I can honestly say the reason why I haven't seen this movie is because Greena Davis is in it, the only movie I can think of that I liked that she was in was Beetlejuice and The Fly. I'm just not a fan of hers. And I think it as to do with Cutthroat Island (awesomely bad movie)
Wanted to see hubby direct his six-foot MENSA member and a qualified archer wifey Geena in an action flick in a more contemporary setting, and it was good! Geena does come out fine as a versatile actress doing action scenes. And as one comment saying after landing up home all tired from a hectic day it does a good job of unwinding. Says a lot about the movie. And how can one even compare Lost in Translation to this one? TLKG is certainly not pretending to compete in the Oscars or even Hall of Fame!!! But Geena sure was fantastic in Thelma and Louise.
So, at the end of the day, this didn't work, as everyone said coz it had a woman in the lead role, and perhaps wasn't so vigorously marketed as Kill Bill where Quentin has his feet firmly in the ground coz he's not directing his wife.
The film is awful. It flopped because of that reason, and that reason alone. What makes it awful has been said - awful acting, awful stunts, awful dialogue and cheesy even though it thinks it's not and tries it's hardest to be serious.
Great no brainers that do it properly have to be MI:II & Ong Bak but there are plenty of others.
Great no brainers that do it properly have to be MI:II...
damn you LIKED MI:II? that movie is terrible! someone needs to tell john woo to take his elbow off the slow-mo button when hes taking naps.
and anyone who thinks TLKG has bad dialogue needs to go read the quotes list.
heres some examples:
Charlie: Goddamn it. You're early. So Perkins wants me dead, huh? What's the rush? Why don't you just go away and come back at midnight? Shoo. Alley Agent: Hey, honey, this is a real big *beep* gun. Mitch Henessey: This ain't no ham on rye pal. Charlie: What the hell are you doing? Mitch Henessey: Saving your life. I would have been here sooner, but I was thinkin' up that 'ham on rye' line.
Mitch Henessey: How did you find us? Nathan: There may be many reasons not to kill you, but among them is not that you'll be missed by NASA. I found the address in your coat. Here. Between the address of a topless bar, and the picture of what looks like a man's penis. Mitch Henessey: That's a duck, not a dick.
Mitch: I'm goin' in. Charlie: You can't there's too many of them. Mitch: Well kill them for me, bitch! What else you good for?
Nathan: Alice, please. Your dog, Alice. It and my appetite are mutually exclusive. Alice: Well, what's wrong with the dog? Nathan: Simple. He's been licking his *beep* for the last three straight hours. I submit to you that there is nothing there worth more than an hour's attention. I should think that whatever he is attempting to dislodge is either gone for good, or there to stay. Wouldn't you agree?
if you don't like this dialogue, you're watching the wrong kind of movie.
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"Of all the Christmas pageants I've ever seen, that was by far the most recent."
This happens to be one of my favorite movies. Now I admit that I have trashy taste in movies. I have a simple list of what makes a good film. It has:
1. A strong female lead. 2. A cute male co-star. 3. A clearly identifiable bad guy, and it helps if either he is a truly slimy human or a monster or some other oddity. 4. Explosions.
My favorite films are things like Aliens (the Alien males weren't cute enough), Fatal Beauty (not many explosions, but a lot of gunfire plus the Cecile-in-the-pool scene), Abyss, Undecover Blues, Point of No Return (which I like better than La Femme Nikita, but couldn't tell you why--maybe it's the Nina Simone), VI Warshawski (although the books were lots better), and US Marshalls (Tommy Lee Jones is so cute that he and the plane crash and the elevated train escape scenes make up for the fact that there is no female lead).
Here's the problem. Most women don't like action films. Action films are aimed, for the most part, at men. Women are supposed to like things like The Bridges of Madison County (snore). Instead of action movies, women get suspense, like What Lies Beneath (not bad, but nothing blows up) or The Haunting (better than the novela, and I love Shirley Jackson). And men, for the most part, want to see action movies starring men.
The reason why is simple. In a movie, you want to identify with the characters. You want to see yourself on the screen. Men--for the most part--cannot identify with women. Would Blue Thunder have worked if it had starred Sigourney Weaver instead of Roy Schneider? In Star Wars, could Hans Solo have been played by JoBeth Williams and Obiwan Kenobi by Dame Judi Dench?
How many young boys read The Nancy Drew mysteries? I know a lot of young girls who read The Hardy Boys, The Three Investigators, and the Lewis Barnavelt series. Women read Charles Dickens, but men do not read Jane Austen. And would Harry Potter have been such a rousing success as Harriet Potter with her friends Herman Granger and Ron (short for Veronica) Weasley? It might have played well with girls, but boys would never have read it, and it would never have been made into a movie.
And, let's face it. Tomb Raider did not star Angelina Jolie. It starred Angelina Jolie's breasts. There's a difference. It would not have been the same movie with Gillian Anderson, and no one would have gone to see it.
I'm trying to hack it as a professional screenwriter in Hollywood. Does that count?
Good luck with that. from what i can tell, you are one of the few people in this thread with decent taste in movies, and you can see beyond what you merely like, and what is actually good.
