Are you chasing Amy?
Or have you?
I certainly have.
"I'm the one who should be ashamed. I don't understand my own soul."
Or have you?
I certainly have.
"I'm the one who should be ashamed. I don't understand my own soul."
I've chased Amy, but has since given up realising she wasn't the right one.
My partner describes me as 'his Amy', I made him chase me a few years before I finally realised how much I loved him.
Chasing Lauren here.
So stupid. I'd seen the movie many times and although I felt I got it and loved it I never saw myself in that situation. Even with my eyes wide open, enough to think of the movie and try to watch it with my GF to try and explain myself to her (we fell asleep without finishing it) I walked into that trap and screwed things beyond repair.
It's not one to one with the movie but it's close enough that I want to slap myself. When we got together she was really shy and seemed so inexperienced she was so damned cute even when we slept together and didn't have sex I didn't mind. When we finally progressed to sex she was hung up so much and took so much effort it felt like she was virginal. At the same time she told me about sleeping with her former teacher. That was the start of the head trip. Her friends called her a slut (jokingly) and she was so closed mouthed about her past, mostly because of a judgemental controlling ex. Basically she let bits slip and I built up an image of what she was like but the dissonance between what she was like with me and what I was hearing about her was making me so insecure and paranoid. She was a girl of so many contradictions. If she'd been a straight up slut or done whatever i think I could have dealt with it if I understood. The secrecy combined with me trying not to be "that guy" just ate me up.
I tried to explain where I was coming from (hence the movie) but didn't do a good job in part because I wasn't entirely honest about it. She couldn't understand why what had happened in her past mattered and that it was who she was with me that counted. I was worried that what she was hiding was so bad, that if she was hiding this from me what else she was hiding. It seems all so silly and unimportant now. She loved me, wanted to be with me and made me happy, that should have been enough!
I pushed it. Kept needling and asking things trying to get explanations and basically being a complete dick. I can remember the point I broke it. One night on the phone I asked her straight out how many guys she'd slept with and she just went all quiet. I think now it was mostly I'd come over too much like her ex. I stayed with her the day after and could tell she didn't want me. I felt like *beep* and was so scared of losing her. The amount of alcohol drunk didn't help and when we went to her Auntie's 50th the next day and she was still cold I felt it was over. She said she wasn't well (she was on her period at the time) but when she met her friend and cheered up it just confirmed it was me. I got more wasted to cope and then started an argument with her over her friend (who had a bf) flirting heavily with a guy. Basically said if she thought that was acceptable i couldn't be with her. Then, later, I tried to reconcile and she pushed me away I shouted that I was "DONE" really loudly. It would have been better if it hadn't been infront of her friends and family, especially when I was staying with her and had no way to get home...
Biggest mistake of my life. 4 months on and she still hates me. Basically ignores me and treats me like *beep* I love her. I know I didn't appreciate what I had and it kills me. I've been with so many women since and not one even begins to hold a candle and I can't help but feel i've destroyed my chance at happiness. I'm a broken person, wiser and more mature but everything feels empty. While I feel that now i'm the person I needed to be for her or to be in a proper long-term relationship it's a waste because what was the point in being like this when the one person I want and it would be worthwhile for is lost to me.
:( Sorry, bud.
shareYes, I'm chasing Amy, but I'm very self-aware, so I haven't called her any stupid names like Silent Bob did or otherwise gotten carried away. So she's still there.
I'm still tormented by what I know about her past. The revelations came much too early, when we were still living in a very beautiful dream together.
At the same time, I don't understand why it matters so much to me. It shouldn't. But it just does. I've come up with dozens of different ideas about why I'm so hurt but I can't tell which is right.
Maybe it's a biological thing, but then why do many other men seem able to deal with it? And why have the norms for this kind of thing moved so far, and why have my limits moved since I was younger? Or is it just about my own insecurity? Then why can't I, or seemingly anyone else in these threads, just learn to cope?
I'm seeing her in a few hours and I need an attitude that will bring me onwards. Optimism. Confidence. Faith!
I'd appreciate any encouragement or advice.
Hey, it's clearly been over half a year, but I'd like to hear if anything worked out for you. Reading this thread is depressing as hell, knowing they all messed up years ago and it will never be okay.
I sort of chased Amy in 3 different ways, with 3 different girls, none of it was too painful though. Keep in mind I'm not even 19 yet so none of this happened too long ago, nor was I too mature at the time.
