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Let me get this straight...


I really REALLY don't wanna be 'that guy' (you know the guy -- the one who over analyzes kid's cult classics), but this made me raise an eyebrow even as a kid, back in the day.

Marion Hawthorne and the others basically plot this major "take-down of Harriet The Spy" (I know, not their exact words, but still), all because of some thoughts she wrote down in her own PRIVATE notebook, journal.. Whatever. She didn't bully people or go around spreading rumors. These were just thoughts that she wrote down and kept to herself. I get that kids are hardly the epitome of rational, but really? The things they were doing to her was borderline harassment, and all over some personal opinions that they were never even meant to see in the first place? I dunno, it just never sat right.

The other thing that I always pondered was this: it's never implied that Harriet sat very high up on the Social Totem Pole. In fact it looks like she, Janie and Sport have their own little clique going. Maybe not outcasts per say, but definitely a non-issue socially. So why did everyone care so much about what she wrote? I can completely understand why Sport and Janie were hurt, but everyone else? Marion Hawthorne obviously didn't care much. She merely used the notebook as an excuse to antagonize Harriet.


Any thoughts other than "we wouldn't have had a movie otherwise"? Lol

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Of course being on my phone, I can't edit my grammar. I meant "epitome of rational THOUGHT".

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Where were the adults too as well? Surely any adult would've sided with Harriet, and explained to the children harassing her why she wasn't in the wrong (her PRIVATE notebook, her PRIVATE thoughts, her personal outlet, etc.).

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Where were the adults too as well? Surely any adult would've sided with Harriet, and explained to the children harassing her why she wasn't in the wrong (her PRIVATE notebook, her PRIVATE thoughts, her personal outlet, etc.).


That was going to be my next question. I suppose one doesn't think of these things as a kid, but certainly looking at it in retrospect, there is so much that just baffles me. The adults being the biggest thing. All of the adults, with the exception of Ol' Golly seemed to be mentally off in another universe, unless Harriet did something wrong. On the other hand, there was all of this mischief the other kids were causing and yet none of the adults noticed anything? The paint incident in the classroom, for example. Now granted, I can buy the idea that maybe the teacher genuinely thought it was an accident, because her attention was elsewhere when it occurred. Yet Harriet's parents didn't notice the blue paint in the tub? Or Harriet's ruined clothes? It's so crazy!

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Well the stuff she wrote was pretty mean, even if it was private. And if she didn't want people to read it then she shouldn't have brought it to school and definitely should not have written "Private" in giant letters on the cover. That's practically an open invitation for someone to snoop. If she had written something like "1986 Tax Returns" on the cover no one would be interested.

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I agree that Harriet bringing it out with her in public was incredibly stupid, but her age has to be taken into consideration. She's a child. Not saying that all children make careless mistakes like that, but a lot of children do make incredibly careless mistakes like that at that age.

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See, I really don't even think carrying it around with her in public in and of itself was the problem. The trouble started when she let her guard down at the park and let the book out of her sight, while she was running and tumbling around with the other kids. I think it can be assumed that she had been carrying that book with her virtually everywhere up to that point, but never had an issue because it was always with her. I recall plenty of girls carrying their diaries or journals, and no one ever bothered them because usually they were on the owner's person at all times, and nobody cared enough to look through it.

She wrote some pretty messed up things, but the retaliation against her was still overkill. They were seeking her out with the intention of physically harassing her, while she was out minding her own business. And it still makes me wonder....why did the other kids care so much? Who was she to them? Obviously Janie and Sport were her 'BFF's', so I can understand wholeheartedly why they were hurt. But I don't get why her other classmates were so upset. Maybe I'm just mis-remembering the movie, but I don't recall Harriet ever really interacting with any of her other classmates. In fact, it seemed like Harriet was just some kid that others didn't really pay much attention to. So why the heck were they so heated about her opinions? Opinions that they didn't even know she had, nonetheless.

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Harriet should've treated her private notebook like a huge responsibility (for lack of much better words at that moment). She should've treated such an important item as if it were a baby that she had to look after, or the keys to her house, etc. Now that I think about it I do kinda find it odd that Harriet wouldn't have that mentality towards her private notebook already by default? Granted she is 9 years old, but I thought that her writing was supposed to reflect that she was mature for her age?

Mistakes do happen, and Harriet definitely learned from this one. There's no way in hell all the harassment in the world is going to stop Harriet from writing in her notebook post-movie (Harriet had way too strong of a natural passion for writing for anyone to stop her from doing it, and even her parents realized that around the end of the film). But now Harriet's just going to be writing at home from now, lol.

About what you said about why the kids cared so much to harass her. I think that they just genuinely felt that hurt from the things that Harriet had said about them. The irony here is that they're all really huge hypocrites because all of those kids also probably had "not so nice" personal opinions about the other kids locked safely hidden within their own mind & thoughts, they just didn't voice it out loud or write it down like Harriet did. Let he or she who hasn't thought negative thoughts about their fellow classmates cast the first stone at Harriet.

