief on the part of the viewer.
Someone once wrote about the "One Gimme Rule". Essentially, the audience will go along with you with a "crazy" thing once, but only once. After that the filmmakers have to stick to their own established rules and keep the story sensible.
For example, at the get go, I accepted that Blade Runner was set in a radically advanced 2019 where we people can build powerful artificial humans . However, I had trouble accepting that Rick Deckard could be such a supposedly skilled, veteran Blade Runner ("the best"). How could he have survived for so long when he is depicted as being so weak and incompetent against the Replicants in the movie?
There are a lot of important things about Blade Runner, but it's not perfect.
In E.T. the Gimme was that an Alien can land in a kid's back yard and befriend him. Watching the movie as an adult, the parts where ET does his magic routine - flying on a bike in the sky - completely throws me out of the film. Bad storytelling. Spielberg should have known better, even with a kiddie flick.
It is the filmmakers' job to earn our suspension of disbelief, it is not automatic on the viewers' part.
That being said, I love Pi and do not have trouble suspending my disbelief when watching it. Then again I am not a Math person.
Interesting thread. I have one reply to make to evildead167, on the subject of "Blade Runner," to his statement, "However, I had trouble accepting that Rick Deckard could be such a supposedly skilled, veteran Blade Runner ("the best"). How could he have survived for so long when he is depicted as being so weak and incompetent against the Replicants in the movie?"
If it helps suspend your disbelief, try considering that Deckard's experience doesn't entail Replicants loose on Earth itself, mingling in human society.
E.T. and Blade Runner are definitely notorious for their failures, amirite?
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Rick Deckard IS a Replicant. Also, he's not weak and incompetent, it's just that the particular replicants shown in Blade Runner are particularly strong. And yet Rick still "defeats" all but one of them.
I agree with the concept of "one gimme rule". However, your argument against E.T. doesn't hold up logically; since E.T. is an alien the filmmakers are pretty much allowed to do whatever with him.
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YES! Amen Brotha! I usually dont get involved in these faceless idiotic threads - but this response was noteworthy.
Thank you, horrorshowmovie, for showing how pathetic others can look when they post some real crap... faceless turds.
You're talking about your own post? Because it's real crap and it makes you look like a faceless turd - just like this *beep* movie.
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I bow down to your comment.
I also liked the movie.
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I don't know about that math wasn't my best subject but I have a friend who is really good at math and it's his favorite movie
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i also love math and had a hard time dealing with this one,, i like the references to Euclid, and Fibernacci, no references to Albert Einstein though,, i understand 3.1415 and so on,, i get that,, the Hebrew stuff and Wall St.. not so sure abuot that,, can anyone recommend something more interesting,, besides Young Einstein.
are you going to bark all day little doggie,, or are you going to bite
I disagree. I find this movie very interesting. John Nash (beautiful mind guy) I believe was very fond of this film.
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yeah, requiem for a dream was not a good film for people who like drugs
If anyone out there is watching/has watched the entire top 250, please could you PM me.
Hi, I'm Cesar and I am watching all 250 imdb movies. I have seen half of them mostly 2000s 90s and 80s.
I am very into indie, foreign and began old ones like the fraduate or ordinary people.
here is a list of great foreign movies I have watched.
I would like to have contact
my top 10
1. city of God
2. The life of others
3. Amelie
4. Oldboy
5. Pan's Labyrinth
6. Internal Affairs
7. Hable con ella
8. My Sassy Girl
9. the life is beautiful
10. 9 queens
More excellent films (no hollywood, mostly 90s 2000s)
children Of Heaven
Tsotsi
todo sobre tu madre
tesis
Lucia y el Sexo
mar adentro
The divine Bell and The Butterfly
dogville
la haine
Red
Lola Run Lola
the downfall
la vida es bella (life is beautiful)
The best of youth
il postino
soon's room
malena
8 1/2
cinema Paradiso
science of sleep
Man without a past
Kolya
vals I am Bashir
4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
No land's man
dancer in the dark
Hot buzz
tha transpointting
a clockwork orange
love actually
brazil
Eastern Promises
full monthy
Shaun of the Dead
Trainspotting
28 days later
notes of a scandal
the queen
nobody knows
Mononoke Hime
spirited away
Tae Guk Gi: The Brotherhood of War
memories of murder
audition
lady revenge
Sympahy for Mr. vengance
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Kung fu hustle
Hero
the last emperaror
kung fu hustle
2046
children of heaven
offside
slumdog millionaire
Lantana
diarios de motocicleta
la noche de los lapices
carandiru
central station
bus 174
maria full of Grace
la estrategia del caracol
paraiso travel
y tu mama tambien
amores perros
the piano teacher
the barbarian invasion
it was definately a great math movie for me,, i love numbers, had a math teacher in 4th grade who inspired me
are you going to bark all day little doggie,, or are you going to bite
"i like the references to Euclid, and Fibernacci"
It's Fibonacci.