I realize this is some crazy-ass multi-year thread, but I just got done watching TLKG for the first time and came to IMBD afterwards (also a habit of mine). I'd have to agree that this flick was full of cliches and cheesy dialog and was only worth watching once. I know some people will not dig that statement but thats ok. I like plenty of crap movies, but I am also well aware they are crap, but for some reason I like them and they have merit to me. But that doesn't make them some brilliant masterpiece either.
Oh, and can anyone explain to me WHY on earth they drove the semi with the car and frozen terrorist and Sam Jackson in it, up to the soon-to-be-exploding tanker AND AND AND backed it up??? They did say they were gonna drop the car and the body in a ravine 5 miles from the city. I don't think Niagra Falls qualifies as a ravine.
My roommates have introduced me into camp movies and a true appreciation of them (and by that I mean ironic appreciation). When I watched this particular movie, I wasn't coming from that school of movie-going. I wonder if I watch it again if I'll like it any better. I should try it out and post the results.
I did recently see Running Scared and I probably would have hated that movie just as much as Kiss Goodnight if not more if I had seen it before I had my protective shield of ironic detachment. As it is, my only complaint with Running Scared is it is way too long, but it's got some great moments if you like laughing at pure idiocracy captured on film. ("I'm kinda parched.")
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Has anybody told us yet just how bad LKG did at the box office? How much did the producers lose?
By me LKG's a masterpiece. It had me clapping and LOL. Both Jackson and Davis were magnificent. I got lucky tonight when a video store owner recommended it. I've just e-mailed a couple of dozen friends to pass on the word for Christmas.
Then, too, it predicts the 9/11 Stunt, if one looks at it that way --with open eyes. Quite brilliant; definitely deserves a resurrection.
Now besides the obsessive Fergwhazziz here on this blog for doubtless the very purest of motivations, some other parties that could be expected to try to sink the film would be the ones who're the villains in it, eh what? Those would be the ones who basically established a secret police dictatorship over the whole Planet on the basis of setting off a big blast 5 years after LKG was shot precisely in order to throw the blame on a dead Arab --my, my, just like in the movie. BTW another valid artistic prediction of 9/11 as a false flag job was John Grisham's THE BRETHREN, which was published in 2000 and has yet to be picked up by Hollywood because, as someone said already years ago on the Net, it cuts too close to the bone.
I would be curious to hear a business expert's account of the handling of the promotion of LKG and also a competent critic's explanation of the genius behind this creation.
For my money, this movie is a lot of fun. Sure, you can say it lacks originality, sure you can say it's unbelievable, but I found it to be a whole heck of a lot of fun. I mean, I didn't go into a movie "Directed by Renny Harlin" for anything other than escapist fun.
The mid-90's weren't too kind to action flicks. "True Lies", "Strange Days", and the aformentioned "Long Kiss Goodnight", all competent action movies with better-than-average dialogue, didn't fare so well with audiences.
It's easy to blame the marketing. I mean, the previews for "Strange Days" weren't very attention-grabbing, in addition to the movie being hard to sell in 2 1/2 minutes. "True Lies" ads only focused on action, when there's about an hour in the middle where nothing but interpersonal stuff happens; had they given us previews focusing on the relationship between Arnold and Jamie Lee, I'm sure more females would've gone out to see the movie.
As far as "Long Kiss Goodnight", name-dropping back then didn't carry as much weight as now: "From the Creators of Lethal Weapon and Cliffhanger". Those who cared back then would've also known that some of the creators of "Cliffhanger" also created "Cutthroat Island" and "Ford Fairlane".
I agree, I just watched this with my roommates and we were laughing our heads off. My only complaint is that it needed more Samuel L. Jackson in it :) I think they should have put snakes on the helicopter or in the truck, that would've been awesome.
I thought the film was excellent,thoroughly enjoyable,to me it was a comic book brought to life,and there can be no higher praise.When Shane Black appeared in 'Predator',he was reading a Sgt.Rock comic book-- no accident,I think,he obviously loves the comic book medium & The Long Kiss Goodnight was a rollercoaster ride.Of course Geena Davis was never going to die,just like Cary Grant in 'North By Northwest',but so what?Along with 'Under Siege',of it's genre,it was bloody good.
The Long Kiss Goodnight is a DECENT action flick that keeps you entertained! It should have grossed 80 million at least!
Well, it was 1996, where having one or two female leads was still box office poison. The industry had a handful of movies where there were only female leads and even these movies were still presented with having a male co-headliner.
