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Why do the English worry about accents?


Can someone from England please explain why speech and accent are an issue in England? I am American who lived in the Midlands for three years in the late sixties. I heard it a number of times from different people that they were worried about their accent. Those folks indicated that they wish they could speak like the "news person on the TV. It seems like they were worried that they would be deemed as being "low" class.

As Americans, we have a lot of different accents. We may remark that a person has a Southern, New England, or maybe a Brooklyn accent, but we generally don't think any less of the person. I am not trying to insult anyone, but it was just something I noticed while living there.

Again, I am not trying to insult anyone and I am not trying to say Americans speak better.

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Speaking of accents, as an Australian I find it bloody hard to understand what they're saying half the time. Which is strange, because we are British descendents ourselves.

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What's ironic is that I have never had difficulty understanding an American accent, yet I do with many UK accents. As an Australian, you'd think the connection would be stronger with the "mother" country, and yet I have a harder time understanding you people than I do Americans.

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I think the prejudice with Accents in Britain is down to two things. 1. the lack of variety when it comes to TV, it always seems to be mainly a Mancunian, Essex/ Kent or a posh accent. And 2.How TV portrays areas of Britain Like-

All southerners are sophisticated gangsters, wheeler dealers, bankers, car dealers, professionals etc. Southerners always portrayed as living in more middle class/ upper class areas, unless they are black Southerners which means they are portrayed as only ever coming from areas of high crime and high rise flats.

Northerners are lowly gangsters, drug dealers, unemployed, car thieves or poor manual labourers who work in grimy factories. They are always portrayed as living in run down working class areas, lots of terraced houses.

As for Midlanders, they are very, very rarely represented on TV but if they are they are portrayed as a bit thick and always come from/ live in Birmingham.

The Scottish are drunks, violent and live in run down areas or live in a sleepy fishing village and are very friendly and The Irish are always happy, funny, cheeky, flirty, always up for a drink and also come mainly from sleepy fishing villages which are extremely friendly.

I also blame the England tourist board as they only ever seem to promote England as being no bigger than the area inside the M25. So you can’t really blame the majority of Americans for thinking everyone in England talks with a Cockney geeza accent.

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@MisterZed: that's amusing. When I watch BBCA, I have to keep the closed captioning on for shows like Luther, Law & Order UK, Bedlam, Being Human, and such because so much of the dialogue is in dialect or colloquial language. Sometimes it's because I don't quite catch something because of the accent, sometimes it's a slang term that Americans don't use. Sometimes I even keep my laptop nearby with a Brit-slang website open.

I have Aussie friends that I see only occasionally (because we live halfway around the world from each other), and when we're together, the bulk of our conversations is often staring blankly at one another and saying, huh? There are times when we repeat ourselves 2 or 3 times, and then "translate" what we said into some version of English that we all understand. We constantly mock each other for having accents :) I feel like I'm learning a new language - now I know what POMs are and that all of them get knackered but only about half of them have knackers.

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Yeah, to be knackered means to be tired, as in knackers yard where horses go when they reach a certain age.

There's also pis ss ed in British English which means drunk rather than American English which means angry which is pi ss ed off in BE.

See if you struggle with any of these accents from the UK and Ireland...

London(Cockney)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3KFyNCCu8o

Birmingham(Brummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U2UaEGWq2E

Bolton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5vSHiAOAE

Manchester(Manc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1QUk9asJGE

Liverpool(Scouser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zvSs4ZS6Tc

Newcastle(Geordie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUpz_mL7zqU&feature=relmfu

Glasgow(Glaswegian)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvOQxeQKrdw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmx9McZh5xo

Carmarthen, Wales
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktCGnIW0JOQ

Belfast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW0xbYOCTeU

Dublin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMvCLfkMhao&feature=related

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I am a Southern American with an accent and I worry that people will think I'm dumb. I'm pretty sure that is a common stereotype in this country. It's not like I can change the accent though; sometimes I can cover it up for short periods of time but it makes me uncomfortable.

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Unfortunately I think Southerners in the US are stigmatized for their accent. The assumption is automatically that anyone with a heavy Southern accent is an uneducated hick. I had a friend from TN who made a conscious effort to cover her accent while she was in DC. I myself am from ND/MN, and I do have a slight accent that comes out from time to time, but I also cover it as well in DC where I live now. I also don't want to come off as an uneducated hick, which I think is what people think when they hear someone speaking the English I grew up with. It's much the same prejudice as the Southern accent I think.



