Seriously. I mean I understand that the marketing for Treasure Planet wasn't the grandest, but I was expecting better ratings and such. I love this movie and Atlantis: The Lost Empire so much. Lots of depth, development, thought provoking feelings, etc. I personally dislike Disney, but I adore Treasure Planet/Atantis; two of the most underrated Disney films. Is it because these films lack stupid humor and wack ass CGI? I love how Treasure Planet actually carries a genuine ambiance, unlike so many other Disney films. Do people not appreciate that anymore? I guess it's just me, because I remember watching this when I was younger and still carrying good lessons from it. -shrugs-
but, oooh wait, what do I know? I'm just a 16-year-old girl, not a important critic!
Oh yeah, the other day I was adding Ron Clements as a like on my Facebook, and of all the films I saw being discussed on the wallposts, a girl was downing TP, it still blows me mind. What's wrong with Treasure Planet!?
agreed. This movie is a gem. Ill mention it to people these days and they will either have never heard of it or they remember and say they didnt really like it. Im like wtf?
This movie was sooo terribly underrated. I practically had to force my parents to buy it (mind you, they had no problem snapping up 101 Dalmatians II...).
Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.
The movie isn't terrible, but if you want me to I could probably list why people don't like it. I'm not going to lie, it has some pretty annoying issues. It isn't terrible, it just isn't great.
I thought I was in the Twilight Zone at seeing people act as though absolutely no sore thumbs about this film were indeed responsible for it not being "the best thing ever" at the time, and the more anyone compares it to being almost up there with The Lion King, the more I want to scream.
This movie is decent. It just didn't equate to Disney extraordinaire, and for me, that was the actual story-telling package, something the Lion King richly balanced. Haste for pace does not make an okay movie a great one, and it doesn't make the characters fleshed; it makes it feel like it's just a plaform the characters are on with "ham-fisted," or ham-handed "depth." I have seen Disney tell a story about its characters much better. Atlantis, for me, had better character development and depth-portrayal without occasionally cutting it too short or too half-baked to make room for the plot.
Treasure Planet deserved better writers.
That's it.
It has great MOMENTS.
It's just not a great MOVIE.
Something being "worse" makes it "better than that," not great by itself. The production book is outstanding, because it goes into its entire universe, like how it came to be, how the home-planets operate, and, last but not least, the shaping minds of the characters.
The movie is just a bit half-assed in that department.
It's the problem that will arise when you try to remake a tale, that's more about treasure-hunting than its characters, "too deep" in regards to its "action-hijacked" cast, along with creating such a beautiful fantasy world without any given details on it whatsoever unless it's a skate-over. The Treasure Planet universe, as said by its production book, is ruled by a human queen with over one hundred united planets under something called The Intergalatic Space Union, I think. Who could know that by watching the movie?
That and, unless Jim was on his solar-surfer or doing something neat, everyone around Jim stood out more than Jim himself, because Jim's grand exploits, and what happens to Jim both in past and present, are far more engaging than "Jim." Once the adventure started you really had no reason to care about him, and the writers seemed to further this by side-stepping him most of the time; that or his lack of personality presence did this.
I have an issue with movies where the main person can not carry the movie like his attention-stealing acquaintances, unless said character has help from their "Bad Past," "cool looks," or "cool tricks." Had Jim not been molded to fit the attractive facial charms of Joseph Gordon Levitt [aside from quite a few animation bloopers regarding Jim's sometimes lopsided face], I don't think I would've cared too long about him. He's hot first and "sorta kinda has a personality" later, which is saddening, because his character theme was quite rich and original for the Disney genre.
Yes, he has a great setpoint of qualities and great potential as a character, but I feel like the movie didn't express it properly to even break the surface of what could've made his *actual presence* as brilliantly done or powerful as Tarzan, Mulan, Brother Bear, Bambi, Simba, Ariel, Stitch, Lilo, Balto, etc. And it's always been a sore loss for me that I actually have genuine grief for, because I relate to him symbolically more than any of the Disney Princesses. I knew exactly what they were trying to get at with Jim but they never got at it without sort of half assing it.
As an executed character he failed, but in idea Jim was victorious, and the same goes for Treasure Planet.
Thank you for posting that because I didn't feel like spending the time to write a similar message and I knew I would have to watch the movie again to make a comment first. The issue I had with the movie was the lack of character development (like you said) and the fact that Jim's relationship with Silver was created with on montage isn't character development at all but is simply a way to IMPLY that character development occurred but in truth none did.
Yes, you are very welcome. I felt it had to be said.
In truth, I am a huge fan of this franchise due to reading it's splendid production book, and the driving inspirations pushed behind it [Catcher in the Rye and James Dean's "Rebel Without a Cause"].
However, even I am able to see the finished product's downfalls that actually did cost the movie its quality for where it was going with the title theme [which was beyond "Treasure Island"], and for some reason, every time I hear someone amp it up in, "PPL ARE IDIOTS FOR NOT SEEING IT'S THE BEST! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT DID BADLY! IT MUST BE MARKETING!" [and this is becoming WAY more popular of an opinion as time has gone on] it makes me want to focus on explaining those faults a lot more, which gives the impression that I hate the movie.