One was when I found out my first girlfriend (I was young at the time), who was also my first kiss, had her first kiss while drunk at some party years earlier, with a stranger whose name she never got to know. Bothered me for a little while, but it's just a kiss so I moved passed it once I grew some common sense. As of this day, we're still together.
Another is my high school crush. She was pretty much the perfect girl to me and it regularly tore me up just thinking of her, fortunately bothering me less and less as time went on. Back then she always seemed to me as some kind of inconceivable miracle, as if I couldn't even dream of being with her. I was madly in love with her for about 2 years, especially the first since we were in the same class and went to a lot of the same parties. It ate me up so much that I felt I had to actually confess my love to her, keeping a cheesy a$$ holywood speech in the back of my mind. While I'm now glad that I never went that delusionally cringe worthy path, I do feel a lot more romantically/sexually confident now that I have some experience, and I regret never having taken any iniative due to some misplaced inferiority complex. But I'm happy with my current gf so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
The third is probably the least ordinary (I'm not much of a storyteller) and most related to the movie. There was this Santa Claus party every Christmas at our neighbours home, and their whole family as well as a few of their neighbours (including me) were invited. One of their relatives was some niece of them, who I saw once a year and I had kind of a crush on (this was a really young age so I still mostly thought girls were "lame"). I saw her once a year, every year and I didn't think too much of it. Then our neighbours stopped giving the annual party and I didn't see her for years. Fast forward to about 5 years later, when I was invited to our neighbours 20 year anniversary party and I saw her again. Goddamn, she became hot over those years I hadn't seen her. I was basically getting wasted on alcohol from an open bar (I was only 16) and flirting with her. I wasn't even part of the family so it was kind of inappropriate. After about 2 hours of that I was considering making a move (which was a pretty big deal to me since I'd never kissed anyone before that moment) when I found out I was a lesbian. No wonder her parents had been giving me funny looks throughout the night.
So yeah that's my rather tame life story. If anyone in this thread still lives, feel free to give an update, I'm curious.
The story about your current girlfriend is the only one I think relates to the complex outlined in the movie. The rift between the dream image you've built up of the girl you're with and the fantasy image of her in the past. I'm sure it's the dream that's the problem. If we took our women for what they are, we'd have none of these problems.
I built up a powerful dream image of my woman, and even though it lasted only weeks, those weeks were so intense and so magical as to annul anything I had lived hitherto. I was 29 but I felt that everything I had previously thought was love had been mere shades compared to this. I'm still trying to recover from those few weeks 9 months ago.
Perhaps because I'm relatively inexperienced and seem to suffer from an inferiority complex towards "tough guys" and confident/outgoing men in general, I dreamed her up in my mind as sexually skeptical and reserved, with no passion for dominant men or casual sex. When she revealed to me that she had been in a BDSM relationship, as the slave, and that her master in that relationship was her best friend now, the whole dream crackled.
I was left with the person in front of me - who still had the face, voice, smell and glow of that same dream - and a monstrous truth which meant that the dream was dead; that the person I had dreamed up - and with whom I believed to have spent these the best weeks of my life - did not exist.
Then I suffered a panic attack and I shut her out for the first time. She was hurt and didn't understand. In her view, her past relationship was of no greater relevance to our relationship than her travel stories or her childhood passions might be.
That was the initial shock which I posted about in October. In the days following my panic attack, I resolved to keep fighting for the relationship because, as I wrote above, it really felt like she was "the one". Although I don't believe in destiny, I had the feeling that it was "meant to be" like nothing else in my life had ever been. There was a schism in my mind. One moment I might be overcome with love and longing for her. The next moment I might be consumed by fear and subsequent rage, wanting to run, run, run, as far away as possible.
The shock from that first revelation faded very slowly (it's still there) but new revelations kept appearing. Any stories alluding to her having sex with other men would instant-freeze my heart. I'd curl up, feeling hurt and angry and shutting her out for days (all the while being reasonable about it and trying to explain my feelings). I begged her not to tell me about these things but she was reluctant because she still had no intuitive understanding of my issues whatsoever and because she said she felt like she'd be a bad person for not telling me. She felt hurt by me, just like Alyssa in the movie, because I had loved her and then suddenly shunned her and wouldn't let her all the way back into my heart.
And so I spent 7 months stuck between festering anxiety and mad, blind love. Needless to say I listened to a lot of songs to try and help me understand. Many of them struck chords with my struggle, but now I find that the one most relevant lyric was this one from The Cure - speaking for her as well as me:
"how much more can we use it up,
drink it dry, take this drug
look for something forever gone
something we will always want?"
