Lesbian subtext?


This film (as far as i'm concerned) has a strong lesbian subtext. any thoughts on this?

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Okay I just wanted to say something after rereading this thread years later.


Disagree about the lesbian subtext if you want, but if these two girls are supposed to be gay, it doesn't change the film. the message is still the same. You deniers seem to feel that if the girls are gay, the movie is cheapened or somehow inferior to a movie about straight girls. That's not true. It can still be good, and the girls can still be attracted to each other. I think the horror at the lesbian subtext is kinda offensive. What's wrong with being gay?

And please, PLEASE stop saying (in EVERY comment)"so two girls can't be good friends anymore without people calling them lesbian?" YES THEY CAN, but in this particular movie the friendship appears to go further. and the sheer volume of people who noticed the sexual attraction proves it's there.

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Actually - people noticing something could well say more about the people who noticed than the film itself and is no more proof of something than any other observation.
That said, while I thought most of it was quite innocent there were a couple bits where I couldn't help but wonder a little if there was something more going on.
But, like I said, maybe that says more about me and society nowadays than about the film.

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Thank you, allie_sleeps. I've been waiting and waiting for someone to point this out. What does it *MATTER* what the writers "meant" it to be? There's nothing wrong with queering the movie and there's nothing wrong with girlfriends being just girlfriends. The themes are still there and it's really not worth arguing about.

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You're not the only one who thought this. Even when I watching it for the first time as a child I thought both girls were different. Wow, some people really have problem with this. Color me shocked because I thought most noticed it too.

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And if it does??????

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J.R.R. Tolkien adamantly claims that his books have no themes of World War I at all. However, many readers discern that the books do indeed have such themes. He grew up during that time and participated in the war, whether or not he chose to consciously, subconsciously his life during World War I affected his writings.

Maybe the directors and writers and actors did not see much of a lesbian subtext, maybe some of them did. We as an audience can infer things about a movie. That is why in a poetry class, you can't be wrong unless you can't back up your explanation or you suggest something that you cannot find any meaning to. In my opinion, a lesbian subtext in this film can definitely be backed up.

When I first watched this movie I did not know much about attraction or that girls could be attracted to girls. At an older age I looked back on the movie and definitely saw something more than friendship between the girls. Then I re-watched the movie and found plenty of explanation.

Therefore, though possibly unintended, the film does have a lesbian subtext it seems. Many people agree and see it too.

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I can't really see that. I think you're reading too far into it. Is it possible? Well...MAYBE, but I highly doubt it. Generally family/kids' movies don't have LGBT themes to them.

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of course! and its not just subtext they say it in the movie
christina ricci: "idk theres something 'different' about her"
hahaha

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They are children. I mean Beth does say in the V. O, the finest women I know, and back in 1980, so maybe they are lovers in the future but not during the movie. They were just cute preteens having a very real and awesome adventure and helping each other through hardtimes. I think they maintained a lifelong friendship, and maybe as adults became loves. I am bi, and I always felt funny watching this movie, but I like guys too.

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Every time when I watch Anna Chlumsky in that movie, she REALLY does look like the guy I had a crush on back in high school who was the star quarterback and I'm a guy. Because of that, I think that Jody could easily pass off as being a butch lesbian.

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So if the story involved two boys, I suppose that would imply a gay theme also? No? Then why do two female characters automatically imply a lesbian theme?

Face it, the only reason people say there is a lesbian subtext here is because Chlumsky's character wears floppy, unfeminine clothes and has a non-girly haircut.

You all are engaging in stereotypes. That doesn't do much either for your argument or for the way you think people should look, or do look, to fit your preconceptions.

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To be honest if you had switched out their roles with boys I think that would make it appear even gayer. I have no idea if they intended it to have gay undertones but it definitely has them if you pay attention. It also is not just based on Jody looking masculine. Their interactions, disinterest in boys, somewhat demonization of men, idolizing a woman who disguised herself as a man, and the way they HAD to be together despite what parents said implied some things. I was a little lesbian at one point, I know how they behave! Is it possible it is totally platonic and they're just close friends? Sure. Buuut I think it's quite possible they did mean something too.

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