I agree with this article, http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2001/02/12/the_long_kiss_goodnight_1996_review.shtml. If LKGN was released this year, it would have faired better. But even in saying that, in the age when Charlies Angels was a box offce success story, isn't still considered bad luck to just have no men in the movie poster? Wasn't that why they had the three ladies only in silhouette in the first poster and then just their backs in the second? (At least, from the Studio perspective; Tarantino would have had A LOT more control over posters for his picture)
this was a great film. shane black is a god when it comes to writing. and renny...ford fairlane kicks ass. plus he made geena very hot. ttttttsssssssssssss
First off, I want to thank everyone for posting on this movie; it has helped me a great deal as I am writing a dissertation chapter on it. Of course, this means I'd like to put my 2 cents in the mix. As to the question of box office sales, although it may have faired poorly at its original release, the NY Times and other sources that have been tracking the DVD market have suggested more than once that Sam Jackson films (along with Steve Buscemi?!) rank among the highest if not the highest in DVD sales. Therefore, the film's post-theatrical release 'box office' needs to be taken into account, and possibly stand as a corrective to box office sales. Yet, the truth of the matter is that gender most likely did play a part in its reception. However, I want to argue with the earlier poster who said women don't like action movies?! How films are marketed, and yes action-spectacle films are primarily marketed to young men, is a distinct topic from what 'women' supposedly like or dislike. And, in fact, by the middle of the nineties, producers such as Joel Silver and large production companies started actively marketing action films to both men and women (see: True Lies), finding that not romantic subplots but comedy encouraged women to attend these films; so you can thank the girls for the witty repartee in most of these movies. I am really responding, though, to the IMDB review that says if you think about this movie it is actually "stupid". I'd like to call that for what it is: denial (disavowal). As the comments here clearly address, the film brings up a great deal about the constructed nature of gender. I think the woman who pointed out Keith Ferguson's discomfort w/ Samantha's butchness hit it on the head. Interestingly, her "Samantha" character, the feminine, domesticated role he was more comfortable with than Charly. I would direct you to check out the photos on the IMDB page, particularly the one where Charly rides up the Xmas lights to kill _the father of her child_. In this scene, she sets on fire the banner of the happy white nuclear family behind her. Remember, Davis was bringing with her the fame and controversy of Thelma and Louise when starring in this film. That she becomes Charly after fending off the unwanted sexual advances of the man from the party is no coincidence. I apologize for pontificating (I have already published an article on the role of women action heros in this film and The Matrix elsewhere) but I wanted to throw it out there that maybe the film generates such debates for reasons beyond 'good' and 'bad', which are essentially subjective, but rather creates such responses because of the kind of themes and characterizations that this film represents. Just by casting a woman as the action hero, the re-masculinizing that typically occurs in action films such as Rambo and Die Hard are turned upside down. As much as Sam is masculinized over the course of the film, so is John McClane and Rambo (the latter as a personification of post-Vietnam America and the former as the American husband now unnecessary to the corporate-climbing post-feminist woman). Finally, because it offers an action-packed and witty critique of gender roles, racial politics and right-wing corruption of U.S. democracy (remember, this was during Clinton's administration) this film ROCKS, or at the very least, deserves a thoughtful reconsideration by its detractors (Mr. Ferguson, I'd be happy to send you my full chapter to further enlighten you to the cultural and aesthetic riches afforded by Long Kiss Goodnight).
Geller-I'm looking forward to reading your dissertation.
In answer to the original question: Because movie studios are into instant gratification these days.They want the movie to make $100 million the first week and if it doesn't,that's it.Dustin Hoffman talked about how the movie business has changed since the 70's and he said All The President's Men was not a runaway hit.Through word of mouth it gradually made money and now studios are not willing to wait for that.
Interestingly,there was a young lady ahead of me (who was black) and you would think she was there to see Samuel L.Jackson.Nope.She was seeing the movie for Geena Davis."I just like to see girls kick ass," she told me.We have a right now society and one of the things it does great damage to is the movie industry-the studios because they're really losing money long term and the fans because those of us who don't get to the theater the first weekend find the movie gone because Universal didn't get their candy right away.The question is,will it ever change?
Being directed by Renny Harlin probably didn't help, but back in 1996, odd-couple, trash-mouthed buddy action movies were tired and incredibly unfashionable. It never stood a chance, despite being a cut above.
This movie was actually pretty good IMO. I wasn't expecting much from Geena Davis, but she surprised me. It's definitely cheesy and over the top, but it's decent.
I dunno about the box office, but it was a popular movie in the early years of DVD, up there with Jurassic Park and Contact as a home theater demo movie. I rented it more than once on laserdisc to give my subwoofers a workout.
my two cents? i love the film. sure its over the top but which action films aren't?
and why was it a failure? well, the film was marketed as a female lead male action and thats a tough sale even today. so no duh the film was a flop...but it was a good attempt by davis and harlin.
This is a movie I can watch over and over again, especially around the Christmas season. I was in high school and working in a theater when this came out, and loved it so much I went a couple of times. But, to be fair, it was free...and I just bought the DVD this year because it was 2.96 at walmart. There are probably a million reasons why this didn't do go at the box office, but there are also a ton a reasons I love this movie. Oh well, to each their own!
My guess as to why the movie failed is that the year before, Geena Davis and Renny Harlin had done the huge bomb Cutthroat Island. After that movie Geena Davis movies and Renny Harlin movies became pretty much box office poison. So everyone was expecting Long Kiss to be mediocre at best, no one had any reason to expect otherwise. If the movie came out today there would be no difference. It would still make no money in the theaters, but would be huge on video.