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Should have changed Captains mid series

posted 8 years ago by spielberto
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They should have had Janeway make the Ultimate Sacrifice to save the ship/crew mid series and then made Chokotay Captain and shown him taking a different way of doing things.
Janeway would have gone down in history as the best Star Trek Capt ever because she gave her ALL, more than any other Capt.
Some would say that it could be perceived as misogynistic to kill the only female Capt. I say "Fah!"
She would be greater than any male capt.
What's the Janeway legacy now? Just one of the worst captains.

[–] liscarkat (19427) 4 years ago

Janeway was the lazy writers' excuse for a character: an independent, strong woman who must also be a bitch who is hostile toward men. In real life, independent, strong women are pleasant people, and they get along well with men. But that takes more effort and talent to write.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

What are you talking about?

Janeway had a great relationship with all the male crew members. She was always respectful to Chakotay, Tuvok, Paris, Kim, Neelix and the Doctor, and often reached out to them for advice and guidance. She accepted those who were previously enemies and even pulled Paris out of imprisonment when he had been dismissed by everyone else.

Are you talking about enemies, and if so how the hell should she react to them? Offer them tea and biscuits and remain respectful like a nice lady and just hope they weren’t blown to bits in an attack? That would have made for a short series.

I wonder if you even watched the show at all.

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

". In real life, independent, strong women are pleasant people"

Of course, imaginary people usually are.

Women are never independent or strong in this world, because they don't have to. They rely on either men or governments, and their strength is external, based either on exploitation of men's weaknesses or governmental enforcement of 'social rules'.

Show me one independent, strong woman, and I'll show you a hack that didn't do anything by themselves, and who exploited innocent men since they were able to say 'papa'.

[–] avortac4 (3770) 3 years ago

"She would be greater than any male capt.
What's the Janeway legacy now? Just one of the worst captains. "

Why would females always have to be 'GREATER than any male'? Why?

What happened to equality? Why can't they be equal?

Furthermore, women always have power over men, why can't men sometimes have power over women, even if it means being a captain? It's ridiculous to put women to compete in the masculine field, like 'being a leader', because men are better suited for it, so it suits and fits men.

There's also the fact that women have multiple advantages socially, sexually, and in the field of mating and attraction, and men have -nothing-. Therefore, if men could at least have something, some kind of power, it would only be fair, it would only be equalizing the situation.

Women's social-sexual power has gotten out of hand, I think it's TIME for ACTUAL EQUALITY.

Why can't women be women, good at what women are naturally good at, and men be men, good at what men are naturally good at, and then there could be humans, without clear or obvious sexual or genderial discernment or identification, that use both energies in equality; we all have masculine and feminine energy in us, we are also all basically genderless human beings that are capable of expressing and living in (or as) either gender (the temporary body type changes, we remain).

We are, however, always more than any bodily definition, including gender - humanity, the self, the soul is always more important.

Why couldn't these agenda-ridden TV shows reflect that for once?

[–] MickyMac (3254) 3 years ago

Obviously the writers didn't intend the show to go through any major changes or any arcs, it's the most static of all Trek shows.