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I had a friend who lived in New Orleans (I lost track of her after Hurricane Katrina - posted on craigslist and got a few replies from people who legitimately knew her but didn't know what happened to her) whose "accent" wasn't just in the way she pronounced words. A "dialect" may be different from a "standard" language in all 5 major components of language (phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics, and pragmatics). When my friend visited NYC, oh-my-gosh, she stuck out like a sore thumb - the same way I did when I was in Louisiana. New Yorkers are ALWAYS in a rush - the light turns green, you dash across the street. Actually, in NY, why wait til the light is green, just go when you can dash between the cars. Oh, to hell with the cars - let them avoid you and don't bother looking at the traffic while you're risking your life crossing the street on foot. My friend walked sooooooooo s-l-o-w-l-y it took us nearly a full minute to get across a typical Manhattan avenue. That, plus her Southern, gentle, slow-paced, softspoken speech just drove me nuts.

I think there is definitely an impression in the Northeast that Southerners are "slow," and unfortunately, "slow" often translates to "less intelligent." It's not a fair assessment - we just all have to accept that our styles are different, right?

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In my experience the stigma attached to regional English accents works both ways. I am from Yorkshire and am middle-class. However, I don't have a typical Yorkshire accent and never have had. My accent can probably be described as a modern Received Pronunciation - not posh like the Queen etc. but vaguely southern and a little non-specific.

Throughout my childhood I had to put up with nasty little gits taunting me about my accent and asking "Why do you talk posh, eh?" I didn't 'talk posh' I simply didn't have a Yorkshire accent like they had.

I have found that often not only is it assumed that I am 'posh' (whatever the hell that means) but also that I am a rich snob and that I am looking down on them because, with their Yorkshire accents, I must find think that they are stupid and worthless. None of this is true and I wish there were some way of convincing them that I am not the loathesome, status-driven, pampered creature they make me out to be. I have attempted this at times by speaking in a real 'posh' accent to show them the difference but they didn't seem to be able to hear it. I refuse to change my accent to broad Yorshire just to appease them.

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Ooooh! Hark at mr la-di-bloody-dah!
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Only kidding, the trouble is people think of stereotypes even when thinking of their own region and expect people from that region to speak accordingly. The very fact you don't affects them obviously more than it does you.

How does the man who drives the Snowplough get to work?

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The USA has many extremely strange and varied accents. You almost never hear the accents of Wisconsin or Minnesota or Vermont, or Maine, etc in movies because it is just not pleasant to hear and who makes movies up there anyway?

When a Vermont character is onscreen they always make sure they have that accent from there. The same for the South. But the US South has dozens of variations. LA sounds French, Georgia is dripping with honey, TExas and Oklahoma are drawls, and the rest of the south is just very slow and a basic southern.

I have always wondered what Southerners sounded like as far back as the Civil War...?

The problem in todays US is most of us are hearing other accents in movies or tv, that are FAKE----- by actors who have no clue what the accent really sounds like. Why not just hire a southern actor or a British or Aussie actor?

Think of how people screw up GErman accents. OMG.

As for Central Texas, you almost never hear the true Texas drawl anymore because California has invaded Austin and the surrounding area. So everything has changed. But in movies we still have to endure that fake drawl.

And what about a Brooklyn or Queens accent? Holy Buckets, it is different from anything anywhere in the world! So there you have it, US accents in a nutshell.

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I am not a native English speaker, but I learned it pretty early, still learning.

I do hope there is something like official English that most would speak and hear without problem; in most case, American English is commonly used and deemed international one, so when I teach my students, I use American English, not British English or any dialects of it. Accents should not be biased, but if others can't barely understand or catch up with, it might not be a bad idea trying to speak with "generally accepted one" for easier understanding.

This film is a UK movie, and the actors here use accent of that area, it is natural thing, despite it could create difficulty for those don't use that accent.

Languages should be treated equally for their values, but reality is always the priority.

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Some countries use American English and some use British English depending on their foreign policy, history and neighbours; South Korea is American English and Hong Kong is British English.

The American accent came about because people were trying to remove the regional anomalies that occur in British English as they were trying to come up with a standardised form. 'library' vs 'lib'ry'.

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Yes it is a throwback to the class system which is still deeply embedded in the U.K. Psyche . Not only is there still snobbery in this country - but also inverse snobbery which i have never got my head around . There is a tribal element also .

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I beg to differ on the accents not being judged. Add a little Spanish accent, or have a person say axe instead of ask and people will automatically assume the person was not born here or is uneducated.

We do worry about accents.

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Can someone from England please explain why speech and accent are an issue in England? I am American who lived in the Midlands for three years in the late sixties. I heard it a number of times from different people that they were worried about their accent.


So, you lived in a small part of England for a very small amount of time and have come to this conclusion?

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