I agree that the harassment doesn't make sense however because it's not like Harriet was ever picking on any of these kids, or verbally personally insulting & attacking them at all. Nor was Harriet a fake hypocritical bitch who was pretending to be friends with all of these kids to their faces & then trashing them behind their backs in her notebook. Like you said, Harriet pretty much just stuck to her own little clique, kept her opinions to her notebook, and didn't really bother anyone at all, so the harassment is quite strange.

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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. But imagine if someone in your class wrote things about you..personal attacks. Like Harriet did in her journal. And all those personal things were made public for your entire class because someone read them out loud... embarrassing you to know end. I can't say for you what exactly your most personal secret would be that you felt it was an attack..only you can. For me it would have probably been my weight. At that age I was extremely insecure about it and if someone in my class was reading the personal thoughts of someone out loud to the entire class..I would be mortified! Embarrassed.. probably following would be rage and anger. I want revenge! So there you have how they all begin the bullying or harassing or whatever you want to call it.

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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here. But imagine if someone in your class wrote things about you..personal attacks. Like Harriet did in her journal. And all those personal things were made public for your entire class because someone read them out loud... embarrassing you to know end. I can't say for you what exactly your most personal secret would be that you felt it was an attack..only you can. For me it would have probably been my weight. At that age I was extremely insecure about it and if someone in my class was reading the personal thoughts of someone out loud to the entire class..I would be mortified! Embarrassed.. probably following would be rage and anger. I want revenge! So there you have how they all begin the bullying or harassing or whatever you want to call it.


I don't think anyone is denying that Harriet wrote some pretty nasty and hurtful things in that book, and having been bullied and humiliated all throughout school myself, I don't need to imagine how it would feel to have such things read-aloud about me. Those feelings of rage and being mortified all ring true. Yet even as a kid going through that stuff in real-time, even I found myself shaking my head at the extreme lengths her classmates were going to, in order to exact revenge.

I think what OP was getting at was that regardless of how hurtful her words were, there was some serious disproportionate retribution going on. Let's be serious, Harriet was a NOBODY whose biggest crime was letting her journal fall into the wrong hands. She herself didn't go out of her way to humiliate anyone; her private thoughts and opinions just happened to get read aloud (and dramatically paraphrased) by the class alpha-bitch. Being angry at Harriet to the point of maybe ostracizing her would've been completely understandable, but it made zero sense for everyone to lash out at her the way they did. By the time the paint incident happened, I was starting to question whether she was so wrong about everything she wrote...

See, I just think it would've helped more if we'd gotten a better idea of what Harriet's relationship was like with the rest of her class prior to the big fallout. Is she that student that maybe isn't "popular", but everyone likes and gets along with anyway? Or is she that student who is kind of outcasted and has her own tiny circle of comrades she runs with? I don't know if this is ever addressed in the books, but in the film, it seems like she falls more into the second description. Harriet seems only a step or two above "The boy with the purple socks"; we're never given much reason to believe that the other students care much about her. In my opinion, the plot may have worked better if Harriet fell more into the first description. Imagine if Harriet had instead been that student and had it revealed to the class how she really felt. Then I could see everyone wanting to retaliate over the things she wrote, as opposed to "That girl who we barely pay attention to said bad things about us in her diary! Let's all kick her ass!".

And look, I get it. It's a fictional kid's movie blah blah blah yackity schmackity. But I do recall a lot of people back then, gushing over it and saying how relatable to kids it was. And while I can see that with some aspects of the film, I feel like any "Harriet" that would've attended our school and got caught in the same situation would've gotten ostracized at best.

TL : DR OP is right. Even with kids being irrational, the whole concept doesn't hold up very well.

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Strange as it might sound, that is exactly how the kids would have responded in real life, though they probably wouldn't have gotten away with some of the stuff you see in the film. The truth is, most of the kids didn't really know Harriet, and when her private thoughts were aired for all to see, it seems every one of them hit a nerve. It went beyond writing mean thoughts about the other kids in her journal; much of what she said about them was true, and they knew it, but didn't like the idea of anyone calling them out for it.

It's kinda like, growing up in a town where most of the kids at school ignore you, even when you're kind to them and having polite conversation with them; and they only hear you when you insult them.

I read the first novel as a kid, so I became very protective of my own journals and never let anyone near them, let alone read them. I also never stupidly participated in any activities like what got Harriet into trouble in the first place. I mean, who the hell keeps books in their arms when playing that game? Nobody!

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I never thought of it that way. Excellent points @AmeriGirl26!

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I read the book a couple of times as a kid. People are insecure and can’t be honest with themselves, especially kids. They couldn’t handle the truth and they took it out on her.

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It's probably because they were mad she thought those things about those people since they were really mean.

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