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Very disturbing elitist/racist sub-text


The film seems to imply that only the old-money blue-blood WASP has what it takes to survive the harsh elements, and that the black man and the self-made working-class guy do not.

I'm very surprised to see this message from one of America's pre-eminent Jewish play-writers but perhaps it is indicative of David Mamet's sad transition from a politically-moderate writer to a reactionary conservative. It is also more representative of a more controversial proposition, that Jews who were once demonised and treated along with other ethnic minorities as social outcasts and thus gravitated towards progressive left-wing causes like the civil rights movement, feminism and socialism in general, are now more likely to be, alongside the old-money WASPs, part of the 1% conservative elite, preaching Islamophobia, neo-liberalism and right-wing Zionism (and to be clear, I am a Zionist, who staunchly believes in the importance of the state of Israel, I'm just not a right-wing pro-Netanyahu one). Mamet's sympathy for the old-money WASPs over the less powerful and privileged characters is sadly representative of that betrayal of the progressive Jewish movements that preceded his generation.

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What a pseudo-intellectual idiot you are.

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good phrase!
theres sooo many of those posting bullshit these days

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"These days"

The OP made their post 8 years ago...

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I know.
it was a thing then
its even more of a thing now.

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The black dude died cuz his character wasn't needed anymore

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The black dude died because he was a un-read city-boy

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Gee wiz, you deduce all of that just b\c a black dude gets killed by a bear? Sounds like you are wanting to see an agenda where none exists. America Jews are conservative? Lol they support liberal Democratic causes w\o fail!

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that Jews who were once demonised and treated along with other ethnic minorities as social outcasts and thus gravitated towards progressive left-wing causes like the civil rights movement, feminism and socialism in general, are now more likely to be, alongside the old-money WASPs,


it is one of many inversions of facts the OP (who has a series of anti Semitic posts elsewhere) makes.

The actual data on voting preference as well as campaign support shows American Jews are more Democrat oriented than ever.

And mamet had zero race designation in the script at all. The part in the script is not African American or Caucasian. That was the casting director.

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The OP is very much *AGIANST* anti-Semitism.

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The only one I see being racist and reacting to stereotypes here is you, pathetic tool that you are.

Get the facts first - you can distort them later!

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You posting is no less than four strawman arguments and three red herrings in one run-on graph. The message of your post is that rationality ought to be required study now a days. It certainly would have help you avoid making a foolish and factual post

The character is NOT written as an African American in the script. And Mamet had zero to do with that actor's casting.

And you anti-Semitism becomes apparent when the fact that you did not look at the script or facts of casting before launching your screed.



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the wasp gave the black guy a mouth to mouth life kiss, it can't get more socialist than that.

i mostly will not be able to answer your reply, since marissa mayer hacked my email, no notification

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Jews who were once demonised and treated along with other ethnic minorities as social outcasts and thus gravitated towards progressive left-wing causes like the civil rights movement, feminism and socialism in general,

That's when the left was progressive, now it represents the regressive puritanism exhibited by your post. Good for the Jews and anyone else who has turned their back on the social justice warriors, self-loathing losers and anti-liberals that populate the modern left.

Charles Morse is a self-made billionaire, that you refuse to see that reveals your prejudice.

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Where does it imply that Charles Moore was self-made? And why did Baldwin's character keep needling him about his wealth and privileged status if it was all a result of hard graft and talent?

And why is it so good that people who once defined themselves by progressive politics and sympathy, empathy even, with the most discriminated and vulnerable have turned their back on such causes. It strikes me as the 'I'm alright Jack'/pull up the ladder up behind you type attitude, which is something we often see with third/fourth-generation immigrants whenever a new wave of immigrants try to enter a wealthy Western country like the US (see the Mexicans) or the UK/Europe (see the Syrians and other African/Middle Eastern refugees).

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How many black outdoorsmen can you name?

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