"but is simply a way to IMPLY that character development occurred but in truth none did."
Agreed.
I got the point of their relationship and where it was going, but I was unable to experience the meaningful time-span between them as they had, or get any real "pull" from it. I was unable to "be there with the characters" at that hasty, "here you go, audience" presentation. All I got was that it was cute. But cute isn't deep. Even less so when it's trying super hard to be. "Disney caricatures everything. All reality and sincerity is completely gone by the time the movie is finished."
Basically the montage was presented in a manner that is suitable for TV show series, not films. That's why it registered as lazy. Other Disney films actually go through the motions. This did not. If you're going to go "deep" don't compromise on elements just to hurry up and get it to the Treasure Island basics.
Even when the montage featured a very important glimpse of Jim's childhood, I felt nothing, which is quite odd, because my childhood is hysterically identical to everything in that one scene of final, and physical, abandonment from his father. I was the "Daddy issues" misfit and/or "misunderstood hellraiser" in my fifteen year old persona, so that's probably why I wanted so badly for this to work, and was, at first, very delighted to see Disney explore this father link that connects the dots in most "emotionally" stranded kids who don't "feel good enough" in most avenues of their life, thus live off the tracks by the means of "free-wheeling instability" being their platform for stability.
I also agree. This movie was surprisingly good. It isn't the best Disney movie, but it is not the worst, actually it is one of the better Disney movies of this past decade I feel with Home on the Range being the worst(also my vote for the worst Disney movie). This is an example of a movie where it is worth watching for the visuals alone, seriously I thought the animation was beautiful here. Even my dad liked it, and he can be very hard to please.
"Life after death is as improbable as sex after marriage"- Madeline Kahn(CLUE, 1985)
Yeah, this movie is one of my favourites. It's certainly nowhere near Aladdin or the Lion King, but it is still very good and MUCH better than those that came after it i.e. Home on the Range, Chicken Little...
What I love most of all in Treasure Planet though, is the music. It's AMAZING. James Newton Howard is one of the best composers out there, and I also love the music he did for Atlantis and Dinosaur. Epic stuff.
I have to agree, it is pretty underrated, but I don't really think it was because people thought it was a BAD movie. As I recall, this movie came out sometime around Thanksgiving, right? I also remember hearing from someone that a couple other big-blockbuster movies came out around the same time as Treasure Planet. With this combination, plus the lack of publicity it got (although it could just be me not able to remember that far back, I was only in second grade haha) could have been what led to the movie's lack of enthusiasm. If it had been released a month before or a couple months after its original release date, TP might be as popular as Atlantis and get more movie airings on Disney channel.
All that aside, I LOVE this movie. Of all the 2D animated movies that came out in the early 2000s (Sinbad, Spirit, Home on the Range, etc.) I think Treasure Planet would have to be my favorite.
This movie really is great. I think that since most people have really never heard of it they look at it and assume that it was some cheap-as-hell direct to DVD Disney crap when it really is a quality animated film. They never even give it a chance or have preconceived ideas on it because it isn't "popular."
It sucks for all those people, though.
BUT I was happy to see it on the shelf at COSTCO the other day. Like, it isn't forgotten, somehow.
Exactly my thoughts! I think TP is one of the best Disney films ever, maybe even on par with Lion King. It tells a very complex and intelligent story and it did not deserve the bad reviews and and the low ratings it got.
Pointless to throw in another agreement, but it's so true...this poor movie rocks and has never really been given a chance to become a beloved classic. I admit that even I almost let it get by me without appreciating it--but then again, it IS Disney and it IS animated, so odds are that at some point I was going to see the thing! Anyway, once I finally did, I was highly impressed and fell in love with it. So disappointing that it never received the love it deserves.
I feel like Disney somehow lost its audience just as they hit their stride. Hercules, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and Treasure Planet. All gems. But it was around this same time that they seemed to be getting unpopular. What's the problem?!?! The innovation was there, the technology, the humor, wit; the stories were great, not relying on pathetic love relationships, and even then, making the relationships less. . . predictable, I suppose. I mean, I love the movie How to Train Your Dragon, but even that movie's love story (small as it was) was a little bland and trite.
I think the only reason this film did badly was abysmal lack of publicity. I would have taken my children to see it at the cinema but never even heard of it till it was out on video. We bought the video, I and my children loved it, so much so that for 5 months they watched it every weekend and we all still watch it regularly as a family. Very few films stand up to so many repeat viewings.
Ok, I remember seeing this movie in the theater. Will I did give props to the animation and setting, I was actually bored to death with the story. And I wasn't the only one. The only laughter or emotion I heard from the audience was when the mother was tickling the boy in the beginning. Beyond that, this felt like the "Avatar" dilema today...in which the production just took Treasure Island and added it in space. I knew what was going to happen and it just didn't sink in no matter how "alien"like they made the characters.