Einstein was not a great mathematician for your information. All his complex math was borrowed from others. Asking the right questions and using imagination to solve physical problems were his biggest strengths. Then again, so was his humility.
My body's a cage, it's been used and abused...and I...LIKE IT!!
He derived e = mc^2 along with a ton of other things that require complex math
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As most physicists do, he mostly used other peoples math. Einstein famously admitted that he never would have discovered the theory of relativity if it were not for some of the great mathematicians that had come before him. Einstein was good at math for sure, but not great, this is well known.
Biologists defer to chemists. Chemists defer to physicists. Physicists defer to mathematicians. Mathematicians defer only to God - Famous old saying in science circles
"The relativity principle in connection with the basic Maxwellian equations demands that the mass should be a direct measure of the energy contained in a body; light transfers mass. With radium there should be a noticeable diminution of mass. The idea is amusing and enticing; but whether the Almighty is laughing at it and is leading me up the garden path -- that I cannot know." -Albert Einstein
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -Albert Einstein
"Since the mathematicians have invaded the theory of relativity, I do not understand it myself anymore." -Albert Einstein
My body's a cage, it's been used and abused...and I...LIKE IT!!
Einstein??? LOL. This is like a person screaming Beckham when someone says soccer or Pong when someone shouts computer games. Einstein wasn't the greatest mathematician ever. He wasn't even the greatest physicist. His greatest achievement is the one nobody remembers (Not E=MC2) it's actually to do with Planks constant and the lander of light in relation to wave-particle duality.
At the end of the day you aren't going to find a profound movie which has amazing math, why? Because people whom are good with numbers are normally bad with words. Those good at science can rarely tell a story. As for the "Gimme" rule... How stupid. Like one guy said, it is a suspension of disbelief. You miss the point, like with Bladerunner. Maybe you should use your imagination to imagine up reasons why.
As for attacking E.T. Yeah sure, no excuse... Except you bitch on here and he has millions of dollars, is famous and well-respected and also could buy your life several times over... But you make yourself feel better about the fact you have a cr@p life.
This guy is right. The math was certainly a large part of the movie, but you've clearly missed the point. It would be like not liking Pulp Fiction because you're a theologian and you noticed that Jules' quote isn't a direct quote from the Bible.
shareYeah, I had similar problems....the math here seemed really simplistic. I mean, yeah, he was dealing with a complex concept, but the math here was like the so-called "cool math," i.e., math for hipsters. Reminded me of the book PopCo...a lot.
Technically I liked this movie...a lot. The visuals were great, but the end left me cold.
Personally, I think I have too much bloom. Maybe that's the trouble with me.
I know exactly what you mean! Until recently I was a gifted genius recluse living in a world devoid of all human contact and emotion thanks to my obsession with my own thoughts and finding order and meaning in the chaos, I've recently drilled a tumour out of my brain and realised I am surrounded by simple, elegant beauty.
The film was a big disappointment, not enough chess.
How come?
I mean explain why it was unrealistic etc (Not being funny, i just think that you should pinpoint where the problems were, and someone can try and give you there opinion)
I'm not very good at Math but i, as it appears others have too, found the concept very good and left myself very open minded to the ideas.
Visually and technically i thought it was really good, as i find most his his films.
He has a different technique not only in directing, but also writing and i think it's fresh.
To put it another way, i'm not a fan of nouvelle vague but i understand why it's so important.
ffs. what next, "I dont like star wars as warp speed engines on such a non aerodynamis ship as the millenium falcon would not be possible"
get a grip. it was very good thriller with a far more thought provoking subject matter than most films
it never claimed to be the holder of any groundbreaking math secrets
hardly in the da vinci code's league of misinformation now is it! :)
There was a mention to Archimedes folly. Taking a step back and somehow the answer to your problems will come to you. The guy with the stroke! This movie is not about math, it's about life.
