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I'm convinced that 99% of people who comment on this movie have never watched it


How anyone could possibly take a message of anti-racism away from this film is insane. I mean you have the little bit of completely shoehorned "B-but don't be racist, it's bad" at the end which doesn't fit with the flow of the movie at all. Other than that, it's literally nothing but unprovoked black on white violence beginning to end.

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Are you trying to say that this film was an attack on anti-white narratives in pop culture but disguised as a "don't be racist life is too short" film in order to dupe leftist audiences?

It seems to me that it follows the standard plot of "white man who is racist see's the error of his ways". This type of film has been done a million times. That's basically what it amounts to. Danny's murder at the end is shown in a way to be a consequence of his older brother Derek's influence and actions, I don't think it's supposed to be a commentary on the levels of black on white violence.

What's interesting is that the film does try to show the white side in a sympathetic light. I liked the scene at the beginning where Danny is on the boardwalk and says "this used to be a good area until the minority gangs moved in". Yeah, I think everyone is starting to relate to this more as "diversity" is pushed on every white town and city.

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Thats a whole lotta rhetoric and buzzwords there . I lost you after "anti-white narratives"

I interpreted the OP as "This film is a skinheads wet dream about beating up minorities with a moral message tacked on the end as an afterthought to mitigate critics and mainstream audience criticism"

yeah i guess that agrees with your "don't be racist life is too short" film in order to dupe leftist audiences

but doesent that imply that rightists think life isnt too short to be racist?



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Danny's murder wasn't because of his older brother's influence. It was because Danny defended a white kid being bullied by a bunch of 'those people'.

Either the message is pro-racist or it's "Blacks are just going to attack you, goy. Deal with it."

And if you know anything about Tony Kaye, you know it's the latter.

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Danny's murder wasn't because of his older brother's influence. It was because Danny defended a white kid


Yes I know, but I'm looking at it through a leftist's eyes which is that any violence meted out on white people by minorities has to be because white people are at fault first.

To give you an example, anytime there's an islamic terrorist rampage in europe with innocent people being butchered on the street with machetes, you get left wing people on social media saying "shouldn't have colonized them/bombed their countries".

I assumed that's what they intended at the end with Danny's murder, that he was punished for Derek being a neo nazi. Hollywood is very left leaning with the exception of all the action heroes.

And if you know anything about Tony Kaye, you know it's the latter


That would be interesting if true.

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How can you NOT take a message of anti-racism from the film?
The entire movie is a moral diatribe on how racism destroys communities. Look at Edward Norton's performance alone. You think he was trying to depict NeoNazi's as something good , or admirable? Did YOU even watch the movie?

Did you even see the ending?? How all his neo-nazism just ends up getting his own brother killed?
That was kind of the whole point of the movie... How can you not take that in consideration? It's practically the most important scene in the movie.

I am 99% convinced that you didn't even WATCH the whole movie.

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It wasn't his racism that got his brother killed. It was the groid who he fended off from attacking a poor white kid earlier in the film lacked the impulse control to *NOT* shoot him in a public bathroom.

Racism in and of itself had nothing to do with being attacked. The racism was always just a reaction to POC behavior.

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This movie is a favorite in skinhead and Neo-Nazi crowds. This board was a den of white supremacism on IMDb. To claim this movie is not a glorification of the White Aryan Resistance is specious at best.

The weak anti-racist message is thrown out to appease the liberal majority. But Danny's death justifies the racism in the end.

I'm really shocked this film was ever made. It's a gem of originality.

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This movie is a favorite in skinhead and Neo-Nazi crowds


I'd imagine so. Other far right efforts like 'This Is England' and 'Romper Stomper' sucked balls. This film is very well written, acted and directed. I'm sure even minorities love it.

But Danny's death justifies the racism in the end.


Having read the imdb trivia, it says an alternate ending that was filmed shows Derek shaving his head in the mirror in response to Danny's murder. That would've been a great conclusion.

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I actually believe that was the original ending. They changed it to add the obligatory anti-racism message.

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The anti-racism message is a more happy ending for audiences I think, so I can see why they went with it.

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