(SPOILERS) When does Carlos become Anibal?
Anibal fools Carlos' ex-girlfiend into think that he is really Carlos. When during the movie does Carlos start fooling Anibal's wife that he is Anibal?
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What? Are you joking? At the end of the movie, Carlos almost kills a spider with his cigarette when he is with Anibal's wife and child. Carlos kills a spider with his cigarette at the start of the movie.
Anibal pretends to be Carlos (We all know that)
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Carlos pretends to be Anibal at point and uses that to escape capture. The Carlos which is captured at the end and spends his life in jail is actually Anibal. The authorities captured the agent not the terrorist. ;)
- I want to know at what point do you think Carlos becomes Anibal?
Im leaning towards when he screws his wife, and his wife says: "I think you are different"... "Oh and you started smoking cigarettes again"?
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lol I think i asnwered my own question.
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No two people smoke cigarettes the exact same way. That was Carlos at the end then 99.9% sure. He then Stole Annibal's identity at some point.
Well she does notice that Carlos is making luv to her in a different style which does not resemble her husbands manners. Annibal Ramirez fools Carlos's ex-girlfriend into thinking hes Carlos so the reverse is also possible. Both are desperate to believe that their husband/lover has returned "like a kid wants to believe in a department store santa clause".
Carlos has his own KGB connections and others as sources of powerful intel to possibly figure out who is behind the identity theft. Carlos knows Jack Shaw wants him dead (remember the scene where he boards the airplane and Shaw is there). So then he knows who may be conspiring against him. Its already a headstart towards being a player in the same game. Carlos could of layed down survaillance on Shaw and seen him meet with Annibal 1+1=2.
Carlos could of known the answer to: "Awefully warm for this time of year"..."Not as sticky as two summers ago" if Carlos was the one in the jaguar with Shaw and not Annibal Ramirez. Remember Carlos could of been the one who beat up the baseball dad etc... His own wife says: "You are different". This then would mean that Annibal was the one in the mansion when the KGB came in too assasinate him so he had no choice but to fight his way out. Only Annibal knew that the presence of the KGB ment a sure death and only Annibal knew about the exact details of the conspiracy (Not Carlos). Carlos would not have been so convinced that the KGB wanted to kill him. So... (Annibal fell into his own trap and realized it immediately of course, but it was too late).
***Not sure what you mean bout the blue eyes.
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Damn, if that isnt Carlos at the end, and it probly isnt. Then my ending is way better ;)
Damn now the movie just became predictable and boring. ;(
What is the deal with the carbombing in front of Annibal's home?
Is that so Annibal can fake his death and get a new identity?
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that would be a really crappy ending.
shareAnother reason Carlos isn't Aniable at the end is that Carlos was captured in Sudan, if that person was Aniable why would he go to the Sudan? Why wouldnt he try to get in contact with Jack Shaw?
shareI think the whole thing with the spider was to show that carlos and annibal were very different. carlos is a mean guy that kills the spider,while annibal doesnt, altough he could.
shareI'm going to agree with the OP here in that the suggestion that Carlos may have taken over Anibal's life at the end is quite strong. The fight scene in the pond is deliberately confusing, but from the way it played, I thought it was Anibal, not Carlos, who received the blow to the face that results in a bleeding wound, and it is ultimately this person who is deemed to be the terrorist. It could be that Carlos knew the answer to the question because (unbeknownst to Shaw) he was present in the incident in which it was originally used, and that Anibal couldn't come up with the answer inmediately because of the concussion. And the scene with the spider would suggest that this is the same Carlos we saw at the beginning, but he has decided to stop killing. Yes, of course it is far fetched, but it does make a more interesting ending, and I don't think the filmmakers would have bothered putting in those ambiguous clues if they weren't trying to suggest any of this.
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Thats why I think it might have been Carlos making love to Anibal's wife, when she says "your different, this isnt like you". Carlos might have role switched somewhere then.
Only Carlos smokes a cigarette by blowing on the blaze until it becomes pointy. Hence, that was Carlos at the end who doesnt kill the spider because he has accepted to lay low, become part of regular society and stop his violent ways. He is contempt being a free man.
Anibal is the one rotting away in a prison.
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At the final confrontation scene, Jack/Henry shoots one of them. Then realizes that both of them are wearing the same cloth, and is not able to identify Annibal. So he asks question, whose answer was only known to Annibal. And the shot person replies with the correct answer. That means he was Annibal in the end. So no chance of taking over identity
He tries to touch the spider with burning cigarette because he became so much like carlos during the training, that he could not do resist the urge to do so.