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I agree with russcarlin. I hate statements made to appear factual but have no supporting...facts.
By the way, this movie sucks if your shoe size is bellow 5 in US men's.
Math people love this movie. I saw this movie in 1999. It has been a while! I do not remember the references to Euclid. I only barely remember any mention of Fibonacci's work. Perhaps you took the inclusion out of context? This movie was not about solving a theorem. The movie was about genius and insanity dancing in juxtaposition of their antithetical, yet propinquitous, writhing glory.
shareExactly, the point was not the solution of a rigirously defined complex problem.
I believe I know math(actually this is a very flawed argument) at an advanced level now and I still like this movie a lot.
Wow. That's a mouthful.
I liked it because it's the best depiction of a migraine headache I've ever seen and I have migraines.
I thought the juxtaposition of pain and genius was brilliant.
I know nothing about mathematics, except we'd still be living in caves and tossing rocks at each other if everyone was as math handicapped as me.
I wish I could appreciate it for the math. Really.
But I do love the movie.
"As the Philosopher Jagger said, you can't always get what you want."
A little verbose but exactly right...
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it is unrealistic to me too, I couldn't make sense of the movie actually. what about so much the number pi, this is one number among infinetely many irrational numbers. this is what dedekind proved.
If you think that this movie is about the number pi, then I truly hope that your commenting privileges are revoked indefinitely.
sharewhat it was about then ? i still don't know what that movie was about, another hypothesis i held in my mind was that it was about a junkie who dreamed about some significance in pi in his life, which is of course pathetic
shareThe film is most definitely not about pi. It is about genius and insanity as a previous commenter said. It's just a lot easier to make a film about insanity and genius when the subject is a mathematician because most people see math as such an impenetrable thing, it gives him an air of genius for most people from the offset.
Also, the relationship between maths and insanity is certainly one worth looking into for a film maker, as there are lots of good examples of very, very clever people losing themselves in the abstraction and superficial absurdity of mathematics (e.g. Cantor, Nash, Godel). The fact that everyone has heard of pi, just gives the film an accessible edge so people feel less intimidated. That's how I interpreted it all anyway.
My whole point is that this is a film for art people. For those scientists, engineers, and mathematicians out there it is unenjoyable. Why would this be important to point out? Because this film looks as it may be a sci-fi/math movie, and it turns out it is the complete opposite.
If you are an art person, thats fine. I understand there are some math people out there who also enjoy artsy stuff like this. But from my experience most do not.
nealyboy,
I think that what confuses the rest of us about your statement is your general argument (and now your presupposing bit). Your sweeping generalizations are too much. For example: "For those scientists, engineers, and mathematicians out there it is unenjoyable."
Well, con gustos no hay nada escrito. Different strokes for different folks. Those are maxims in many cultures, for a reason.
I am an engineer. Are you a "math person?" All of my colleagues who saw the movie enjoyed it. Perhaps you should have said, anyone who presupposes too much about this movie may be misled. Then again, people who judge books by their covers are dingdongs anyway, no? I do not know anyone who turns to Hollywood for mathematical stimulation. Do you?
If you did not like the movie, then that is obviously your right. If you care to explain why, I am curious to know. But, please, enough of the generalizations.
ogidok,
I think my previous post summed it up fairly well:
This movie was not about solving a theorem. The movie was about genius and insanity dancing in juxtaposition of their antithetical, yet propinquitous, writhing glory.
if you want a film about maths, go watch open university.
It was never supposed to be a lecture. It's like historians didn't read the Da Vinci code for exam preperation.
Well, I am an resonably intelligent guy, decidedly interested i certain fringes and very into chaos wanted to be tamed into order. I find the akmost mystical inherent powers in certain complex series.
Enough about me. L really liked this film. I liked the BW, I liked the premiss, that PI could in someways forsee the growth or decline in the stockexcange.
In other words, I really liked PI.
Other math films would include Good Will Hunting, and ocfourse A Beautiful Mind, and to some extent Rainman (that is grasping though)
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I'm a civil engineer with major in mathematical modeling. The statement u made about the movie being not appropiate for math people is pure ignorance. The goal of the movie is not to crack the code of the stock market. But is a psychological thriller, about a mathematician going mad. Nothing else. So don't mix scientific fact with movie entertainment. If u want some hardcore math, then read some scientific journals instead of watching a movie and think you will learn math from it lol.