Vegetarian


I saw this film a few years ago and instantly became vegetarian (and still am 3 years on!)


I was just wondering how many others have converted to vegetarianism as the result of 'Babe'?

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Snowfall,

I do agree with you that it's perverse to try to argue in favour of vegetarianism on the basis of demonstrable nonsense. There are so many very good arguments in favour of it that one can use effectively. Why go for the worthless ones?

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There's a big difference, between canine teeth, and fangs.

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*** When you say you're an omnivore, you're not really because omnivores eat the animal half dead and half alive. Not dead for a long time and slightly cooked. It's a fact that real carnivores and omnivores would refuse to eat an animal in the wild if it was burned in a forest fire, therefore they DON'T consider it food if it's "cooked". I completely doubt you'd ever go up to a cow and bite it to rip its flesh for food. You would not eat the organs raw and lap up all the blood. It would make your stomach churn just thinking about it. It doesn't matter if you say you would be able to kill the animal, because the point is you wouldn't want to. No humans, especially women, would go up to the animal and hurt it, because the animal didn't do anything wrong. No human has straightforward feelings of hate towards someone they've never met. That INCLUDES animals. People are only able to eat animals nowadays, because they have other people (the slaughterhouse workers) do it for them. That is laziness, arrogence, and complete blindness. If you have to "blind" yourself to do something that bad, you know you shouldn't do it. ***



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I bet you yourself wouldn't kill an animal with bare hands. I know it. You'd look into its eyes and feel bad about taking another life.

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I never said anything untrue, just things I've heard and things I've learned. If any of them are lies, sorry, but I wouldn't know.

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I saw this film back in November of 1995 and became a vegetarian just after and have been ever since. I've gotten picked on about it constantly, especially if they ask me WHY I decided to become one. It's not that hard for me, though. It might have been a little bit at first, but it hasn't been for such a long time. Now, if I could only give up sweets that easily. :)

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One of the many films that probably influenced me to turn Veggie!

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I'm the daughter of a butcher (and even though i do not agree with the things that he does) In england meat sales actually went up after babe was realeased... still no idea why, i'd agree with you i thought it would drive people to becoming veggies no eating more.

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I'm watching this movie right now. Even though I like it(the movie) I will never become a vegetarian.

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The biggest problem with this whole debate is that both sides end up sounding ridiculous and no one wants to listen to anything the other side has to say at all.

As for me; vegetarian and proud for 20 years. Went back to meat a couple times to see how it would affect me, and got sick each time. Perhaps the human race is capable of both-perhaps within our species, there are omnivores and herbavores. (there are no true carnivores within the human species to my knowledge. I have never heard of a human in history that ate nothing but flesh. If anyone has facts to dispute this; I am open to hearing it) Each side has their facts and their beliefs; and I think it is wrong to become condescending on either side. There can be no common ground of respect when all we are doing is bickering and name calling.

On a final note just for my well-being; The fact is that more people can be fed on the grains that we feed the cow than the cow itself. It's a world hunger issue. I consider myself a humanitarian; not an animal rights activist. If anyone can disprove this; I am open to it.

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Galldora,

I have never heard of a human in history that ate nothing but flesh.

Perhaps not nothing but flesh, but the Inuit (Eskimos) used to eat almost nothing but. In summer they'd eat what berries they could find; also they'd eat the contents of the intestines of the animals they killed. It has been estimated that their traditional diet was 95% meat. They were quite remarkably healthy on it too; heart disease and other circulatory diseases were virtually unknown until they changed to a more Western flour-and-sugar based diet. Now they have the same health problems we have.

Masai warriors lived on a diet of milk mixed with blood, tapped straight from the neck of the cow. But I'm not sure how far that constituted the bulk of their diet. I think it used to.

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pfne-thanks for the input.

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" They were quite remarkably healthy on it too; heart disease and other circulatory diseases were virtually unknown until they changed to a more Western flour-and-sugar based diet. "

they were eating salmon and other fish.

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However, the Inuit lifespan is still about 10 years shorter than that for other Canadians, in part due to their high flesh/low plant diet.

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I did not become a vegetarian because of this film, but I have been one since about that time.
After reading this entire thread, I find it curious that no one has brought forth the fact that we are the only animals on this planet with the moral capacity to know that killing without necessity is wrong. Humans kill other humans when the situation warrants it, but we, as a society, demand a price be paid for murder (ie: unwarranted killing of another human). We have the moral capacity to know that taking the life of non-human animals unnecessarily is wrong too. To ignore this is to deny one of the very things that makes us human. If we are indeed special creatures, this moral sense is what largely defines us.
The evolution of our moral sense has been characterized by an ever increasing ring of care. Beginning with boundaries that excluded all but the self, the ring expanded to include the immediate family, then the extended family, then the community at large. Since we live in a time when many are still struggling to include other races in this ring of care, it may be a radical suggestion that we include other species, but the time is coming for this next logical extension of our moral paradigm.

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Beautifully put; and well executed. I hope others would also thank you for expressing your viewpoint on this in a way that is not insulting. It really goes a long way to pull off some of the *sterotypes* that many vegetarians/vegans/animal rights folks are usually made to contend with without insulting or degrading our meat eating friends and family.

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Good point.

Another thing is that if animals are well fed, they tend not to attack each other.



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I eat more fruit than any other foods. I sometimes eat chicken. The thing I've noticed about people who eat a lot of meat is that they often have bad body odour. I'm amazed that a subject such as diet can bring out that part of humans that resorts to insulting language as if that proves a point. It doesn't.

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