But he is not carlos inside. So something inside him stops him and he doesn't kill that spider. That means he is Annibal
With wife, he is different, because he HAS become different. But he is trying to balance the Annibal & Carlos inside of him. Kind of dual personaity. But finally overcomes carlos and remain Annibal.
Yes, I agree with this whole statement!
Your understanding at the end was exactly what my understanding was.
The faked death is for Annibal and his family's safety from Carlos.
[I did have a problem with what looked like a human body flying out from Annibal's car when it blew up. It could have been a dummy-- or a real body that had nothing to do with Annibal or his family members-- but I wish they would have made it clearer.]
My feeling is this:
Aiden Quinn who plays Annibal is actually becoming a bit close for comfort to becoming Carlos because he has been so brainwashed by Donald Sutherland. This is made clear by statement that Sutherland makes when he is confronted with the two look-alike men. Sutherland had already told Annibal the anecdote that required a certain answer; so in the water at the end when Sutherland is unsure of "who is who," he poses the statement which only the real Annibal will know how to answer. The problem is, though Anibal has gone back to a "normal family life," he psychologically "has become" Carlos, shown by the "suddenly smoking" Annibal and his trick with the spider web that only Carlos used to do. This portends a long route home for Annibal pschologically.
I liked the injection of Annibal's wife suddenly knowing that he had been with another woman. I had always thought that any wife worth her salt, or who truly had an intimate relationship with her husband, "would know" if her husband had been cheating on her.
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shareIt is Annibal at the end. The spider scene is a fun coincidence. It is showing that Annibal has chosen his own personality over the one that Shaw trained him to become. Carlos was locked up.
shareNo you're all wrong, in the end it's really anibal and not Carlos, the problem is that annbal is so into is character that he almost acts like carlos in every single way but before the end he realises that he is not carlos, that he is not that inhumain beast so he didn't kill the spider, although carlos did...
shareBoth Annibal and Carlos were alive at the end. However, I don't believe that Carlos is locked up. Rather, he escaped, as he swam away. The victory Shaw spoke of was that Carlos, while free, will be rendered ineffective because of his perceived selling out to the CIA.
A separate question is why Shaw didn't go after Carlos in the water but instead stayed to tend to Annibal. His life's mission was to kill this guy, and not stop at anything, even threatening Annibal and his family. Perhaps he figured they had already won and wanted to ensure his surrogate son was safe.
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I just watched this on dvd so I was amazed that anybody could misunderstand the ending.
It was a confusing film but not impossible to understand.
It was Anibel at the end in the French Carribean,not CARLOS.
In the story they did not manage to kill CARLOS but they spoiled his terrorist career by making his Eastern bloc and Arab friends think he was untrustworthy.
If it had been CARLOS at the end of the film then the last place he would want to stay would be French territory since the French were after him more than almost anybody else due to his killing of 2 French secret service agents and the bombing of the cafe in Paris.
Do you think that Carlos's organisation would be able to provide him with the detail of Anibel's life to the extent that he could fool his wife?
Imagine his wife would say,"remember that bar in New York " and the imposter would not know what she meant,was it a great bar,was it the worst bar in the world?
But the details don't matter because while it is obvious why CARLOS would want to pretend to be ANIBEL why would ANIBEL want to pretend to be a retired CARLOS ? just for the sex ?he would be in fear of his life living in crap parts of the world and in the end he got kidnapped and jailed by the French.
So to sum up,CARLOS went to SUDAN,ANIBEL went under cover.
The switch theory is interesting because it never even occurred to me, but it's hard to get past these main issues that others have already referenced:
How could Carlos possibly begin to know ANYTHING about Anibel's life, especially to the point where he could fool his family, and even Jack?
Why would a deep-to-the core committed sadist -- a guy who kills his long-term girlfriend and closest business associates without a second thought when he even SUSPECTS their betrayal -- suddenly decide to play relax and play loving husband and daddy?
"What? Are you joking? At the end of the movie, Carlos almost kills a spider with his cigarette when he is with Anibal's wife and child. Carlos kills a spider with his cigarette at the start of the movie."
No man, the last scene is to show how much of the instincts he is still living with. If it was as you said, then that means they swapped places entirely. Both are alive at the end of the film. There is also a prolog explanation that informs (those paying attention) of what happened in the time between the end of the assignment and years after. If your theory is correct, then how did he get the American to play the role of Carlos indefinitely? According to you, Carlos orchestrated an exploding car to get the American to think that he was dead, so that the American would leave him alone and yet continue acting as if he is Carlos to the point of being blocked from entering most of the nations of the world and is not in prison without having gone through a trial.
Don't take one little thing and draw conclusiong that totally conflict with the numerous depictions (just about everything that is potrayed after the 2 of them meet just before showing the "3 months later" scenes and both of them looking at the news clipping) of what happened.