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They should BAN future tourist sub excursions to the Titanic wreck


After all, it is technically a graveyard, and as of now, the risk is too great of another tragedy like this happening.

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Yeah, I wondered myself why they allow TOURIST trips to the wreck...

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Lol. Allow?

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it is international waters, who would enforce this so called ban?

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There's always a bigger fish

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Exactly

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It's nothing to do with the legality or enforcement, it's a case of who would risk their lives like this, since there have now been casualties, so who else would choose to go after this tragedy?

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I get what you mean, but the risk for the individual to decide. People die climbing Mt Everest, yet there are those who choose to try. People have died trying to go to space, but that shouldn't stop those who wish to take the risk. People have died skydiving, paragliding, and bungee jumping, but there are still those who accept that risk. People have crashed and died in their Cessnas, but we shouldn't be banning them.

It's all tragic, but the risk is always understood by those involved.

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I forgot about Mt Everest: yeah, that must be a right massive graveyard, with all manner of permafrosted corpses all over the place! Have fun!

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Like I said, if it's not for you and the risk is too great, cool.

But let others do as they wish.

A "ban" is telling them what they can and cannot do.

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Let me ask you a fair question:

People have died in commercial airline crashes. Should we then ban commercial planes because of those tragedies? There are other ways to travel afterall...

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No, since it'd be silly to ban transportation.

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What's the difference between a tourist in a sub and a tourist in a plane crash?

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Not many tourists are in subs, for one thing :)

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Sure.... but I don't see how that's a pro-ban distinction.

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Yes. Is it possible to ban or regulate activity in international waters???

Although I believe that the demand for trips down there has suddenly dropped. It will be a while before another company gives it a try.

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But it is possible to have a regulatory body similar to FAA to certify commercial watercraft like that, but that is a major cost for small scale operations.

Currently there are only classification agencies.

Court filings and industry letters from 2018, along with OceanGate’s own website, reveal how the company was warned by employees and external experts that the Titan should undertake rigorous testing and assessments or run the risk of potentially “catastrophic” problems during its expeditions.

However, in a 2019 blog titled “Why Isn’t Titan Classed?”, OceanGate argued that traditional certification, which is usually done through classification agencies such as the American Bureau of Shipping or Norwegian firm DNV-GL, could hold the company back. Instead, the company insisted its own safety testing and risk assessments were sufficient.

“When OceanGate was founded, the goal was to pursue the highest reasonable level of innovation in the design and operation of manned submersibles,” the company wrote.

“Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation.”

Source: https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/titanic-expedition-company-ignored-calls-to-certify-submersible-amid-safety-fears-20230622-p5digy.html

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There is a SUBSAFE program operated by US navy, because "From 1915 to 1963, the United States Navy lost 16 submarines to non-combat-related causes. Since SUBSAFE began in 1963, only one submarine", but I don't think it applies to commercial watercraft.

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.. the risk is too great of another tragedy like this happening.


There is risk, yes, but the risk is for those who dare to explore to accept or decline. You want to have them post a search and rescue bond to pay for expenses related to their expedition? Fine - I'm OK with that.

People die every year trying to climb Mt. Everest, and they all understand the risk when they dare.

But the whole "graveyard" thing is crap. People have been examining shipwrecks, catacombs, pyramids, etc forever. It's human nature to explore and learn.

Besides, no one who died on the Titanic is still there.

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Just posted almost this exact sentiment.

I also think there should be some liability on whatever company is behind the engineering and construction of the craft.

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I also think there should be some liability on whatever company is behind the engineering and construction of the craft.


Agree, but I don't know how ironclad those waivers they require are.

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I agree

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They definitely should. Not even just because it's in poor taste but rather the location. It's at the bottom of the ocean for fucks sake. Best for nobody to personally be going way down there.

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Some people live for thrills sadly.

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In the four days since this submarine disappeared, about 400 people have died in car crashes in the U.S. alone. We can end that slaughter by going back to pre-automobile travel speeds of under 20 miles per hour.

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^^that^^

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There are tours at a lot of graveyards and people visit the graves of celebrities all the time.

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I thought of this earlier today. Graveyard tours tend to be MUCH SAFER than Titanic sub tours.

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I will bet you that more people have been killed on the way to a graveyard on land than the number killed on the way to visit the remains of the Titanic.

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Hmmm, Mount Everest is also a graveyard, as well as most of Europe thanks to World War II and the Great War, and everything else around it. Some people live for the thrill, let 'em do it I say.

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I don't really see the "thrill" of those Mount Everest climbs tbh. The footage of them all standing single file in a long stretching line waiting to have their shot on the top is ridiculous.

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/15689/production/_107098678_mediaitem107098677.jpg

It's probably the fact that Everest is like that now which dives some of these chaps elsewhere - like the Titanic - to seek out a more authentic experience.

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