That was the terrible thing. Our relationship was dead but we were both still there.
Now I've broken up with her. When she revealed that she'd been seeing other men while we were together, that was the final straw. It was technically okay because she had openly announced that she would feel free to do so, after I had once told her that I was not ready to commit to a serious relationship. However, I felt that we had come much closer since that day and I was convinced she wasn't seeing anybody else.
We've arranged to meet again in August. That leaves me less than three months to come to terms with my fear, my anxiety and my inferiority complexes if I want to return to the love of my life. Alternatively, I can combat the notion that she is the love of my life. If I fail to do any of these, I'm doomed. Then I will be separated from the love of my life but everyone else will still pale in comparison to her.
I have tried very hard to change myself. I committed to a long and tough pull to deconstruct the destructive preconceptions responsible for the schism between her sexual history and my dream image. I may have partially succeeded in changing some of my misguided preconceptions but I have not succeeded in defeating retroactive jealousy. Just this week, someone I've been messaging with on a dating site told me a story in which she made out with someone, and I immediately lost interest in her. Of course this was nothing compared to my Chasing Amy situation, but I haven't even met this other girl, so really I should be bigger than that.
Damn, that's definitely a lot heavier and more relevant than the stuff I mentioned. It seems like you are at the point where the movie ended, with the relationship being pretty much doomed but with a slight chance at the end that she does give him a call. I can't say I hope that everything will turn out well with her because I don't know what's best for you. I do wish you luck.
I also find it worrying that she's best friends with her ex boyfriend, sounds like the biggest red flag of them all.
Thank you for your interest and well-wishes. Writing the story out like that was quite therapeutic.
There's a lot more to it, of course, and if I reach a higher and more withdrawn vantage point, I will write a long post here about what I discovered while chasing Amy. I assume I've gone further than most in this chase and that my experiences might interest others who are in this situation.
Many times when the situation seemed to be clearing up, I dreamed of being the first to make a post here titled "How I chased Amy and won". But no. The more I think of it, the more I think giving up and moving on is the winning move. But sometimes you can't just give up. Sometimes the dream is too big and the rest of life is too small. You become the dream, and giving up the dream comes to mean giving up everything.
The ex-"boyfriend" (they weren't in an exclusive relationship. It would have been a lot easier for me to relate to it if they had been. He's married and polyamorous. She engaged in that relationship with him while also having other lovers.) situation should be okay. She did a lot of things, but lying to me was never one of them. And she stated clearly that she has not been sexually interested in that man at all since they stopped shagging years ago.
Because it's about what you don't know, and what could be missing, damaged, or what you might consider tainted or impure.
Think of it like this: you go to a bakery and you find the perfect cake -- you see it in the display. It's perfect. Articulated white frosting, smooth to the touch -- but you dare not touch it. Sky blue plumbs propped along the edges with small pink clouds decorated around the innermost center of the cake, with a perfectly placed cherry sitting erect on top of a perfectly-sculpted mound of undulating vanilla.
The cake is perfect.
You pay for it, have it boxed, and take it home.
You take it out of the box and set it on the table to admire it from the same angle you saw it in the bakery.
It's perfect...
...Just until you see all sides of it and realize that there's a chunk of it missing in the back. It's something you didn't notice at first when you saw it in the store. You were too infatuated with the outer appearance; how it sold you on its perfection. Your love of its perfection and how it made you feel. You never noticed the chunk missing in the back.
It looks as if someone took their hand and grabbed a load of it; it's uneven and jagged. The frosting dripping off from the botched edges, while the cake itself seems to have some hardened edges where the sponge has been exposed to too much air.
Now you have questions: How long has it been like this? What happened that caused the damage? Are other parts damaged? Is the whole cake spoiled? Can you still admire it for the good parts, or do the bad parts taint the whole thing? Can it be fixed or repaired in time? Is it worth the repairs? Will you ever love the cake like you once did before you found out about the missing chunk?
This simile works with real life relationships. We have an idea of what we expect from someone and when we find out their past is tainted in a way, we reevaluate if they still match our expectations we have of a mate, and whether their past will affect the present
well not anymore.
Libera te tu temet ex inferis.
pro ego sum diabolus, pro ego sum nex.
Nope. That gorgeous Jewish gay man got really mad at me. Blocked me on Facebook. I was even willing to give him one million dollars for one night in Vegas.
Oh well.